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Austrian A321 Overtaking Fokker 70?

Sun Apr 18, 2004 9:55 pm

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Just came across this photo and had to see what your thoughts are on what the pilot of the Austrian A321 is trying to do? Confused
The photographer's stated that the Fokker 70 stopped on its way to runway 11 and the company A321 crew thought this was the "autobahn" and tried to pass the F70 which didn't work! Wow!


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RE: Austrian A321 Overtaking Fokker 70?

Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:12 pm

It depends, did the F70 stop because of a failure or was it holding? If it was a failure, I understand the pilot trying to get around, but he risked damaging both aircraft, and hurthing the passengers, and it is something wrong and unacceptable. If it was holding, then he shouldn't have even thought of doing such a thing.
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RE: Austrian A321 Overtaking Fokker 70?

Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:20 pm

Based on the comments the photographer stated the F70 suddenly stopped & the A321 tried to overtake BUT failed!  Wow!
Irresponsible if you ask me!  Sad
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RE: Austrian A321 Overtaking Fokker 70?

Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:24 pm

The comment appears to have been meant as a joke by the photographer.

No aircraft would depart the taxiway centreline to overtake another on the taxiway without ATC permission and checking wingtip clearence.

Given the angle of the photograph it is impossible to say how close they were - probably not that close at all. It is common for one aircraft to taxy right to the end off the taxiway for a full length departure while the following aircraft will enter the runway at an intersection and depart before the aircraft it initially followed down the taxiway.

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RE: Austrian A321 Overtaking Fokker 70?

Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:28 pm

I hope your right Crosswind!
I wouldn't want to be in the aircraft if the pilot is going to be impatient!

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RE: Austrian A321 Overtaking Fokker 70?

Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:41 pm

Its not like there is room on the taxiway to overtake, I doubt any pilot will just take his aircraft across the grass just to get ahead.
 
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RE: Austrian A321 Overtaking Fokker 70?

Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:52 pm

Have a look at this photo of Vienna in fullsize.

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Should become obvious what was going on with the aircraft taxying towards the camera. Just as I described in my post above.

The taxiway layout (common at many airports) has been designed to allow exactly what the A321 did - get to the runway to takoff before the one ahead.

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RE: Austrian A321 Overtaking Fokker 70?

Mon Apr 19, 2004 1:19 am

Maybe Slot time restrictions.......
 
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RE: Austrian A321 Overtaking Fokker 70?

Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:03 am

Crosswind
Have a look at this photo of Vienna in fullsize.


That photo clears it up! Big grin



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RE: Austrian A321 Overtaking Fokker 70?

Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:10 am

What struck me, when I first looked at this pic, was the fact that the Airbus's nosewheel isn't turned at all. I assumed, without a picture of VIE, that the Airbus was turning off, which looks to be the case, but it seems like the popular way to turn an aircraft is to taxi the nose past where you are going and then crank it through so that the aircraft goes from lined up on one twy. to lined up on another as quickly as possible. That's clearly not what is going on if the aircraft is going straight at this point in the turn.

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RE: Austrian A321 Overtaking Fokker 70?

Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:16 pm

The wonders of a long telephoto lens... Look at the discontinuity in the yellow stripes at the left side of the taxiway, which shows that we're not seeing a fair bit of runway due to a rise. Note the third airliner (F70?) that looks like it is crowding the 320 the way the 320 appears to crowd the front F70.

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