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Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Tue May 04, 2004 12:35 pm

I notice that there seems to be multiple ways of placing overhead bins on the Lockhhed Tristar jets.

Like, sometimes I see them with no overhead bins in the middle like on this Delta aircraft.
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Yet, on others there are bins located in the middle, like on this Delta craft.
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What is the reason for this variation? One would think it would be more spacious, but dosen't this just lessen space for carry ons?
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Tue May 04, 2004 12:37 pm

Maybe they forgot to install them and hoped the airlines wouldn't notice.
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Tue May 04, 2004 12:38 pm

They were different aircraft types, you have a Tristar 1 and a Tristar 250, perhaps that explains it.
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Tue May 04, 2004 12:53 pm

Overhead bins would be an option left up to the aircraft buyer, just as any other aspect of the interior is.

Delta had many second hand L1011's. Just by looking at the seats as, an indicator, this may be the case here.


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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Tue May 04, 2004 1:03 pm

The Delta L1011-500's (I think all of them) had the overhead bins over the middle section of seats. Many L1011-1's did not.


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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Tue May 04, 2004 9:27 pm

::::sigh:::: gotta love that open airy feeling with no over head bins..... Big grin

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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Tue May 04, 2004 9:33 pm

That's what makes one love that plane. It's like a cavern!

I remember seeing an ad for the L10's in a "Life" magazine in about 1969, that showed a group of FA's all placed thru the cabin of one. The thing looked huge. But then, again, I was just eight at the time!

I STILL thought it was big, the LAST time I flew one, and I was nearly 40! (And giggled LIKE an eight year old, the whole trip, being in my favorite plane!)
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Tue May 04, 2004 9:38 pm

The L1011 is a true wide body. It has virtually the same fuselage width as the 747 if I'm not mistaken. It was not uncommon to see 3x4x3 seating configurations on the L1011 in charter operations. There will never be another aircraft like the L1011. Along with the 727, those two were without question the most beautiful aircraft ever built. I recall my first L10 flight in 1988 on Delta from ATL to MCO. It was my first flight on a widebody and, after just deplaning from a 727, the difference was incredible! It totally blew me away (and my family for that matter).


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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Tue May 04, 2004 10:29 pm

The Tristar had the same cabin width as the DC-10. Carry-ons weren't that big a deal when the plane entered service in the early 70s and the side bins and closets were deemed sufficient. Later models had center bins and some airlines, including Delta, retrofitted the cabins. Eastern never did.
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Tue May 04, 2004 11:02 pm

The L1011 was a great aircraft and all my trips on BA's L1011-200s were fantastic. They all had bins in the centre section but as has been pointed out some original L1011-1s didn't have them installed initially.

Cathay Pacific Tristars were similar in that configuration (they were however fitted on subsequent later series 200 models).

btw - I think BA's L1011 service to Kuala Lumpur must have been one of the longest (distance) ever operated by the 200 series... can anyone think of longer routes operated by the Tristar...
 
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Tue May 04, 2004 11:03 pm

The original L-1011s also had small, square-shaped overhead bins. They did not hold much more than a medium-sized bag. Delta at some point (in the late 1980s I think) got some L-1011s that featured the longer bins that accomodated bigger and longer items. Those bins can be seen in the picture previously posted. While they could hold much more, they definitely took away from the "look" of the L-1011 cabin and seemed out of place.
 
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Tue May 04, 2004 11:04 pm

Oh - btw - BA operated with a 3-4-3 configuration and it wasn't a charter service! They however had a few rows in the front of the Economy cabin that had their SuperClub Convertor seats where one could 'convert' if there was a spare seat...
 
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Wed May 05, 2004 5:00 am

When DL took delivery of the first L1011´s in 1973 (which were of course all series 1) they got the standard, without center bins cabin layout, as all other carriers did also.
This layout also featured the above mentioned small, square-shaped overhead bins, which were typical TriStar and made it look so special.
(With them installed someone could tell at the very first glimpse it was a TriStar)!!!

Also mentioned above, they got some second hand TriStars.

In 1979 however, DL took delivery of the first L1011-500 series, the shortened fuselage longhaul version of the TriStar.
At that point Lockheed already offered the center bins on the L1011 as an option left up to the airlines.
DL´s original 5 factory-delivered L1011-500 were all equipped with the center bins, as were all PA´s 500 from where DL´s second hand L1011-500 came in the mid 80´s (after very shortly flying for UA)!
Also at this point in the mid 80´s DL started to convert 7 of its L1011-1 into L1011-250 longhaul series to acompany the 500 on international flights, as DL dramatically expanded its international route network!
These L1011-250 were also refitted with the center bins.

Then later, as carry-on items got bigger and the first (today so famous) carry-on trolleys came into fashion, most (if not all???) of DL´s L1011´s were refitted with the bigger and longer side bins.
Also DL´s L1011-500 and 250 flying international were later all retrofitted to 90´s standard cabins. Just by the look you definetley couldn´t tell that you were on an up to 20+ year old aircraft. They looked brand-new, while the L1011-1´s flying domestically except for the bins and seat covers still had their originally 70´s interior with the brown and orange bulkheads and panels etc.

The first picture shown above is that of an L1011-1, the second that of an L1011-250 with retrofitted international style cabin.

Hope this helps.

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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Wed May 05, 2004 11:33 am

Delta had some ex EA L-1011's with the small overhead bins into the mid 90's. The strangest thing about these bins is that there was a shelf, just for a the blankets, and as such, made the bins useless for anything except small attache cases.
 
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Wed May 05, 2004 11:38 am

TZ's L-1011-100 do not have the middle section of overhead bins and the -500s do. The bins are tiny on the -100. The galley is downstairs on the -100. We have 3-4-3 seating through most of the cabin and the aisles are still wide.

I like the lower galley. The -500 are so much more nice as they are 10 years younger. Unfortunately, N188AT will be retired this year and N194AT will be retired next year. Both are -100s. We will have the 4 L1011-500s through 2006 unless something changes.

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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Wed May 05, 2004 12:25 pm

Why are there only four seats across in the middle section in that second picture?
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Wed May 05, 2004 12:31 pm

L1011lover: You are right on the money on that one. I was with DL during the conversion and they were all retrofitted. It's like an old friend and I miss it. My last DL L10 flight was in Feb 01 ATL-SJU.  Smile
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Wed May 05, 2004 12:44 pm

Actually ChiGB173 N194AT is a very late build L-1011-100 and is newer than most if not all of the remaining -500's, it was built in Aug. 1982 and was with TWA.
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Wed May 05, 2004 1:15 pm

ACAFan:

Look at the picture again. There are five seats. The last one is a dark blue and does not show up well in the lighting. The seats are:

1 Blue
3 Grey
1 Blue

In that order. Enlarge the picture and you will see what I mean.

When the first L-1011's came off the assembly line they had 2-4-2 seating.
One of the airline selling points to the public was that on the L-1011 "You are never more than one seat away from an aisle!" Incidentally, between the 4 seats in the middle of the a/c there used to be a divider, EA had it set up as a planter with plants in the top of it! So it really looked like a 2-2/2-2 arrangement. It didn't take the airlines long to figure out that you could remove this and put in another seat!
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Wed May 05, 2004 6:20 pm

Does anyone have a picture of the original configuration with the dividers between the seats? ( I would love to see a pic of the planters, that is really cool). I believe the dividers also opened to contain some sort of coat rack....
 
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Thu May 06, 2004 2:24 am

Here you will find the original-dividers: (GO ON LARGE!)


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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Thu May 06, 2004 5:02 am

What type of overhead bins are in this picture? They look higher.
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Thu May 06, 2004 5:06 am

WHAT INTRIGUED ME THE MOST ABOUT THE L1011' S WAS THE ROLL UP CABIN DOORS; THE CLOSETS IN THE CABIN THAT ROLLED UP INTO THE FUSELAGE AND THE SUPER WIDE BODY FEELING OF SITTING IN ONE OF THESES.
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Thu May 06, 2004 8:53 am

The L1011's without centre overhead bins were the ones that were delivered in the original 2-4-2 economy layout. Between the pairs of two economy seats in the middle was a small closet large enough for a garment bag or two, and could be accessed by the seats behind.

In the late 70s when the layout was changed to 2-5-2, the centre closet was lost. Those aircraft delivered after the change to 2-5-2, like the -250 and the -500, would have been fitted with overhead bins at the factory.
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Thu May 06, 2004 9:45 am

The center bins were a customer option. TWA took delivery of some of the last L-1011's which did not have them.
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Thu May 06, 2004 9:53 am

Does anyone have a picture of the roll up closets that PBOGDOS is talking about? If not, could someone please describe it more. I've never heard of such a thing.

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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Thu May 06, 2004 12:10 pm

Is it the same as the closets on the 767? (early models) I was examined one on a twa flight..it looks like a regular closet except the doors pull upward, and when the door goes up, the rack that the coat hangers are come down. When the closet door is closed the rack retracts into the celing- its supposed to save room because the lower half of the close it used by cabinets on the other side of the closet. (I hope that explaination makes sense, its not as complicated as it sounds)
 
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Thu May 06, 2004 12:32 pm

Was Eastern the first airline to reconfigure their L1011s to include an extra seat (2-4-2 to 2-5-2)?

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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Fri May 07, 2004 6:41 am

when the extra seat was added...did it fit well, or did it cause the outside seats to extend into the aisles. The aisles must have been really wide when it was 2-4-2...
 
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Fri May 07, 2004 7:04 am

That picture of the orange L10 interior above is one of PSAs very unique L10s. They had a lower lounge, 2-4-2 seating and no overhead bins. PSA had the bright idea to fly these widebodies WITHIN California! Gotta love early 70s thinking...

After the fuel crunch these were parked in the desert for years and later leased to second tier airlines like AeroPeru.
 
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Sun May 09, 2004 3:44 am

When i flew on a CKT Tristar in 1999, it had the long bins on either side and none down the centerline, looked very roomy and also had plenty of room for all our carry ons, which with at least one bag per pax and a full load of 393, was pretty good going! With reference to the EA interiors with partitions, I always wondered what they were, how on earth did they have plants on them in flight?Did anybody ever fly on one of those " green fingered birds"?If you look at the pics of EA A300B4 interiors on here, you will see that there are no center bins on there either,and there is also a strange looking "unit" by what looks like R3 door.Can anybody clarify as to what that thing was?
 
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Sun May 09, 2004 4:27 am

To IslandHopperCO-

PSA idea to fly the Tristar within California,wasn't a bad idea at the time.
I might have consider it.I even thought 747SR's at the time.And if
didn't work,maybe Hawaii with the planes.
Afterall,Japan flys 747sr's within Japan.


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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Sun May 09, 2004 6:06 am

I recently came across this photo of a Pan Am L1011-500 with a 3-4-3 configuration and was wondering if any other airlines configured their L10s similarly.


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Did United and then Delta retain the 10 abreast configuration when they flew the former Pan Am models?

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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Sun May 09, 2004 10:12 am

Caledonian had a 3-4-3 config in their Tristars. It was 2-3-2 at the front though due to the width of the cabin then after about 3/4 rows, the 3-4-3 took over. Carried 393 in max config on those birds in all J class. Too bad they disappeared. Was the best charter carrier in the Uk I thought. Excellent service, immacualte crew,spotless interiors and gleaming exterior. Never saw a poorly turned out a/c, even on 25 yr old planes,they still seemed almost brand new. They went way downhill when they were sold to Inspirations, especially the Tristars, poorly maintained and shabby.
 
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Sun May 09, 2004 10:21 am

Great pics. The center overhead bins were of course a customer option. Alot of the original promo pics and early customers opted for that 2-4-2 config with the central divider that had some stowage space inside. I flew on a DL L1011-1 with in the last 5 years that had the 2-5-2, but had no central overhead bins, it was great, made for a very airy wide-body feel when you didn't have a bin over your head. Everyone just used the outside overheads or the floor under the seat infront, all the rest of the flights i was on had the central overhead.
 
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Sun May 09, 2004 10:54 am

Thanks for the info Ck!

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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Sun May 09, 2004 12:32 pm

Did United and then Delta retain the 10 abreast configuration when they flew the former Pan Am models?

Yes, the PA/UA/DL ships flew for DL in a 10 abreast config. while they were flying the Pacific routes. When enough MD-11's came on line for Pacific ops, the planes were converted to 9 across.
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Sun May 09, 2004 12:45 pm

The picture of the former PSA, then AeroPeru L-1011 doesn't have the same kind of center divider that EA had. The one EA had was more like a mini-wall. You couldn't see the pax on the other side of it and it was white in color,and now that I have had my memory jogged a little bit, I think that they did have some kind of storage space within. It was more of what you now see in first on international wide bodies.
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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Sun May 09, 2004 1:22 pm

Thanks for the info DL_Mech!

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RE: Lockheed Tristar Interiors?

Mon May 10, 2004 10:21 am

I seem to remember seeing a pic of the PSA interiors in a book and the seats were in a kind of pink floral scheme, however, there were no "normal" seats in the pic, they resembled a crewseat (ie the type seen on a 737/757) and had a kind of mahogany "coffee table" between the seats.Seemed very similar to the HS Trident i the 1970's/80's with face each other seating. Very high seatbacks and a 2-2-2 layout in J. Was that just for the inter-cal routes??

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