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CV990
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PAN Am DC-7B Operation.

Tue May 11, 2004 5:05 am


Hi!

Most of us remember PAN AM flying the Douglas DC-7C Seven Seas around the world during the late 50's and early 60's, but PAN AM also operated a few DC-7B's. I only saw one black and white photo of one of them in an old Air Enthusiast magazine that I still have. Can anyone give some details about the B model with PAN AM? Did they flew it domestic only or they used overseas too. I also know that PANAGRA used the DC-7B, were they ex: PAN AM ones?
I wait your feedback, specially our old fellows!
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RE: PAN Am DC-7B Operation.

Tue May 11, 2004 5:31 am

I don't know if it will help, or if you already know of their site but take a look at www.panamair.org. Pan Am's history, etc. also some about Panagra there.
 
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RE: PAN Am DC-7B Operation.

Tue May 11, 2004 7:01 am

I have a December 1955, OAG.
PanAm was operating the DC-7B at that time over the following routes:

IDL-ORY; PHL-IDL-SNN-ORY-ROM-BEY-DAM-THR; IDL-ORY-IST-ANK; IDL-LHR

 
timz
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-7B Vs -7C

Tue May 11, 2004 9:13 am

PA's DC-7Bs arrived in summer 1955 and went on the transatlantic routes, but when the DC-7Cs arrived in summer 1956 most? or all? the -7Bs started flying to South America. They never flew within the US.

Don't think PA ever flew DC-7Cs around the world-- across the Atlantic, across the Pacific, but not between.
 
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RE: PAN Am DC-7B Operation.

Tue May 11, 2004 10:33 am

Eastern flew their DC-7Bs on short to medium range legs. I didn't know Pan Am's had transatlantic range. I loved flying on the DC-7B.

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RE: PAN Am DC-7B Operation.

Tue May 11, 2004 12:03 pm

The DC-7 did not have the range to compete with the L1049C Constellation. The DC-7B was developed to keep pace with the Connie. It was pretty much like the Standard DC-7 except for an optional slightly higher maximum take off weight and an inproved flap operating system The biggest difference is that it could carry an additional 968 gallons of fuel in enlarged engine nacelle saddle tanks. Even then most east-west Atlantic crossings required a fuel stop. The first service by Pan Am was IDL-LHR on September 13, 1955. These were replaced on transatlantic service by the DC-7C which had greater range. The first Pan Am DC-7C service was June 1, 1956.
 
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-7B Vs -7C

Tue May 11, 2004 12:13 pm

FWIW, not all DC-7Bs had the saddle tanks. Far as I know PA and South African DC-7Bs had them, but no others.
 
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RE: PAN Am DC-7B Operation.

Tue May 11, 2004 5:58 pm


Hi!

Thanks for the great feedback you gave me. I checked out yesterday the DC-7 Production List and noted that the PANAGRA DC-7B's were not ex: PAN AM. The PAN AM ones were new, from N771PA until N776PA and they all stayed for a while with this airline. The DC-7C's started with N730PA. It would be interesting to know why PAN AM decided to order the DC-7B when the DC-7C was already in the corner, maybe a need to start some routes right away with this class of airplane?
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RE: PAN Am DC-7B Operation.

Tue May 11, 2004 8:44 pm

An interesting side note to this thread is that Northwest operated both the DC-7C and the DC-7CF. Obviously, these were operated trans-Pacific.

DC-7C

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CV990
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RE: PAN Am DC-7B Operation.

Tue May 11, 2004 11:58 pm


Hi!

Yes, NW used their DC-7C/CF's in their Far East routes. I always found interesting to see them opting for Douglas airliners when they opted to fly those routes before with the Lockheed L1049G.
Anyway those pics above shown are excelent!
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