Osubuckeyes
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HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 7:49 am

Hp is retiring their 43 or so 737s what do you guys think they will replace them with? And is hp retiring their 757s? If so why are they really that old? Do you think that hp will buy and widebodies in the near future? Just curious to what you think
 
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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 7:56 am

I believe that HP is slowly replacing the 733s with A319s. As for the 757s I am assuming that it's possible that they'll order the A321 at some point in the not too distant future.
 
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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 7:58 am

And is hp retiring their 757s?

IIRC, they renewed the leases on their B757 last year... there's no other aircraft status quo the size of the B757 that could do the excellent "job" it does in hot/high conditions year-round...

They're retiring their B732, not their B733... I've heard that the gates at PHX would have to be redesigned to accomodate an all-Airbus fleet due to whatever (width/wingspan/whatever) but that could be (and probably is) a rumor. Nonetheless, considering HP has orders for A318/A319/A320 aircraft (and was about to place a large order for A32S aircraft on 9-11-01), they're probably destined for an all-A32S fleet...
 
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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 8:08 am

Re the 757s, the leases were renewed and will be in the fleet for the forseeable future, the 757 is an ideal aircraft for America West which operates out of VERY hot and dry PHX and LAS - the 757 has no problem with the east coast routes out of these airports regardless of the weather conditions. The A321 could not handle these segments without some penalities and restrictions (sometimes very significant, US has had some problems with its A321s operating out of PHX), to my knowledge, America West has never seriously considered replacing the 757s with A321s. There was a rumor that America West was looking at leasing newer 752s to replace some of their fleet (6 are ex-Republic/NW and there may be a couple of ex-EA examples as well - these are early build aircraft) but nothing seems to have come of that rumor.

The 733s are also not going anywhere, as mentioned, the 732s are in the process of being retired, but it seems that America West has been saying this for a long time and their handful of 732s somehow keep remaining in the fleet.

Will America West go all Airbus - hard to say, there was a rumor that the current management was seriously looking at the 737NG series and considering an order. Time will tell.

By the way, does America West still have the A318 on order? Or, was that order converted to A319s?
 
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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 8:12 am

I don't see widebodies in the HP fleet at all in hte near future. But who knows? What are the highest density routes? Are there enough of them to support a fleet of small wide-bodies?
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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 8:18 am

No, they don't need use them with widebodies into the future.
 
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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 8:19 am

No, they don't need use them with widebodies into the future.

So you're implying HP won't need their B757 in the future, because they'll have A330 and hence an all-Airbus fleet?
 
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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 8:19 am

You would have to imagine the HP would have a bunch of routes that a smaller wide body A/C fleet (i.e. 762/763) would not only help consolidate multi-departure frequencies (PHX-LAS & PHX-LAX for example) but they could also be used on their new transcon routes. I don't know what their transcon load factors are right now, but they are bound to go up and be in high demand in the not to distant future. BTW, how do the 762/763 handle high and hot T/O's relative to the 752?
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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 8:23 am

The 732 is a tuff little plane and is hard to replace...they're fully depreciated and not particular maintenance headaches and can easily absorb 60-70k cycles (and since HP was put on the FAA's shitlist for maint shortcomings, their craft are closely monitored) so, like WN and DL, are probably in no hurry to peddle or park them. The 733's will stay many moons yet, too.
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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 8:31 am

Yes the A318 orders were converted to A319. And i always thought they were retiring the -300s as each of the leases were up. I also heard that the -200s would be gone by the beginning of 2005.
 
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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 8:38 am

Yes the A318 orders were converted to A319

Nope. HP still has an order for 15.
 
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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 8:44 am

IndustrialPlate is right. As a frequent flyer of HP because I live in PHX they did not defer their order from A318 to 19's. It looks like HP will be replacing though its 737's maybe in 2005 and use the new 318's instead.


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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 9:10 am

ah thank you my mistake. I have another question. Will hp be codesharing to Australia with HA
 
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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 9:16 am

the 737-200's will be gone by the end of the year. the 757's are staying for the near future. they don't really have any plans on the 300's right now, some of them they renewed the leases and some they are returning to the owners.
 
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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 9:31 am

IndustrialPate,

Are you sure about HP want to get new A330 in the future? If they want flying from PHX or LAS to HNL and which one is competition of Hawaiian Air. I will think about of them and HP will make decide to orders with new widebodies of A330.

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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 10:58 am

and since HP was put on the FAA's shitlist for maint shortcomings, their craft are closely monitored

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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 11:42 am

First, HP is no longer in the FAA "shitlist". In fact, the FAA has praised HP maintenance for their good work.

The 737-200 fleet should be retired by January. The 300s are being refurbished.

The A318 are not being taken up, they have or will be switched to A320 and A319s.

There will be an announcement for a major order eventually and Airbus is NOT the sure thing. Boeing still has a good chance.

I have heard from several pilots of a 757 order that will be announced soon.
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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 12:09 pm

So you're implying HP won't need their B757 in the future, because they'll have A330 and hence an all-Airbus fleet?

No, he implied the other way.  Laugh out loud

The A318 are not being taken up, they have or will be switched to A320 and A319s.

Perhaps they will be, but they have not been to this point.

I have heard from several pilots of a 757 order that will be announced soon.

I think this is PERFECT for HP. They operate out of two of the highest density altitude airports in the US. They can combat congestion by increased frequencies with 757s and free up 320s and 319s for less crowded routes - more frequency attracts passengers vs. larger planes.

I bet they snap up ex-National frames. They were VERY low cycle and VERY well looked after, and have the appropriate engine compatibility.

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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 12:13 pm

As of now, I haven't heard anything about HP codesharing with HA to SYD. With the current flight times, there isn't connectivity with the PHX flight.
 
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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 1:54 pm

On the 752s currently in service:

The 752s were or are being re-signed (or lease extended) thru 2008. So they will be flying for a quite awhile. There is no need to phase them out at this point. They are doing excellent service for HP.

On the Airbus fleet:

By the way, does America West still have the A318 on order? Or, was that order converted to A319s?

The A318 orders ARE....I repeat....ARE...already converted into A319 orders. My source: I worked for HP last year and this is exactly what they told us in those town meetings for employees only. So the A318 is NOT going to be in the HP picture. This is why HP took out the A318 info/stats out of the inflight magazine. AND....I still have close contact with my former co-workers and the workgroup on a daily basis. Also, the orders information on Airbus website probably hasn't been updated yet. Soooo...Nuff said....

Will hp be codesharing to Australia with HA

HP currently does codeshare with HA. HP agents work the HA flights wearing the HA uniforms. A friend of mine that works BSO at T4 in PHX helps out with those flights. HA flies out of T4 in PHX.

On the 737 fleet:

The 737-200 will be phased out by Jan 2005. The current 733s are here to stay unless (CEO) Parker says otherwise, but I dont think the 733s will be gone anytime soon.

Someone stated about HP seriously looking into the 737NG family. I hadnt heard anything as of yet about that. Althought it would look nice in HP colors, dont anticipate HP getting any or ordering any quite soon.
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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 2:37 pm

Prinair:

"I have heard from several pilots of a 757 order that will be announced soon."

How could HP order 757's? The 757 family is being discontinued.........So unless you know something we don't, there's no way HP could order 757's.....
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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 3:04 pm

The A318 orders ARE....I repeat....ARE...already converted into A319 orders. My source: I worked for HP last year...

There's nothing official. If a 16-year-old worked the McDonald's drive-through last year, would he know which products McDonald's is going to launch in the future (before investors / general public does)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy. So why do the rampers on a.net insist they know all their company's proprietary secrets?
 
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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 3:15 pm

The 318's were not cancelled. I just received my stockholder report and they are listed as planes on order. They probably are considering changing them to another aircraft, but it has not been officially announced yet.

The B732's will be retired by years end, replaced with a mix of A319's and A320's.

I would love to see more 757's. I think we could really use more as they are very beneficial to our network. The 321 would be similar in size, but not performance.

I'm not sure about having a codeshare with HA on the SYD route. I know for a fact that we are starting a codeshare with QF. I just went to a training class in PHX and QF was listed as one of our new codeshare partners. Apparently there will more international codeshares to come with other carriers.

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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 3:23 pm

There's nothing official. If a 16-year-old worked the McDonald's drive-through last year, would he know which products McDonald's is going to launch in the future (before investors / general public does) . So why do the rampers on a.net insist they know all their company's proprietary secrets?

Pate, I wasnt a ramper, but nice try.....I was in HP Corporate Security. Big difference there.....
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RE: HP's Fleet

Sun May 16, 2004 3:45 pm

If HP did get more 757s would they be able to start routes that only use the 757? Because I heard that they couldnt have 757 only routes and they had to be rotated in or it wouldnt be acceptable to the lease. And how many would they get? If the A318s were changed would they get 18 A319/A320 mix or would they get the value of what they payed in the A319/A320? Thanks for all the input
 
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RE: HP's Fleet

Mon May 17, 2004 4:24 am

when I flew HPs 757s they seemed very old...They need thier CRT screens in the cabin's replaced badly, IN addition it was a nice aircraft I must say. ALso, kind of out of the topic here but maybe someone could clairify this. I remember flying HP 757s with coach seats forward of the 2R and 2L doors, which isn't common to a lot of US carriers...Does increase seating...which is good for HP, but Im just interested to know if I'm just imagining this!
 
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RE: HP's Fleet

Mon May 17, 2004 4:29 am

any chance HP could go after some of AA's TWA 75's? Those were pretty new, correct?

Are HP's 75's RR powered, or PW?

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RE: HP's Fleet

Mon May 17, 2004 4:45 am

From what I heard i dont think that they well pick up the ex TWA because appearantly the lease rates are high or something along those lines. I dont know if thats right but whatever.
 
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RE: HP's Fleet

Mon May 17, 2004 5:10 am

that may be true, but if the lease rates are high, at some point the leasing company is going to have to re-negotiate or be stuck with a bunch of parking tickets from the desert. Right?

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RE: HP's Fleet

Mon May 17, 2004 5:25 am

The ex-TWA 75's won't happen for HP. TWA was big on P&W, HP's 757's are RB.211-powered (ex. Republic and Eastern machines).
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RE: HP's Fleet

Mon May 17, 2004 5:29 am

It is official that CEO Doug Parker does NOT want the A318 in the America West fleet....he personally said so. However, what is not official, is the order conversion to A319/A320 at this time. Maybe this will clarify things for the HP A318 primadonnas that keep arguing with eachother.

As far as 757s, expect ex-National birds to be likely candidates. They are RR-powered and far newer which will improve their reliability ratings. Nothing is official yet on those.
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RE: HP's Fleet

Mon May 17, 2004 4:42 pm

as an america west elite and holder, i was informed that america west has cancelled their A318 order. they were not happy with the specs on the A318, and were not convinced the A318 could fly full loads cross country as the other airbus a/c could. those options were converted to i believe A319. parker was/is big on this, he is not a fan of the A318.
 
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RE: HP's Fleet

Tue May 18, 2004 1:44 am

I'm going to a meeting with our COO in the next week or so, I'll make sure to ask him about the 318's....see what he has to say.
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RE: HP's Fleet

Tue May 18, 2004 1:55 am

Flyboyaz,
If you get the chance, ask Jeff what steps he's taking to bring HP out of the pre-9/11 type operation. Mainline operations have gone down the toilet the past couple months.
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RE: HP's Fleet

Tue May 18, 2004 2:03 am

Will do JMC...I thought I had heard that they were increasing ground times to allow for more MX checks. I think a lot of the problems too were crew issues that were getting resolved rather quickly. Most every flight I encountered that was cancelled, was related to crew. The main topic of the meeting is RJ's and TUS, but I'll sneak in a few other questions..hehe.
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RE: HP's Fleet

Tue May 18, 2004 10:20 am

TUS gets canceled a lot... Is it because they just use TUS planes to fill gapes thorughtout the system since its just a short drive down 10?
 
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RE: HP's Fleet

Tue May 18, 2004 10:25 am

as an america west elite and holder, i was informed that america west has cancelled their A318 order.

Um, by who?

I'm an elite flyer on several airlines, and a stockholder in several, and none of them apprise me of these details in advance of them actually happening.

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RE: HP's Fleet

Tue May 18, 2004 10:56 am

I have a mechanic friend who has been at HP since 86(or is it 85). He told me that the A318's isn't dead yet but should be soon. The reason is the RJ 900. It carries the same(one class) as the A318 with two classes. He also told me that HP was close to adding "a couple more five-sevens before the year is out". No doubt used birds from he guesses National but admits does not YET know where they are coming from.
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RE: HP's Fleet

Wed May 19, 2004 7:16 am

It is official that CEO Doug Parker does NOT want the A318 in the America West fleet....he personally said so. However, what is not official, is the order conversion to A319/A320 at this time. Maybe this will clarify things for the HP A318 primadonnas that keep arguing with eachother.

This is what Ive been saying..... I stand by my post in #19. The A318 is NOT going to happen. Sorry, folks! Parker ain't interested!

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flyboyaz
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RE: HP's Fleet

Wed May 19, 2004 10:53 am

The CRJ 900 is not the same size as the 318. The CR9 carries 86 pax in a one class config. The 318 in two classes was to be config in 110 total pax...12F 98Y.

There is a need for a plane in between the CR9 and 319. Something right around 100 pax would fit nicely. In TUS we have most of our flights as the CR9's and they are still full and on Sunday were ALL overbooked. We took almost 50 volunteers on Sunday...that's an incredible amount. We still need bigger planes in TUS.
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RE: HP's Fleet

Wed May 19, 2004 11:21 am

How many orders do the world airlines have for the CR9 and/or EM-190/195 vs the Boeing 737-600 or the A318? See my point. The bigger RJ is king here and that's not going to change. Price, performance, bang-for-your-buck, the carriers have spoken...and made the correct decision as far as $$$$$$ is concerned, both in spending and return for investment. Bombardier has a bigger RJ on the drawing board now( to compete with EM-190/195) but its 6 years away from being in service with anyone.
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Osubuckeyes
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RE: HP's Fleet

Wed May 19, 2004 11:44 am

there may be a demand for an aircaft that big but the cost would be more and it would lead to low yields they should jus add another CR9 flight to TUS or replace one or two of the flights with 319/320.
 
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RE: HP's Fleet

Thu May 20, 2004 12:20 am

Very true.....the CR9 fits very well in TUS (as much as I hate to admit it) but certain flights need mainline service. Our dual departures at 7am for example are always full...when we had 1 mainline at that time, I never saw it less than 2/3 full. Turned out it was our most profitable flight...no suprise there.
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RE: HP's Fleet

Fri May 21, 2004 3:57 am

Well, if HP is looking for a good 100 seater and the A318 is not happening there is always 717!  Big grin  Big grin

Seriously, I hope HP does either get more 757s or order 7E7SR or something to get more larger aircraft into their fleet. They probably could start the new transcons with either a used 763 or A310/A300 and fill it up full and have the prestigue of flying widebodies again. It will be interesting to see.

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