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Hannigan
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Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 6:43 pm

Book now!

http://www.flyi.com/
We got planes! We got gates! What the hell!
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 6:59 pm

Looks like opening cities are as follows:
Jun 16- IAD, EWR, ORD, RDU, BOS, ATL
Jun 23- HPN, PWM, ORF, CAE
Jul 01- SYR, BNA, JAX
Jul 17- LAN, BTV, CHS, BUF, ROC, GSP
Jul23- TYS, CRW, MHT, ALB
Aug 01- SAV, GSO, CLE, JFK
Aug 15- CMH, DAY, IND, BDL
Aug 23- PIT, PVD, DTW, SDF
Sep 01- SWF
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 7:22 pm

Excellent! I love the look of the site.


The flight booking page is pretty much identical to Jetblue, which is sort of a minus, it'd be nice to see the AC type next to each flight but not a huge issue.

Fares...reasonable.


Destinations, click here!

http://www.flyi.com/too-destinations.htm


Very excited. Can't wait for these guys to move west.
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 7:27 pm

this guy looks scary!!



anyone have info on the equipment?
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 7:32 pm

This looks shifty to me.
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Hannigan
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 7:36 pm

Unattendedbag, what kind of equipment? Aircraft?

87 i-JET CRJ-200's
27 Airbus 319/320 on order, due Nov04

1-800-FLY-FLYi
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 7:44 pm

I like the website.. looks tres cool.. and very contempo... Good job I-Air (or whatever the hell they are going to call themselves). Glad to see that RDU is in the number 1 group.. wo-hooo!
Aiming High and going far..
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 7:46 pm

$25 first flight discount when you join their FFP..

I wish these guys luck... they are starting (relaunching) at a tough time in the industry.
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 7:52 pm

you know.. as a good promo.. they should have one of their re-painted jets at each of the initial airports (or one at each airport) to show thier destinations.. see an i-jet at BOS.. and i-jet at ATL... an i-jet at RDU.. an i-jet at ORF..etc.. now THAT would be tres cool!
Aiming High and going far..
 
Hannigan
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 7:54 pm

ERJ170

There will be a news conference at EACH of the destinations BEFORE their respective start dates to get everyone ready. Expect the i-JET, a few jetTRUCKS, and a whole heap of freebies at each of the outstations.  Big grin

Chris
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 7:57 pm

Have you seen the schedules? Hourly IAD-ATL, EWR, JFK, BOS and near hourly IAD-ORD.

What are their turn times going to be like? If an airport (like BNA for example) isn't delay prone could they be turning these CRJs in 20 minutes? Its what Id do.

Side Note surprises:PIT is also one of their first destinations probably not to the liking of US. Lansing with 7 daily flights, wouldn't of guessed that. But I guess they are counting on pulling from all the central Michigan cities that don't get low far service.
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 7:59 pm

Hmmm.. I need the time and date for RDU so I can get my free stuff.. and the good thing is.. it's $49 r/t from RDU.. every hour.. southwest only offers 6 flights.. and at least I can NEVER get the good fare... glad all of I-Air fares will be the same.. ohh.. and $89 r/t to PVD! HOT DOG!
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ERJ170
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 8:01 pm

Okay.. one last qeustion.. WHERE does I-Air plan to be located at PVD.. I thought it was full at the ticket counter locations?
Aiming High and going far..
 
unattendedbag
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 8:10 pm

I think this is bogus.
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Hannigan
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 8:18 pm

RDU Press Conf - 5/25

PVD - Located in the main terminal, location undetermined.
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potomac
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 8:54 pm

unattendedbag - whats bogus about this?
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 9:08 pm

The flight booking page is pretty much identical to Jetblue, which is sort of a minus, it'd be nice to see the AC type next to each flight but not a huge issue.

Correct. They are using Navitaire's OpenSkies reservation platform, further they are also using the SkyLights web app for reservations. This is the same system used by Virgin Blue, AirTran, JetBlue, etc. so you should see a common look and feel.

What are their turn times going to be like? If an airport (like BNA for example) isn't delay prone could they be turning these CRJs in 20 minutes? Its what Id do.

Looks like they are doing about a 30m turn.


IAD-BNA BNA-IAD TURN
RON 6:20a-9:02a
7:55a-8:50a 9:20a-12:02p 30m
11:20a-12:06p 12:45p-3:26p 39m
2:20p-3:12p 3:40p-6:23p 28m
4:45p-5:37p 6:05p-8:48p 28m
6:55p-7:47p 8:15p-10:56p 28m
9:40p-10:26p RON


 
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 9:11 pm

I need to get freebies, so whens the confrence in newark?
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 9:21 pm

7 Daily for LAN is huge. We lost Continental Express and US Airways express both in the past year. They are going to be starting w/ the capacity of United and Delta combined here in LAN....big balls! This is great for me as I have friends who live about 5 mins from Dulles (and I'm about 15 mins from LAN). Their prices for connecting service past dulles are very very good. I saw LAN - BOS $99 each way ...right now that is easly over $150 each way w/ anyone else,

-Mike
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 9:32 pm

20-30 min turns are entirely possible with a 50 seat CRJ.
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 9:37 pm

How does one find the schedule?
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 9:40 pm

So what is so Bogus about it? For months we have been hearing about the switch and just waiting for the list of inital cities. Atlantic Coast has been an airline flying for United for how long? I think at least ten years. This isn't some fifteen year old with a web site saying he is going to start service from BLV to everywhere in the world.

Will they make it two years? That is the question. I give them a better than average chance of making it to five years. JetBlue has opened the door. A lot of people are more receptive to a new airline than they were a few years ago.
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 9:41 pm

yes, i think that's where IAir is going to be successful...offering low-fare service on so many routes that arent currently low-fare. contrary to what many skeptics have said, i don't see this being a issue purely of CASM for RJs and overall competing against WN, B6, FL, etc.

it seems that the product IAir is providing is a low fare on routes such as PWM-SAV, ROC-CHS, or SYR-JAX and the like. small/medium market routes that to date can cost an arm and a leg to fly between. and IAir doesnt even need to always offer super-low fares on these routes - just lower than before to capture the market. additionally, the introduction of low fares between small/medium cities and larger cities - such as LAN-BOS - looks to be a good opportunity for them too.

we will see. UA has already dug their cleats pretty hard into the DC area turf and is ready to put up a fight.
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 9:41 pm

I'm curios about their connect offerings from SDF. Clearly with 6 flights a day from SDF they could offer connecting service between more city pairs.

Example: SDF-LAN & SDF-ATL

Are they trying to avoid competition with Delta by not offering such itineraries??  Confused
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 9:48 pm

I wish Independence Air all the luck, but I can't see LAN supporting 7 flights per day including weekends. Too many loyal NWA World Perks customers in Michigan. What Indy Air will do is force NWA to lower fares on some routes.

Yeah, okay I'm jealous GRR didn't get on the initial destination list...... Maybe round two.
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 10:02 pm

Yea! Yippee! GSP will have a LCC! Does anyone know ACA/Independence Air's 2-character code (such as DL, B6, etc.)?
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 10:07 pm

As a lawyer, I've got to love it.
It will be in Chapter 11 in about six months...if not sooner!
 
potomac
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 10:10 pm

greg - as a lawyer, you present a logical, fact-based case for your prediction. care to elaborate?
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 10:14 pm

" Does anyone know ACA/Independence Air's 2-character code (such as DL, B6, etc.)?"

Well ACA's is DH. I would imagine that would stay the same, but don't know for certain.
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 10:19 pm

couple of questions: Where at in IND will they be located, and why is Jacksonville the only florida city so far??
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 10:24 pm

No freebies in EWR. Sorry.
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 10:27 pm

I think united is going to loose a lot of my business out of LAN to FlyI. I originally started as a loyal Worldperks fan like everyone else in Michigan but was wooed by UA's IFE, Widebodies, and Channel 9. Until this year I had nothing but good things to say about them ...but the clusterf**k in ORD has changed all that. The last 4 times I have flown (all UA) I have been delayed hours, lost baggage, or both in ORD. Its not worth the extra money for cool aircraft if you are going to be put through 5hrs of hell in the non-airconditioned holding cell at the end of concourse F..... That said ... Fly I looks to be at least 50% cheeaper, has 2x the daily flights, and has selected a hub that isnt a complete disaster! I think I'm sold!!

-Mike

P.S. I still am a little skeptical. I'm going to book one future trip on Fly I and the rest still on United...and if that trip with Fly I goes well the rest will be history. They have promised a lot ...but can they execute??
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 10:45 pm

I am so happy that I can fly down to JAX to visit my sister this summer and fly out of HPN no less for $198 roundtrip. That is the best fare I've seen on that route in a long time, and to be able to go out of Westchester and not Laguardia is sooooooooooooo freakin awesome!!!!!!!!!!!

I might have to start planning more trips on them!
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 10:47 pm

Disregard on the "bogus" statement I made earlier. (for now at least)

I did not see the "operated by ACA" at the bottom of the webpage.

one skepticism:

"Get up-to-the-minute status of any Independence Air flight. Find out when it took off. Find out when it's going to land. We think you have better things to do than circle the airport waiting for your friends to arrive."


Does that not sound like a college kid studying aviation wrote that?
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 10:50 pm

>>Does that not sound like a college kid studying aviation wrote that?

As opposed to `United. Its time to fly.' ?  Insane

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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 10:57 pm

It's doomed to failure. While having adequate start up capital...you can't support a low cost operation with the highest CASM in the industry--by using regional jets as your primary fleet.

Add that to the overcapacity in the market---and it's a sure fire 'miss'.

 
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 11:01 pm

Alright, if they are currently flying 4 times a day between CAE and IAD for UAL, why in the world would they put 7 flights on that route as an independent starting June 23? However, $59 each way is not bad! I wonder if UA Express will match those fares. Should be interesting to see how it works going head to head on so many routes.
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Hannigan
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 11:03 pm

Its still DH. Not sure if BLR will stay the same tho.
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 11:07 pm

in all of their planning, you don't think they havent thought of the CASM issue? for one, they don't need to match the CASM of other LCCs because so many of their routes do not compete directly with LCCs in the first place. they dont need to offer lower fares than the other LCCs all of the time, they just need to offer lower fares compared to what currently exists on their proposed route structure.

as far as capacity, there may be plenty of overall service in general, but there is a significant demand for this low fare service on the markets they will be offering. sure, there may be enough seats available for the SYR-JAX roue, but how many are low fare?
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 11:08 pm

I just noticed they are not serving connecting flights between all of their city pairs. If you put in Lansing, MI for your origination you cannot select Louissville (SDF) for your destination? Seems odd to me! What if I wanted to fly that route!

-Mike
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 11:17 pm

Where at ORD is Flyi going to be located? I know that the city is having one heck of a time trying to get 4 adjacent gates in T-2 for B6, but T-2 seems like the most logical place for them.
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Hannigan
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 11:29 pm

Mike - You can still book it, but you have to have two one way trips booked. Call me at 1-800-FLY-FLYi and I can do it for ya. It's the same price anyway.

Cubsrule - Terminal 2, adjacent to CO
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7e72004
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 11:37 pm

Before everyone starts bashing this airline...give it a chance. I cannot believe how many ignorant people there are that look so much on the pessimistic side....I have a good feeling that this airline will do well...and all of those that are already bashing it can eat your words when the airline posts a profit.  Big thumbs up
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 11:37 pm

in all of their planning, you don't think they havent thought of the CASM issue? for one, they don't need to match the CASM of other LCCs because so many of their routes do not compete directly with LCCs in the first place. they dont need to offer lower fares than the other LCCs all of the time, they just need to offer lower fares compared to what currently exists on their proposed route structure.

While I agree that they must have done all kinds of planning in preparation for this launch, I still can't believe how aggressive they are being. I know they must have tons of start up capital, but how long do they plan to go before reaching break-even. I just looked up a flight from CAE-IAD. $59 each way. In that regard, your argument about not having to charge LCC fares doesn't wash. They could go more than that and be competitive in this market. They are trying to blow the lids off of the incumbent carriers prices on these routes. I just don't see how they could possibly get any return on their investment at those prices, and how they expect to have strong load factors offering SEVEN flights a day to a city like CAE. I admire their optimism, and wish all of you the best of luck, but it will be very interesting in my opinion to watch.
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 11:46 pm

Regarding the pessimism, when any new venture kicks off in such a public manner, that's expected. I'm sure there are a few who still don't expect B6 to make it.  Smile


 
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 11:50 pm

I agree with Potomac. Their costs don't have to be rock-bottom, because they appear to be going into some over-inflated markets that need relief. My home airport, GSP, is an example. We have a reasonably busy airport, very nice facility, but most people drive to ATL or CLT routinely to fly anywhere.
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7e72004
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 11:50 pm

How soon will it be before they add more florida cities?
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potomac
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Wed May 19, 2004 11:55 pm

i just find it odd that so many people on this forum are convinced that they think of the economics of IAir, but IAir itself does not. i have no doubt that IAir has extensively examined market demand, existing routes and fares, and the economics of their proposed operations and fare structures when planning their new service.

for one, those $59 fares are introductory, and it seems likely that they will go up down the line. its basic marketing to start out low and build a base. point is that if/when they do increase from the intro fares, they still will be better than much of what is currently offered by the incumbents.

also, it seems that people look for one of two things when choosing a flight/airline. price or schedule. IAir - with all of its frequencies - is going after both. and they may be able to sustain operations and profitability with quick turn around times and aggressive aircraft utilization.

and while they are looking to gain market share of pax who previously had been flying other carriers, they may also be looking to bring on pax who hadnt been flying period bcs connecting routes didnt exist or bcs fares were prohibitive. this might back the number of frequencies with a "if you build it they will come" approach.
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Thu May 20, 2004 12:01 am

any indy people in here have the c.a.s.m. numbers???....$25.00 iad-jfk!...even if you fill up the crj you are looking at 1250.00....
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RE: Independence Air Is Live!

Thu May 20, 2004 12:02 am

"they may also be looking to bring on pax who hadnt been flying period bcs connecting routes didnt exist or bcs fares were prohibitive......"

Something akin to The Southwest Effect. The airline will most probably get people who weren't using other carriers at all!
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