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AA767400
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777LR Launch Customer.

Sat May 22, 2004 6:00 am

Who will be the launch customer for this beauty? And also, Who else has
interest in this version of the 777? I would love to know what would be the
longest possible route that it likely be used on.
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airxliban
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RE: 777LR Launch Customer.

Sat May 22, 2004 6:02 am

if youre referring to the 777-200LR, EVA and PIA have already ordered it.

A certain CB may be of more help with dates, numbers and the like... Smile
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AA767400
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RE: 777LR Launch Customer.

Sat May 22, 2004 6:06 am

Sorry, I should have known better that it is 772LR.  Big grin So PIA is getting it,
which is great. Are we talking Pakistan-U.S.A. non-stop?
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ConcordeBoy
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RE: 777LR Launch Customer.

Sat May 22, 2004 6:22 am

PK's proposed a few routes, but it seems they're undecided on where the 772LRs will fly.

As things currently stand, PK will take delivery of the aircraft January '06.

Should a new customer (e.g., Qantas) want to launch the aircraft even earlier, they could take delivery as soon as July '05
(Boeing would thenutilize three aircraft for testing/certification instead of two).
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boysteve
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RE: 777LR Launch Customer.

Sat May 22, 2004 7:52 am

From a selfish point of view I hope PIA don't fly Pakistan - USA non stop. Currently they fly sometimes twice a day Pakistan-MAN-USA and return. I love watching 4 PIA aircraft (747/777) land at Manchester in the space of 3 hours as East and Westbound flights cross!
 
soaringadi
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RE: 777LR Launch Customer.

Sat May 22, 2004 2:25 pm

I hope SQ are looking at it, and I think that even CX may buy some....

I see United, CO, DL as potential customers too..... hope they buy these wonders.

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AC
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RE: 777LR Launch Customer.

Sat May 22, 2004 3:40 pm

I hope SQ are looking at it, and I think that even CX may buy some....

I guess CX will buy some also... as it has no A345 and is trying to get rid of its A346, it must get some long-range flights in order to have more ultra-long haul rountines other than HKG-JFK.
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ha763
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RE: 777LR Launch Customer.

Sat May 22, 2004 5:14 pm

I thought the routes PIA wants to use the LRs on is non-stop to Houston and Chicago, not New York?
 
9v-svc
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RE: 777LR Launch Customer.

Sat May 22, 2004 6:26 pm

I really hope SQ will keep the 345s, the a345s is a wonderful aircraft to fly on and something different to spot in changi . They already operating too many 777s. Don't get me wrong but I love the 777s.
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azmd80
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RE: 777LR Launch Customer.

Sat May 22, 2004 6:38 pm

SQ Has already made his choice for ultra long haul route with the 345. I think that other Asian operator like CX or MH will be interested in 777LR.
Also some European as AF or BA will be potential buyer of 777LR in my opinion: they have a rid of 777 in their fleet and they are very plased of this AC. When operator will start direct flight from Pacific without doubt this flag carrier should make the same.
LH has already 346 so for commonality I think they will eventually choose 345.

Interesting is also Quantas: a longer range a/c is going to enter in service in my opinion, for Perth- Europe direct flight anf from SYD or MEL direct flight to non west cost US.

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yul332LX
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RE: 777LR Launch Customer.

Sun May 23, 2004 1:43 am

LH has already 346 so for commonality I think they will eventually choose 345.

Why? What routes do you have in mind for the A345?

Regarding the 772LR, YYZ might be in PK's plans.

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anxebla
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RE: 777LR Launch Customer.

Sun May 23, 2004 2:01 am

According to CX's policy the 772LR's are not suitable into his fleet.
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AGrayson514
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RE: 777LR Launch Customer.

Sun May 23, 2004 2:56 am

Anxebla;
According to CX's policy the 772LR's are not suitable into his fleet.

How so? Would you mind explaining? Not doubting, just curious.

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ConcordeBoy
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RE: 777LR Launch Customer.

Sun May 23, 2004 3:02 am

the a345s is a wonderful aircraft to fly on and something different to spot in changi

It's a sore thumb in the fleet.... I for one, look forward to the second SQ-F.U to Airbus  Big thumbs up




SQ Has already made his choice for ultra long haul route with the 345

As history has demonstrated with this airline... that could change in an instant!




SYD or MEL direct flight to non west cost US

SYD already has direct service to a non westcoast US city




How so? Would you mind explaining?

CX has quite loyally adhered to the antiquated policy of not operating twinjets transPacifically. They're a conservative airline no doubt, but doubt it'll last forever.
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airtran737
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RE: 777LR Launch Customer.

Sun May 23, 2004 3:07 am

I doubt you'll see the 200LR in DL colors anytime soon. DL is getting rid of some of the 200ER's that they have now due to pilot pay issues. I think they'll stay with their current plan.
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ConcordeBoy
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RE: 777LR Launch Customer.

Sun May 23, 2004 3:18 am

DL is getting rid of some of the 200ER's that they have now due to pilot pay issues

No they arent. They're [supposedly  Yeah sure] going to sell/lease some of the upcoming five that they still have on order.
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cba
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RE: 777LR Launch Customer.

Sun May 23, 2004 6:14 am

Many airlines may be interested in the 777-200LR, but not for the added range. When the extra fuel tank is removed, the 772LR essentially becomes a super-MTOW 772ER. This will allow airlines to serve routes that they curretly serve but with capacity restrictions, with no capacity restrictions. For example, CO could fly EWR-HKG and back with a full load of passengers and cargo. Currently, CO cannot do this.
 
ConcordeBoy
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RE: 777LR Launch Customer.

Sun May 23, 2004 7:15 am

True Cba, but there's a roadblock which all but prevents that very scenario.... price!

The 777NG is [listed] at such a price premium that a bare-bones detanked 772LR still costs considerably more than an all-options-standard 772ER.

The additional uplift is significant, but at this point, still not enough to justify the additonal acquisition cost.
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dutchjet
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RE: 777LR Launch Customer.

Sun May 23, 2004 7:37 am

Dont look for any US or European carrier to order the 777-200LR in the near-term future: the US carriers simply cannot afford it at the moment and have no urgent need for it, and the European carriers really do not require it to open any new routes.

I do not foresee any US carriers rushing to open up nonstop routes from the west coast to Bangkok or Singapore.....for just about anything else, the US carriers can manage with their 744s or 772ERs.

The only potential route for a European based carrier would be nonstop to Perth, Australia, and although many here at this forum are very excited about that possibility, in real life I cannot imagine an airline going out and buying very expensive aircraft to operate nonstop to Perth. Perth is a beautiful place, but the only money to be made on the Europe to Australia market is into Sydney and Melbourne, and neither of the ultra-longrange aircraft can do London-Sydney nonstop.

I think that Boeing is hoping that CX, QF, MH and SQ will take a hard look at the 777-200LR; at some point, CX will drop its 4 engine requirement, QF has not yet ordered the A345 eventhough there are lots of unconfirmed rumors about this, MS is already a 777 operator, and as ConcordeBoy pointed out, with SQ anything can happen. Air India is also a wild card with respect to the 777 program and the 777-200LR - the A343 order is still not confirmed and India has a new government.

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