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RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Mon May 24, 2004 6:49 am

May the dead rest in peace. No matter who they were. And I salute the policemen who gave their lives to protect others.

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RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Mon May 24, 2004 7:36 am

This is terrible. I was very nervous as i thought that my girlfriend would be going through CDG this morning but I just got off the phone with her and apparently shes coming tomorrow so shes ok but my condolences go to those who lost loved ones in this tragic incident
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RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Mon May 24, 2004 7:43 am

This is just tragic news. To hear of a jetway collapsing, and the ceiling giving way is just unbelievable. My condolonences go out to the friends and families who have lost loved ones in this tragic event.
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RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Mon May 24, 2004 7:45 am

The suggestion of problems with the reinforced concrete reminds me of a walkway collapse that happened outside of Charlotte Motor Speedway a few years ago. Unfortunately it happened right after a race and many people were badly hurt, although amazingly no one died.

The investigation revealed that there had been problems in the construction of the reinforced concrete sections used to support the walkway. Apparently a lime substance had been used which led to deterioration of the steel within the concrete over a relatively short period of time. When all the weight of the departing racing fans was put on it, the structure simply fractured in the middle, collapsing into a V shape onto the roadway, with dozens of people sliding towards the center on top of one another.

Many lawsuits followed.
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RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Mon May 24, 2004 8:20 am

With all do respect, but why does nationality matter? The fact is they are all human beings no matter what nationality they are. American casualties are no worse than French casualties or any other nationality. It is an equal loss no matter what nationality they are. We are all humanbeings regardless of our ethnicity. If I misunderstood you, then sorry.....

In the United States, the media likes to focus on the possibility of US casualties in foreign tragedies, especially when dealing with air-travel. Fox news probably mentioned that, and that person came on here and reported the same. No harm or disrespect was meant I'm sure.
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RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Mon May 24, 2004 9:20 am

WOW, there is really nothing I can say about this other than how sad it is that something like this could be allowed to happen. Especially at such a great airport as CDG! Those poor people!

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RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Mon May 24, 2004 9:55 am

Just wanted to pass along my condolences to the families who lost loved ones today in ths tragedy. Its sad to see anything happen like this, no matter where it is.
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RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Mon May 24, 2004 10:09 am

this is truly sad news Sad. may all the victims rest in peace.had this happened later,i think we all know the outcome of that would have been.
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RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Mon May 24, 2004 10:10 am

Just a comment, my earlier remark was in no way, shape or form a Franchophobic remark. I am a great admirer of France and very saddened by these two tragedies. It's a shocking coincidence really.

My suggestion that France evaluate their building code just to make sure there isn't some loophole that contractors are jumping through in order to cut costs. A huge number of building construction contractors are very corrupt in every country and tough regulation needs to be in place to govern them. It's very easy to leave open a loophole that permits safety violations. All I'm suggesting is that the French government take a look at their building codes to make sure that these incidents were pure horrible coincidence and that there is not a deficiency.

Again, my condolences to the victims. This was a terrible tragedy.

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RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Mon May 24, 2004 10:30 am

I'm not sure many remember this. Maybe only Americans, but about two years ago when the Milwaukee Brewers (A major League Baseball Team) were building their new stadium. The beams and pretty much the whole top of the structure collapsed inward, killing a few construction workers. This CDG thing reminds me of that incident. My condolences are sent out to the families.
 
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RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Mon May 24, 2004 11:10 am

First, no one who checks in on this website should be surprised by the inane, insensitive, untimely or just plain stupid comments, remarks, etc. Happens all the time on virtually any topic. We should all be used to it by now....there are just some genuine oatmeal-for-brains invididuals who get on here and blurt out anything that pops into their little melon, common sense be damned. They cannot be mortified because they don't get it, so it's a waste of time to try to castigate them...best thing to do is just ignore them and go on.

Now, what I'd like to know is which carriers were tenants of 2E. I checked Sabre for tomorrow's in and out from CDG and saw no x's (cncld flts). Many of the flts showed zero availibility, but often the carriers' revenue management dept will zero everything out to prevent bookings. Can anyone knowledgeable (please no guessing or speculation, opinions, etc) tell us what the plans are for handling the summer traffic into Paree (because it will be substantial) for whoever operated from 2E?

JA8915, I'd especially like to hear from you, as you are on the scene....any more news? Needless to say, all in the aviation community are shocked and saddened by this or any incident that causes loss of life, injury or great damage. But they still occur.....chow
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RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Mon May 24, 2004 11:22 am

So sad news. Definitely a terrible tragedy.  Sad
 
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RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Mon May 24, 2004 12:43 pm

Just to confirm, that terminal is NOT BA's terminal.
I don't recall it being that new when I was there earlier in the year??

I was so shocked to hear the news. You would never thought these type of things will happen is civilise western countries like this! It makes you think when you are in these new futuristic airports (eg. HKG, DXB etc....) whether the structure is safe or not?????
 
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RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Mon May 24, 2004 1:07 pm

Here's the big question: if they do determine that CDG's Terminal 2E's roof is structurally unsafe, how long will it take to tear it down and replace it with a safer roof structure? At least one year?
 
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RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Mon May 24, 2004 1:08 pm

According to CTK News Agency it was confirmed last night by the Czech consulate in Paris that one of the six (five?) dead is a woman from the Czech Republic and among the injured are supposed to be also women from China and Ivory Coast.
 
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RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Mon May 24, 2004 1:14 pm

It is horrible for CDG today and will ever repair with reconstructions into the concourses and will happening again in the future. I won't not able happening again either in the future and I already heard about them in the news today. I am worried about with CDG collapse down into the terminal and will they clean it up with midfield concourses.
 
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RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Mon May 24, 2004 1:19 pm

To clear up some misconceptions on the engineering design and construction trades...

The typical order of concept to concrete goes as follows: (with some variety based on project type and location)
  • design calculations are made by engineer according to local, federal, and universal (i.e. UBC) codes
  • another designer provides an independent check on those calculations, discrepencies are settled, and calculations are placed in final book
  • directions given to tech based on design calcs, tech drafts them, original directive engineer reviews them, and independent engineer checks entire sheet
  • Professional Engineer or certified equivalent reviews calcs and sheet and signs both
  • reviewed and signed plan sheets are approved by owner or owner's rep and submitted to contractors for bids (unless it's a design-build job where effectively this step is skipped because the contractor and designer are teamed)
  • contractor selected by owner based on quality and economic qualifications
  • contractor reviews sheets and submits shop drawings to engineer of record for review
  • engineer approves to-be-built concept, i.e. rarely as designed based on things like availability of materials, acceptible construction methods, etc. or mandates any required changes
  • contractor fabricates and builds under inspection of owner's rep (sometimes the design engineer, but rarely) who will ensure QA/QC procedures of the owner are being met
  • engineer/tech submits final as-built sheets based on field changes for owner

    ...so, needless to say, to pin this horrific incident (or any of the others as previously mentioned in the thread) on one particular item is missing the point: this is not some Pandora's box of shady French building code, this is not an indicator of a poorly designed building, this is not an indicator of an incompetent, unsafe contractor, etc. This is a tragedy where people died. Period.

    As a final comment, which admittedly doesn't sit well with some people, structural engineers are not dedicated to designing something that will stand forever. Our art is to develop predictable, reliable, safe failure modes to maximize safety for occupants and economy for the owner. Amongst these failure modes are warning signs like cracks, displacement, timed collapse, etc. that--and I believe this occured today--saves many lives by giving advance warning. The greatest tragedy of structural collapses is when police and firefighters are sent in to provide rescue when not heeding these built in warnings...may God rest their brave souls in giving their lives to protect others.

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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Mon May 24, 2004 3:04 pm

    If you ask me, they got a little too "cute" with the design. Simplicity rules...
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Mon May 24, 2004 3:17 pm

    And if you ask me, there is lots of "cute" design all over the world - and that's great cause we want to see beautiful buildings.
    I think this is an airliners forum and I'm sure only few people here are specialists in architecture and statics.
     
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Mon May 24, 2004 3:57 pm

    My sympathy to all those caught up in this tragedy.

    Shame on some members here for their cheap, puerile comment. This is neither time, nor the place.
     
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Mon May 24, 2004 4:59 pm

    Maybe only Americans, but about two years ago when the Milwaukee Brewers (A major League Baseball Team) were building their new stadium. The beams and pretty much the whole top of the structure collapsed inward, killing a few construction workers.

    Just to clear something up here. All that happened was a crane (nicknamed "Big Blue") collapsed. There was nothing wrong with the actual stadium.

    My condolences go out to all who were affected by the CDG tragedy.

    [Edited 2004-05-24 10:01:19]
     
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Mon May 24, 2004 5:14 pm

    [Leave it to the French who build a structure with a flashy appearance, but the integrity is in shambles.]

    Well, JMC1975, you managed to offend me too, and I live in the Midwest. How anyone can use this tragedy to make anti-French comments is totally beyond the scope of human decency. By the way, many fine people of French ancestry live in the USA, including my family. I am sick and tired of French bashing on all levels. France is a great country with a wonderful heritage. Have you forgotten who assisted us in the American revolution? Have you forgotten who gave us the Statue of Liberty?

    All humanity experienced a great tragedy today, and my heart goes out to those who were killed or injured and their families. What possible reason could you have for such an insensitive statement. Your comments are truly insulting and tasteless. How would you feel if foreigners commented about the alleged shoddy construction of the World Trade Center the day of the tragedy?
     
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Mon May 24, 2004 5:30 pm

    My suggestion that France evaluate their building code just to make sure there isn't some loophole that contractors are jumping through

    Just to clarify things: France is not especially known for his building collapses.

    The other tragedy your are talking about is different: there was no concrete, it was a temporary footbridge put there to allow people to visit the boat.
     
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Mon May 24, 2004 5:53 pm

    And if you ask me, there is lots of "cute" design all over the world - and that's great cause we want to see beautiful buildings.
    I think this is an airliners forum and I'm sure only few people here are specialists in architecture and statics.


    I apologize for my statement as I left it open for bad interpretation and representation of what I meant...got careless.

    Too often these days, we as creative human beings seem to be pushing the limits and have a tendency to go a little over the top as we strive to better ourselves and our world. That structure is an airport terminal. A "conventional" structure would have served the same purpose just fine as long as it served its purpose and provided comfort. In my opinion, and remember, this is my opinion, there is no need for that kind of structure. I mean, as stated above in another post, this design brought many obstacles that otherwise would not have been an issue. It just seems like a lot of effort for something as simple as an airport terminal. I'm not going as far as to bash the French in this next statement like someone else chose, but I will say this building was a bit flashy. That is my opinion. I am not one that takes real kindly to things being "flashier" than they practically need be. I can do without a lot in this world as long as it serves its original intended purpose. I'm going to use the analogy here of cellular phones (possibly(?) a bad analogy). Cell phones are becoming ridiculous these days in that they contain so many features, that is seems the actual CALL function is at best a secondary feature. I can do without the camera, video, whatever else they come with these days. In fact I read a report of a study claiming that these new cellular network technologies are harmful to us when exposed...which we all are every day whether you use a cell phone or not. God only knows how bad the effects it will have on us will be down the road. We are killing ourselves these days as we push the limits with technology especially when mixed with our creativity. Creativity is very important to society, and no doubt they were just trying to be different and unique by adding such an incredible structure to CDG, but seeing how difficult it was to actually pull off, and the end result, I'd say it APPEARS, we MAY have pushed it too far. In the end, this was an airport terminal. If it had been kept as simple as that, rather than trying to create a modern marvel, it still would have served it's function and still could have been beautiful.

    My heart goes out to those who died and their families for this is a tragic, and very sad event. I don't wish to take away from that. But when I saw the first pictures of that terminal, especially the one taken from inside, my immediate impression was, a bit too flashy!...or at least, unnecessarily flashy...

    I have interrupted this topic enough and I wish not to take away from the attention of this horrible event any more than I may have already. I mean no harm with my comments and I direct them at no one, especially not the French. Just sharing my 2 cents...



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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Mon May 24, 2004 6:27 pm

    There certainly seems to be a lot of emotion and some bias running around this thread. The truth behind any structural collapse, in any country, especially with a new building, is the reasons are usually simple to trace.

    1. A natural disaster: Earthquake, hurricane. Easy to rule out in this case.

    2. Engineering failure: architects frequently ask for nearly impossible designs to be created. Structural Engineers attempt to take the drawings and make a safe structure. Unfortunately, this does not always happen, and there are a few examples in this thread of when they don't succeed.

    3. Poor materials: Sometimes related to the engineers, lower grade steel or concrete used to build the structure.

    4. Poor workmanship: The plans and materials were correct for the job. However, in the field they were not followed correctly. Thats why many cities require engineers to be present at crucial points during construction.

    It was a bad day at CDG, and I feel bad for everyone involved. If any good side comes out of this, the reason will be found. Again, one of the things, or more likely a combination of them happened to bring this fine structure down. It would be a good guess that what caused this to happen will effect the entire structure at 2E.
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Mon May 24, 2004 9:19 pm

    At least it wasn't T2C at that time in the morning

    Does
    2c have more traffic than E? Which one of the Sub-T in T2 has the most Pax?


    If you fly into CDG,avoid 2C in the morning like the plague-it's very busy.
    Before 0630 on a Sunday they have flights coming from:
    Kinshasa,Bamako,Dakar,Lome,St. Maarteen,Lagos and several others.
     
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Mon May 24, 2004 9:29 pm

    Very sad and tragic news, Rest in peace to those who have passed away due to this unfortunate event.  Sad
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Mon May 24, 2004 10:27 pm

    Breaking news-Reports in French media that workers clearing the site have just evacuated the site because of a cracking sound in an other part of the building.
     
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Mon May 24, 2004 11:07 pm

    At least, it won't be hard to break it down before they make a new terminal ... They just have to shout a little bit and everything will collapse  Pissed
     
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Mon May 24, 2004 11:18 pm

    Sounds like a quality building!!
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    Mon May 24, 2004 11:33 pm


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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Tue May 25, 2004 12:16 am

    Here's a report on the "fresh cracks." One wonders what exactly was done differently when they built this new section, and also what can be done to salvage what's left - if it's even possible at this point.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3743081.stm
     
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Tue May 25, 2004 12:40 am

    Just saw on the FOX news ticker that officials are considering demolishing the entire terminal after fresh new cracks are found.
     
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Tue May 25, 2004 1:15 am

    Looking at pictures of the damage, I think it's amazing only 4 people died. My thoughts are with the victims and their families.

    I suggest we all wait to see what the investigation reveals before making statements about the cause of this sad tragedy.

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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Tue May 25, 2004 3:43 am

    So how badly does this disrupt Air France's operation?
    .......
     
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Tue May 25, 2004 4:11 am

    So how badly does this disrupt Air France's operation?
    -In the short term, the closure of terminal 2E means an important loss for AF.
    Terminal 2E as the most performant and most efficient, and its closure is a blow to AF.
    -In the medium term, if the terminal can not be reopened soon, it could cause a delay in the launch of the A380 which is scheduled to be delivered to AF between 2006 and 2007. The first 2 gates to accomodate the A380 are planned to be from terminal 2E, and later from 2A, 2C and S3 in 2007-2008
    -In the long term, a long closure or even demolition of the terminal 2E DOES NOT threaten AF profitability, analysts say.
     
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Tue May 25, 2004 4:44 am

    https://www.airliners.net/open.file/584168/L/

    Well here is a pretty good view of the construction for all us amateur architectural engineers.

    You can see how the roof is keyed into the support column and from observation,and not having any structural engineering experience, it sure looks like at the floor level there would be some pretty good shear just above the key, and towards outside of the support column where the concrete starts to get thin.
    I also noticed from pictures that there are some walk ways at the failure point to join the two buildings on the opposite side of most pictures. These are just observations.

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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Tue May 25, 2004 5:09 am

    Concerning how this will affect AF traffic and the A380, click on the link below and read my reply # 19 :


    https://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1580482/
     
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Tue May 25, 2004 6:35 am

    *I admit to not having read the majority of the [repetitive] responses in this thread*

    ...did they announce whether the dead were staff or passengers?
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Tue May 25, 2004 7:00 am

    My sympathies to anyone and everyone involved, particularly those families who lost loved ones. What a horrible accident, and as the investigation unfolds, hopefully it won't be for naught.

    I know it's far too premature to discuss potential causes, but a couple things strike me: if there are fresh cracks, this could be nothing, or could be signs of an imminent structural failure. A chain-reaction might be in the making due to structural fatigue, much as stress risers will lead to catastrophic failure of a metal or structure. Another thing that I gleaned based on reading this:

    To solve the problem, the project's chief architect, Paul Andreu, proposed using technology developed for the construction of tunnels. It was "a significant first, not without numerous difficulties, not least being the open air construction of the concrete shells," noted a 2002 press release from the French Technology Press Bureau.

    The concrete shell, built by the French construction firms Eiffel and Laubeuf, was constructed in rings "with three interlocking elements, positioned one next to the other," the press release said. To simulate the pressure on an underground tunnel that keeps the concrete tube intact, the press release explained, steel reinforcement was built outside the shell, which was further reinforced with carbon fiber glued onto the inside.

    The shell, its ceiling honeycombed with square windows, was expected to settle as much as 8 centimeters, according to the press release. It said France's Building Science and Testing Center performed a technical assessment of the structure.


    If this shell settled, and fatigue cracks developed in the concrete shell, it's possible that the weight of the structure itself pushed the interlocking ring system (regardless of material) to physical limit. The pictures are tough to make a call from, but that's one possibility. That design may not be the most optimal to allow for changes in loading or the most forgiving.

    Best of luck to the engineers and airport personnel as they work to recover.  Sad
     
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Tue May 25, 2004 8:25 am

    wow-i was at the 2E terminal last november and wow it was huge.Im amazed that the size of the colapsed area didnt claim more lives.
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Tue May 25, 2004 9:55 am

    Slider, I assure you that there is no way that fatigue is an issue here. Two factors of fatigue are the stress limit and the number of cycles: increase one and decrease the allowable of the other. This structure was open for a mere 11 months and was subject to relatively low stress cycles such as pedestrian live loads, thermal expansion, etc. Fatigue is a design consideration on things like aircraft frames and (more of my specialty) steel bridges where both factors are much higher.
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Tue May 25, 2004 10:14 am

    Latest reports say there were four casualties, but there's no mention of any police being amongst them, as was thought earlier.
     
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Tue May 25, 2004 1:59 pm

    With all do respect, but why does nationality matter? The fact is they are all human beings no matter what nationality they are. American casualties are no worse than French casualties or any other nationality.

    This comes from the Australian article given near the beginning of thread

    "None of the dead or injured were Australian, the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) has said."

    It's typical for news agencies to point out whether any of the known dead are nationals of that country, especially in situations where people from lots of nationalities could be affected. It's not so much to put emphasis on whose death is more important, but really just to let people know, "It's okay. There were no casualties from this country. You can put your mind at ease."

    Just to confirm, that terminal is NOT BA's terminal.

    That is correct. BA operate in and out of Terminal 2B.

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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Wed May 26, 2004 10:32 pm

    Quite interesting story develops around the identity of those poor souls who died at CDG on Sunday. According to earlier reports, one of the victims was supposed to be a Czech woman, which was confirmed by the consulate in Paris, based on travel documents found on site.
    What a surprise for all involved it had to be, when police officers, who went to notify the relatives of that lady, found her at home and alive! Her passport was reported as stolen couple months ago.
     
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    RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

    Thu May 27, 2004 1:54 am

    Its funny to thing back about sitting way down in the 2E bar marvelling at the ceiling and structure of the place in December awaiing a my HK flight. They had better destrot the whole structure or I don't think anyone would marvel at it anymore. We've had masks in HK, I think hard hats in CDG would be in order. Very sad for everyone that lost their life in such an extraodinary way, I would bet that the Chinese were awaiting the same HK flight.

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    Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

    Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

    Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

    Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

    Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

    Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

    Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

    Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

    Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

    Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos