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Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 3:45 pm
by sebolino
French radio "Europe 1" reports that a footbridge has collapsed in CDG terminal 2E (the newest), with "several" injured.

[Edited 2004-05-23 08:46:30]

Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 3:48 pm
by dinker225
Not good, any linkage?

Dinker

Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 3:49 pm
by sebolino

Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 3:50 pm
by nosedive
Let's hope this isn't as bad as it sounds....had a girder collapse on Interstate 70 out here in Colorado a week ago, killing 3 people... hope it's nothing like that!

Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 3:52 pm
by sebolino
How can a new construction collapse ?????

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Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 3:53 pm
by sebolino
Shit !

Now they say it's the roof, and that there may be some deads.

Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 3:53 pm
by dinker225
That girder collapse was terrible, lets hope this isn't another one of those.

Dinker

Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 4:01 pm
by nosedive
Another source:
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1531246,00.html
"Emergency services, who were immediately sent to the scene, set off their so-called "red plan" to mobilise help, indicating that there could be a large number of casualties, sources said."

This won't be good....

[Edited 2004-05-23 09:08:48]

Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 4:24 pm
by nosedive

Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 4:47 pm
by wgw2707
This is actually the second footbridge tragedy in France in recent months. Late last year a gangway collapsed at Chantiers d'Atlantique as family members of construction workers visited the newly completed ocean liner Queen Mary 2. A series of tragic incidents such as these helps to validate the cluster theory. This incident is truly unfortunate. Perhaps France should evaluate their building safety standards to ensure that no more footbridge accidents occur?

-WGW2707

Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 4:55 pm
by DC9
For the Francophones:

http://news.tf1.fr/news/france/0,,3035315,00.html

Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 5:09 pm
by icarus75
What a pity!!!
I was there yesterday morning arriving from HGK and this terminal is very stunning in the architecture!!!
Hope they will find soon the responsabilities but at the french radio, they say it should be a construction default!!!
ADP was on late in the construction and I remember that the terminal opened and was then closed for some days because of troubles in the structure!!
I hope it won't arm AF, not responsible at all in this case.

WgW2707 : The Chantiers de l'Atlantlique tragedy is absolutely different!The footbridge that collapsed was meant to stay for just some days, during the construction of the ship!!!

Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 5:16 pm
by Mexicana757
Here is another link that says more about the roof collapsing. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3739715.stm

I hope there aren't anymore casualties.

Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 5:40 pm
by chrisrad
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8566
Five dead in Paris airport collapse
18:12 AEST Sun May 23 2004


AP - Tons of concrete have collapsed from a ceiling over a waiting area in a passenger terminal at Paris' largest airport, killing at least five people and injuring three.


RE: Footbridge Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 5:47 pm
by AOMlover
Oh my god that is terrible...
I guess 2E will be closed until further notice.
Poor victims :'(

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 5:58 pm
by planesarecool
It's "Breaking News" on BBC News 24 so it must be bad. It says on there that it was in the check in area, so it must be bad as it would have been in the morning rush!  Sad

-Stephen

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 6:03 pm
by snnams
"Perhaps France should evaluate their building safety standards to ensure that no more footbridge accidents occur?"

Sorry mate, but I think it's a bit previous to be making statements like that, and in slightly bad taste at this point too if I may say so.

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 6:22 pm
by mischadee
Now 6 dead from a Swedish newspapersource. It's terrible.

Mischa.

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 6:36 pm
by TS-IOR

Radio reported that it was a jetway and not a ceiling !!!

Six (6) souls are reported dead in addition to service cars damage.

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 6:46 pm
by mrniji
Perhaps France should evaluate their building safety standards to ensure that no more footbridge accidents occur?

Save your anti-French comments for another occasion or the non-aviation forum, not in this context

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 6:46 pm
by FJWH
Are there already photo's available?


RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 6:55 pm
by CedarWings
Pierre Graff, president of the Paris airports authority, said passengers of Air France plane coming from New York and another from Johannesburg, could be involved in this accident.


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RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 7:10 pm
by dc-10 levo
Sky News have reported that 6 are dead - including 3 policemen. Very sad news.

DC-10

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 7:23 pm
by CedarWings

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 7:30 pm
by MerC
Terrible news! It certainly looks worse than I imagined.

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 7:35 pm
by bullpitt
Just seen the picture it looks like an entire section has collapsed. It seems like the police were actually evacuating before the collapse but unfortunately not in time to avoid their own deaths. Once again these public servants have given their lives for others. My respects to all of them.  Crying

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 7:39 pm
by apuneger
Very sad news indeed. Look at that picture from Cedarwings' hyperlink: it appears as if a whole part of the terminal has been shifted towards the ground. Must have been horiffic... RIP to the victims and my condoleances to the families  Sad

Ivan

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 7:42 pm
by alpere1
OH my god! what a terrible news, my condolences to the families of the dead people and best wishes of recovery for those injured.
How can something like that happened????
I'm shocked!

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 7:43 pm
by PW100
WOW, this is bad/sad . . .



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Edit. It looks like the whole airside section of the terminal between the fourth and fifth jetway from the right has collapsed, as seen on Timothy Feise's photo.

[Edited 2004-05-23 12:48:56]

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 7:53 pm
by mrniji
Is CDG 2x closed down?

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 7:55 pm
by Alessandro
One Chinese and one from Ivory Coast among the injured according to Swedish media.

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 7:56 pm
by Q330
Oh man, that really does look terrible.  Sad

The BBC news article says:

"cracks and falling dust had been observed just before the accident"

I wonder how much time there really was for people to escape. You'd think that with the ceiling crumbling, everyone would evacuate right away...

-Q

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 7:57 pm
by northernlights
Here is a link with footage from CDG (Dutch TV news).
It is in Dutch and French (with Dutch subtitles)

http://www.nos.nl

Then click on NOS NIEUWS and then on NOS JOURNAAL

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 8:17 pm
by AF330
AF Website expects severe delays according to their website. All CDG 2E flights transferred to other CDG terminals.

Peace to all those touched by this tragedy,

Alex

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 8:35 pm
by planespotterx
Very sad news to wake up to, ive been to CDG many times, and its an excellent airport to plane-spot, the people there are so great to talk to (even if it is in French,) lets hope this never happens again.

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 8:42 pm
by backfire
Can't be certain, but it looks like the jetty section immediately to the east of the central walkway that connects the jetty to the main terminal.

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 8:45 pm
by EGGD
How unfortunate...

My thoughts are with the victims' families  Sad.

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 8:50 pm
by donder10
At least it wasn't T2C at that time in the morning.

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 8:52 pm
by mrniji
At least it wasn't T2C at that time in the morning

Does 2c have more traffic than E? Which one of the Sub-T in T2 has the most Pax?

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 8:53 pm
by gkirk
Very, very sad news  Sad

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 9:01 pm
by JA8915
Current situation at CDG (for all I can see) :
Terminal 2E is actually closed, all personnal and remaining passengers evacuated. I guess it will not re-open for a longm very long time.
Access to terminal 2E and 2F by car has been blocked by police and airport authorities. Policemen, firemen and french army are still stationned in front of terminal 2E. Passengers may access 2F by foot only.
It's like CDG's situation has reverted back to april 2003, after terminal 2E's opening has been postponed ! All flights which were suppose to operate from 2E have "no place to go". As far as I know, 2E flights may have been transfered to terminal 2F2, 2C, 2B and 2E (2D and 2F1 are dedicated to Schengen flights). Air France is actually quite busy trying to reorganize their flights splitted into 5 terminals and it seems no clear informations can be obtained (even from interline channels : they are too busy !).
Normal traffic is expected today, but delays are expected all day, due to congested check-in areas, remote-spot boardings, congested immigration area and so on.

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 9:17 pm
by Navion
God bless the dead, injured, and their families. God bless the French people to help them to heal, help them to fix this problem and get this beautiful terminal back up and running. Let the knowledge gained from this tragedy go forth to help others everywhere.

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 9:33 pm
by ScottishLaddie
Very sad. This looks pretry major. 2E could be closed for quite a long time to come. I didn't expect to be that severe, looking at the pics. How long is that going to take to rebuild. Will 2E open again with it in that state or will they have to rebuild it first. The worrying thing is that it was 11 months old apparently!  Wow!
Again, das news for all concerned.  Sad

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 9:39 pm
by L-188
I wouldn't call that a roof collapse, most like a building collapse.

Remind me never to hire that engineering firm.

If only six people got killed they where lucky.

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 9:41 pm
by elwood64151
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120688,00.html

FoxNews reports that at least six are dead, but none has yet been confirmed as an American, even though this terminal is frequently the terminal used by passengers transiting to/from the US. TV reports that more may be trapped underneath the rubble, but search dogs haven't found the scent of anyone.

This is a sad day for all. Our prayers go out to the people of France and the families of those killed.

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 9:52 pm
by sabenapilot
It seems the lower construction below the section of the terminal which has collapsed, gave in. Judging from the pictures the whole terminal is built the same way so I do not expect that terminal to reopen very soon....

What a shame: this thing costs over 750 million euro!

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 9:58 pm
by N754PR
Not sure we should be talking about costs at the moment.....

One things for sure, the people that made it are in a great deal of trouble.

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 10:07 pm
by L-188
Actually from what I can see, it looks like the floor level is intact, but the shell that forms the wall and the ceiling came down on it.

If it is a design flaw and the whole terminal is built to that design, it may not be salvageable, or at best, require major structural modifications.

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 10:11 pm
by CON207
This is terrible !! My sincere condolences to all the families concerned.
 Crying
CDG is a fantastic airport. Lets hope the cause is established quickly

Sue

RE: Ceiling Collapse At CDG

Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 10:17 pm
by RayChuang
That was quite a structural collapse!  Wow!

It will be interesting to see if that walkway's structural design had deficiencies that led to that unfortunate tragedy.