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jfazzer
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New MAN Services For 2004

Mon May 24, 2004 7:08 pm

Highlight for me has to be Alitalia and the AA service to MIA in Nov. Has anyone else heard about new routes?

MANCHESTER AIRPORT NEW SERVICES.....

American Airlines launch daily Boston service with Boeing 757-200s on Sunday 16th May 2004:

AA096 ... Mon-Sun ... ETA 07:20 ... ETD 11:15

LOT change equipment type on the Warsaw flight to Embraer 170s from Tuesday 1st June 2004:

LO290 ... Mon-Sat ... ETD 06:25

LO289 ... Mon-Fri, Sun ... ETA 21:50

Alitalia launch 2x daily Milan Malpensa service with Airbus 319 effective Tuesday 1st June 2004:

AZ263 ... Mon-Sun ... ETD 09:45

AZ260 ... Mon-Sun ... ETA 15:20

AZ261 ... Mon-Sun ... ETD 16:10

AZ262 ... Mon-Sun ... ETA 21:45

Monday 21st June

Aer Arann launch daily Londonderry service with ATR-42s on Monday 21st June 2004:

RE582/583 ... Mon-Fri ... ETD 09:25 ... ETA 16:20

RE582/583 ... Saturday ... ETD 10:55 ... ETA 14:05

RE582/583 ... Sunday ... ETD 15:40 ... ETA 18:50

Hapag Lloyd Express apply for additional 6x weekly to Stuttgart with Boeing 737-700s from Monday 21st June 2004:

HLX6600/6601 ... Mon-Sat ... ETA 06:30 ... ETD 07:30

JULY 2004 top

Tuesday 6th July

Ryanair apply for additional 2x weekly to Dublin with Boeing 737-200s from Tuesday 6th July thru Wednesday 1st September 2004:

FR562/563 ... Tue & Wed ... ETA 12:50 ... ETD 13:15

KLM defer 2x daily Rotterdam Fokker 50 service until September 2004

Transaero launch Moscow Domodedovo Boeing 737 service from September 2004

Monday 1st November

Maersk Air launch 5x weekly Copenhagen service from Monday 1st November 2004

DM107/108 ... Mon-Fri ... ETA 19:15 ... ETD 19:55 [Boeing 737-700]

Tuesday 2nd November

American Airlines launch daily Miami service from Tuesday 2nd November 2004

AA158/157 ... Mon-Sun ... ETA 07:35 ... ETD 11:35 [Boeing 767-300]

 
FLYtoEGCC
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Mon May 24, 2004 7:16 pm

Great news indeed about Alitalia, and also nice to see some LOT EMB-170s making an appearance!

Did Alitalia operate to MAN in the early 90s? I'm sure I remember driving under the runway tunnel on the A538 and an AZ DC-9 took off right in front of us... then again I could be wrong...

Also, anyone any idea about load factors on the HLX services? Last I heard, the Cologne services were averaging 40%, and HLX said they were "delighted".

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jfazzer
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Mon May 24, 2004 7:30 pm

Yeah, Alitalia did operate into MAN but cut the route due to poor load factors, which makes me think that twice daily to Milan might be a little over ambitious to start with.
As for HLX, I am surprised that a 40% load factor would be considered good!
I believe that the V-Bird service is even worse with the service only operating with single figures regularly.
I with them all the luck in the world however, the aircraft look great!
 
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Mon May 24, 2004 7:38 pm

"As for HLX, I am surprised that a 40% load factor would be considered good!"

That's what I thought, but "delighted" was the quote used in the news pages in Airliner World!

BA Citiexpress also operate to Milan, don't they... anybody think one of BA or AZ might disappear from the route after a while? Or can they sustain it?

[Edited 2004-05-24 12:39:15]
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David_itl
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Mon May 24, 2004 7:57 pm


HLX to CGN is now averaging around 60% to 70% loads. Vbird.... averaged 12 pax per flight in Jan, 22 in Feb, 29 in Mar and then 60 in April.

I would expect AZ to use ERJ170s in time (but I'd also like them to alter it to daily to MXP and daily to FCO); this is the 4th attempt by them to work a MAN service!

David
 
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Mon May 24, 2004 8:08 pm

SAS will relaunch its service to Oslo  Smile

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HUYfan
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Mon May 24, 2004 8:08 pm

There is the Maersk CPH flights starting.

I agree on the AZ front, the ERJ170 should be operating the route, as the 319 is waaaay too optimistic!

However, a twice daily schedule is needed for the business market. However, the timings of the new service are terrible, from both ends, so unless the schedule and aircraft type is changed, I think the service will be a poor performer.

Regards

Mike
 
jfazzer
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Mon May 24, 2004 8:10 pm

The one service I would love to see back at MAN would be Cathay Pacific.

Will I ever be happy?

Even twice a week with an A340 would do me!!!!!
 
MANmatt
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Tue May 25, 2004 1:31 am

Yep, MAN is definitely looking good now. I too would love to have Cathay back at MAN. I do hope that Transaero start their moscow service in september.

Vadheim, do you know when the OSL service is to resume and what the frequency will be? From what i can work out on the SAS website i wont operate on tuesday, but every other day?

Cheers, Matt
 
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Tue May 25, 2004 1:48 am

Some great additions to the MAN timetable, in time for the MAN meet too!  Big grin

Could finally get to see EI-CJI with those extra 2 FR serivces to DUB!

Simon  Big thumbs up
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Tue May 25, 2004 1:54 am

Syrian Arab Airlines launch DAM-MAN-DAM on June 1st, 1230 DEP MAN TUE, SUN, 747SP a/c.

Regards

Mike
 
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Tue May 25, 2004 2:02 am

Absolutely, Cathey Pacific would be very welcomed if they returned to passenger service to manchester. They have cargo flights to MAN though.

However, i was wondering whether CX will return any time soon because don't they code share with BA??

I'm sure that some of BA's flights bewteen LHR and MAN have a CX flight number.

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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Tue May 25, 2004 2:22 am

Carpathians ski charter-jets from Manchester to Bucharest / Brasov to be resumed by My Travel in late fall. Info still sketchy at this time, not sure about aircraft, frequency, etc. Anyone else here knowing more?

 
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Tue May 25, 2004 2:33 am

Great news for MAN!  Big thumbs up

I'm just wondering about the new additional HLX STR services. Will these new flights take over from the X3 5521/5520 which is operated 4x weekly with 737-500s? Is there enough demand?

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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Tue May 25, 2004 3:18 am

I heard a while back that CX were going to start a MAN - Munich - Moscow - HKG service with the A345, but I haven't heard anything since so its either been scrubbed or is still tangled in red tape.

Great news on the new flights, especially the Alitalia and Maersk ones.

Is the Syrian a regular or an occasional visitor because i'd love to see the 747SP come back.

Phil
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pa121
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Tue May 25, 2004 3:32 am

I understand AZ service being seasonal till end of Aug, which can explain the rather funny schedule and service introduction period (when Business travel decrease).
There should be space for AZ on this route, before 9 11 BA was operating the route 3 times a day with 737. Also KLM UK had twice daily frequencies before concentrating on AMS. Alas it could take some time what I dont think AZ will have.
 
MANmatt
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Tue May 25, 2004 3:46 am

The AZ flights aren't seasonal, i checked the AZ website and their flights are still running well into next year. I hope is does work out for them, wish them all the best of luck.
 
pa121
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Tue May 25, 2004 3:56 am

MANmatt,
As a regular business travel on the MAN-MXP route I am really happy the route will be permanent. A little less happy with Alitalia. I rang them 2 months ago enquiring about the route and they told me it was only for summer period...well, maybe it is a clever marketing tactic  Smile
I wish all the luch to AZ as well, it will be nice to see them back @Ringway. Do anyone know which terminal they will use?
 
MANmatt
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Tue May 25, 2004 4:15 am

Yep, they are to join fellow Sky Team members DL, AF, OK, KL in terminal 2. Ive been to milan once before on ryanair so i flew to BGY, a good 30kms away, but got a car hire with my friend and had a great day. The fares look ok, so i am considering booking onto AZ, as i would love to fly with them, and on the 319 as well.
 
David_itl
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Tue May 25, 2004 4:41 am


Have we forgotten the bmi expansion? Here's an extract from their latest press release:

"bmi's Manchester-Chicago services are currently operating at load factors of 91 per cent, with Manchester-Washington services at 84 per cent. The airline's new Manchester-Toronto services - operated in conjunction with Star Alliance partner Air Canada - have started with load factors of more than 70 per cent and the airline is expecting 90 per cent-plus figures for its Barbados, Antigua and St Lucia services starting this Winter."

The Syrian service seems to have materialised following their Hadj charter flights which they said were "successful"- hope it's got longer lasting power than Air Algérie!

David
 
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Tue May 25, 2004 5:04 am

It is good to see BMI MAN-USA services doing well, but is this low yield pax, with free upgrades? Their service is superb, they need to make money though.
 
trident2e
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Tue May 25, 2004 5:46 am

Does the AZ service really start on the 1st June? Alitalia's reservation system offers only flights via CDG with AF for any date you enter in June.
 
KA501
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Tue May 25, 2004 6:51 am

The AZ service starts 1/7/2004 it as defered for a month.

Judging by the rest of the Alitalia networks performance the MAN-MXP route does'nt have much to live up to?
 
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Tue May 25, 2004 7:05 am

Airplanepics: guess which FR 732 visited MAN yesterday???

EI-CJI  Wink/being sarcastic
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David_itl
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Tue May 25, 2004 7:05 am


Col

The odd occasion I've got to know about the cabin breakdown, the J class has had around 20 to 25, premium economy about 20 (on one occasion 7, with 25 in J) and economy quite full but not totally full - it doesn't look as though they are having to upgrade too many economy passengers!

David
 
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Tue May 25, 2004 8:01 am

I would like to know EK's intentions. They currently operate an A332 twice daily MAN to DXB but the flights I have caught are always 95% plus full. Given EK's fleet growth over the next few years will we ever see larger aircraft on this route or will it be three times a day?
 
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Tue May 25, 2004 8:50 am

They upgraded one of the flights to a 777 last summer, so they were operating 1 x A330 and 1 x 777. Whether this is still the case I don't know, but if loads are always as high as you have seen, then I can see some possible expansion happening in the not-too-distant future.
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Tue May 25, 2004 9:06 am

I remember back in the late 1990's/2000 or so, there were lots of wide bodies used to depart over my house, i live approx 25 miles south of CC), United Kingdom">MAN on what was at one time, a VERY busy departure route southbound (CONGA1ROMEO) and we got AHK(742), BA(742),CX(744),SQ(744) and at least 1 or 2 CC charters on 747 or L1011. All quite low too as i am high up on the n staffs moorlands, i always remember in the winter, there was always a CKT L1011 left CC), United Kingdom">MAN for LXR at approx 8pm every Sat night and it would come growling over our house at about flt lvl 7,000, but as we're high anyway that seemed a lot lower, could see the famous double beacon underneath and sometimes the lion on the tail if the light was still on. Was usually the Aer Lingus hybrid one.Happy days!!!
 
David_itl
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Wed May 26, 2004 5:52 am

The 777s were just a temporary measure due to SARS - the 777s they used to Asia were redeployed in Europe, swapping with A330s to reflect lesser demand. I'm fully expecting the 3rd daily EK flgiht by March next year; we may see EK17/18 go to 777s again in 2 years or so, then EK19/20 in due course and then A380s on the EK17/18 may become the order of the day around 2008!

David
 
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Wed May 26, 2004 6:52 am

I would be suprised, yet delighted if EK used the A380 on MAN-DXB in 2008. These beasts would be better used on LHR flights for example where slots are at a premium. I would guess that MAN would see more A332 or B777 aircraft from EK in the future
 
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Wed May 26, 2004 7:29 am

Col

My days as bmi longhaul flight crew ended last year, but I presume nothing has changed......

bmi are absolutely rigid in no comp. upgrades on longhaul ex. MAN, including non-rev.

However, they do offer special rate upgrades at check-in, irrespective of the fare you have already paid ( I think the figure was about £200 one way to upgrade to Y+. subject to availabilty).

The only other upgrade route is FF miles, of which the majority have been, perhaps surprisingly, United and Lufthansa members, with many connecting up from LHR.

I have no access to the long haul data these days, but The Biz was consistently well booked on the ORD run, whilst Cargo was often max-ed out on the IAD schedule.

From what I have been told, advance reservations on the new caribbean services for this winter are "encouraging." I just hope the yield matches the load and high expectations bmi seem to have for them, as I still respect the product they offer.

Regards

Shamu
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Wed May 26, 2004 7:42 am

Shamu, how's life on the 4 holers been treating you? Been a while since you posted on here and your input is always greatly appreciated.
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Wed May 26, 2004 6:00 pm

gk

Nice to get on here now and then, sadly not too often lately. :-(

Life on the 340 has been pretty good, though I do miss the 330 now and then, esp. with YYZ and the Caribbean coming on to the bmi schedule... still, there's always the dangling carrot here of maybe the 346 one day...soon....please !!  Wink/being sarcastic

Shamu
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ManchesterMAN
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Wed May 26, 2004 6:39 pm

If I am rembering this correctly EK were planning a 772 on the lunchtime service but this went to BHX for extra capacity when their proposed second daily fell through, so 2 x 332 for now.
Flown: A300,A319,A320,A321,A330,A340.A380,717,727,737,747,757,767,777,DC9,DC10,MD11,MD80,F100,F50,ERJ,E190,CRJ,BAe146,Da
 
col
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RE: New MAN Services For 2004

Wed May 26, 2004 9:42 pm

Shamu,

Thanks for info. I got upgraded from Y to Y+, once with my family IAD to MAN on their first Christmas season, and secondly on a ORD-MAN during last summer.

I try to use their flights where possible, last time MAN-IAH in April, on the Star Alliance plane, with the different interior (ex SAA lease?). SQ should link with them as that would give me a good option from East Coast on my Asian trips, plus service standards would be similar, the shock of getting off SQ and onto LH/UA is scary sometimes.

Col

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