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FedEx 737's

Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:08 pm

I work at ONT for FedEx and after talking to a few of the mechanics and some pilots, I was told that we are going to purchase 737-300/400 from US Airways. What I would like to know is if anyone else has heard of this rumor. I think the 737's would not be a good replacement for our 727's, I think 757's would be a good replacement but that is just my opinion.

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RE: FedEx 737's

Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:14 pm

Yeah, we've discussed this before. Now, it's just time to wait for the rumor to become true.. Big grin
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RE: FedEx 737's

Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:38 pm

This has been discussed before... lemme give you a link
https://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1592238/

and here's a cool sceme...http://www.freewebs.com/jetabout/fedx.htm

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RE: FedEx 737's

Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:07 pm

It's good to see that we now know the source of the airframes. I wonder if USAir is regretting scrapping those 733/734s?
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RE: FedEx 737's

Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:41 pm

The deal with US would be for 50 737's. 25 in service, and 25 parked in the desert.

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RE: FedEx 737's

Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:31 pm

I still don't get this...how can the 737 be a viable replacement for the 727-200. 1) they are smaller ... 2) FedEx is growing--the 727-200 replacement needs to be a plane bigger than the 727...the 75 or 76 make perfect sense, not the 737. 3) the cycles on these 737's are probably more than FDX currently has on it's older 727's. FedEx flies their planes 1 or 2x a day. US Airways probably flew 7-10 cycles a day on their 737's that FedEx is interested in.

This just doesn't make sense. I think they should go after more A300's or maybe even the fairly new 75 fleet that AA inherited from TWA.
 
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RE: FedEx 737's

Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:15 pm

Just like to ask if anyone has spotted the arrow in the FedEx logo? Once you've seen it, you'll never be able to look at that logo again without looking for the arrow.

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RE: FedEx 737's

Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:40 pm

I still don't get this...how can the 737 be a viable replacement for the 727-200. 1) they are smaller ... 2) FedEx is growing--the 727-200 replacement needs to be a plane bigger than the 727...the 75 or 76 make perfect sense, not the 737. 3) the cycles on these 737's are probably more than FDX currently has on it's older 727's. FedEx flies their planes 1 or 2x a day. US Airways probably flew 7-10 cycles a day on their 737's that FedEx is interested in.

The 733/734 are in many ways ideal replacements for the 721/722 fleets respectively, in terms of capacity, range, capital cost, availability.

Fedex looked at new/used 752's but found them too expensive. Also, the 752 capacity is closer to the 312 than the 721 so if not an effective 721 replacement.

The US 734's were built from 1988 onward so they are still quite young. Only the oldest 721/722's wil be replaced first. Many of the later Fedex 722's will soldier on for 10 more years.



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RE: FedEx 737's

Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:10 am

Fedex is retiring 721s at an accelerating pace. They need a similar sized replacement, while realizing savings in fuel and engine maintainence, as well as having fewer crew members. Replacing a 721 with an A300 is silly, which is why they are not doing it. Some of the older 722s will be phased out as well, however the newest ones (the 722/REs) with JT8D-200 engines on the outboard pylons, will see longer service. The former AC birds with the extra fuel tanks are still valuable doing Carribean/South American routes.

I think we will see UPS watch this very closely, as they have already phased out the 722, and the 721 is beginning to be retired with them as well. Perhaps they might even invest in winglets for the 733/4 like Air Plus Comet did.
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RE: FedEx 737's

Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:22 am

Just like to ask if anyone has spotted the arrow in the FedEx logo?

Never noticed it before - but now you come to mention it there is an arrow between the second letter E and the X - on the white space between the letters!


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RE: FedEx 737's

Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:11 am

2) FedEx is growing--the 727-200 replacement needs to be a plane bigger than the 727...the 75 or 76 make perfect sense, not the 737.

The 767 doesn't make sense anywhere in the FedEx network with the large A310 and A300 fleet.

Yes the 757 would be a better size replacement, but the 757 is expensive and starting to press against the size class of the A310-200. The 737-300/400 is almost the size of the 721 and would do the job much more cheaply, even more cheaply than the 757.

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RE: FedEx 737's

Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:45 pm

Rumor is ... The USAIR 737 deal is off. FEDEX Is talking with Boeing about buying 50+ new 737-900x freighters .... This rumor was past to me by a pilot here in PHX .... After the pilots contract is settled there will be some kind of announcement.
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RE: FedEx 737's

Thu Jun 17, 2004 2:33 pm

**Never noticed it before - but now you come to mention it there is an arrow between the second letter E and the X - on the white space between the letters!**

So on the left hand side of the plane like on that MD-10, the arrow is going backwards.
 
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RE: FedEx 737's

Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:09 pm

FEDEX Is talking with Boeing about buying 50+ new 737-900x freighters

I'll hold my breath on that one. If FedEx is unwilling to buy well used 757s they're certainly not going to buy brand new 737-900s.

It'd be equally likely that they place an order for new-build A321s.

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RE: FedEx 737's

Fri Jun 18, 2004 1:05 am

To all:

Is there actually a 737-9XF? I don't recall seeing anything about this variant.
Perhaps the 737-7F is the version being looked at. Boeing makes that for the USN and it would be comparable in size(and presumably)in capacity to a converted 734F.

Why would UPS be looking at the FedEx choice of a 727 replacement? Are they considering an a/c of similar size & capacity?

Anyone got any ideas?

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RE: FedEx 737's

Fri Jun 18, 2004 3:16 am

If fedex wants a 373-9XF Boeing or someone will build it for them...It is as simple as carving in a cargo door and applying for a STC......Real simple  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: FedEx 737's

Fri Jun 18, 2004 3:26 am

<< It is as simple as carving in a cargo door and applying for a STC. >>

I would add reinforcing the cabin's floor and adding rollerbed flooring. Have you noticed that F versions have no windows either?

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RE: FedEx 737's

Fri Jun 18, 2004 6:32 am

...think we will see UPS watch this very closely, as they have already phased out the 722, and the 721 is beginning to be retired with them as well...

I wasn't aware that UPS was seeking to dump their 721 after spending a small fortune to refurbish and re-engine the entire fleet? IMO they probably have a lot of cycles left in them. Perhaps FedEx should pick them up if UPS is willing to part with them?

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RE: FedEx 737's

Fri Jun 18, 2004 7:01 am

What happened to the A320 cargo conversion project? Is that still going ahead?
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RE: FedEx 737's

Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:18 am

I wasn't aware that UPS was seeking to dump their 721 after spending a small fortune to refurbish and re-engine the entire fleet?

I wasn't aware of this either. Although a few of the 721's had been in short term storage.

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RE: FedEx 737's

Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:23 am

Just like to ask if anyone has spotted the arrow in the FedEx logo? Once you've seen it, you'll never be able to look at that logo again without looking for the arrow.

Finally someone points it out. I feel like a flippin idiot. My father-in-law told us to find it one day and my wife and I have been dumbfounded for a freakin' year. Now we'll see it every freakin' time. Ughhhhhhh!
 
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RE: FedEx 737's

Fri Jun 18, 2004 10:35 am

What happened to the A320 cargo conversion project? Is that still going ahead?

According to every major annal of the cargo industry EADS has it ready to go when interest shows itself.

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RE: FedEx 737's

Fri Jun 18, 2004 11:03 am

Seeing that my hometown airport is PHL, I am definetely intrigued by this topic. I still don't understand why they would want 73's, but then again I don't know how they operate. Still very interesting.

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RE: FedEx 737's

Fri Jun 18, 2004 11:09 am

Cactuswings shows 21 UPS 721s in storage (and 3 722s). I was under the impression that a few have already left the fleet.
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RE: FedEx 737's

Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:41 am

The express delivery industry has had an overall negative growth for the past three years. FedEx is the only one still making a minimum profit on the express division, thanks mainly to revenue coming from international operations. Both UPS and DHL are loosing money in this sector. All three have had to diversify into logistics, freight forwarding, financial services, even maritime transportation.

Under these circumstances, a B721 is a very expensive airplane to operate (3 crew, 3 engines), for 9 container positions only - and an average of 38,000 pounds of payload. I assume UPS finds it wiser to dump them regardless the huge refurbishing investment recently made.

Comparatively speaking, B734 and B739's will be smart options to replace B721's and B722's. Similar payload and capabilities, with lower operating and overall maintenance costs as well.

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RE: FedEx 737's

Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:24 am

No official decision will be made until a board meeting in July.
It looks the second hand 737-400 is the prefered option. It is the perfect replacement for markets where the A310 would be too big.But who knows what will be decided?
Remember they have been looking for years for props able to replace the 721s.
I don't believe in the 737 NG. They are too expensive, and Fedex is already spending a lot in hubs and A380s.
I think the 757 has been ruled out a few month ago
Regarding all the 727 cargo operators, the reason to find a replacement is the limitation the FAA is adding, to protect the aging structure .

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