Moderators: jsumali2, richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR

 
Corsair2
Topic Author
Posts: 243
Joined: Thu Jan 25, 2001 11:02 pm

No A346 At ORD

Wed Jun 30, 2004 11:59 pm

Why cannot carriers fly the A346 into Chicago O'Hare but other airports in the US allow them?
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector Victor?"
 
scottysair
Posts: 6441
Joined: Tue Mar 28, 2000 4:07 pm

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:03 am

Yes, I think with the new A346 aircraft to ORD already with IB.
 
miaskies
Posts: 1268
Joined: Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:08 am

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:25 am

I do not think IB flies to ORD w/ A346 but rather A343.

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy Ciao!
Crosscheck Complete :)
 
Corsair2
Topic Author
Posts: 243
Joined: Thu Jan 25, 2001 11:02 pm

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:32 am

I have seen IB with only the A343. As such a predominant airport, ORD does not look like it should have a hard time accomodating an aircraft 16 ft longer than a 744. And lots of 744s fly into ORD.
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector Victor?"
 
CcrlR
Posts: 2195
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2001 9:24 am

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:35 am

Scotty, I don't think Iberia flies the A340-600 to ORD, they fly the A340-300
"He was right, it is a screaming metal deathtrap!"-Cosmo (from the Fairly Oddparents)
 
AlitaliaORD
Posts: 237
Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2003 12:38 am

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:46 am

I don't know if Emirates has an A346, but I remember Emirates talking about a possible Chicago route which would bring in an A345. That would be pretty cool.
Joy To The World, All The Boys and Girls, Joy to the Fishes in the Deep Blue Sea, Joy to You and Me
 
miaskies
Posts: 1268
Joined: Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:08 am

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:50 am

IB I think only flies the A346 in the U.S. to MIA (along with 742's and 743's for the afternoon flight) and maybeeeee JFK on occason.
Crosscheck Complete :)
 
Corsair2
Topic Author
Posts: 243
Joined: Thu Jan 25, 2001 11:02 pm

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:52 am

Is there an FAA thing about length or weight on this aircraft at ORD? Otherwise, it would seem carriers would want to use this aircraft, particularly Lufthansa which operates 744s and A343s already.
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector Victor?"
 
scottysair
Posts: 6441
Joined: Tue Mar 28, 2000 4:07 pm

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:56 am

MIASkies,

Yes, it is for A346 will come into MIA with IB & VS, too. As you can see with A346 will landing into late afternoon with Virgin Atlantic of A340-600 aircraft and will able all right with them.
 
ConcordeBoy
Posts: 16852
Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2001 8:04 am

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 1:41 am

I don't know if Emirates has an A346

...on order, not in operation.
Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la terre c'est impossible sans Concorde!
 
flyguy1
Posts: 1744
Joined: Wed Jun 23, 1999 9:45 am

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 1:48 am

ORD most likely does not receive the A340-600 due to market demands, not FAA restrictions.
727, L1011, MD80, A300, 777-200, 737-300, 737-700, 747-400, 757-200, 737-800, A320. E190, E135, 767-200, CRJ9
 
AlitaliaORD
Posts: 237
Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2003 12:38 am

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 1:53 am

Flyguy1,
I disagree. I believe LH could easily fill an A346 daily in Chicago
Joy To The World, All The Boys and Girls, Joy to the Fishes in the Deep Blue Sea, Joy to You and Me
 
lowrider
Posts: 2542
Joined: Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:09 am

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:04 am

Could it be, perhaps that IB simply chooses not to operate the 346 to ORD so they have it available to operate elsewhere? They only have so many to go around.
Proud OOTSK member
 
AlitaliaORD
Posts: 237
Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2003 12:38 am

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:28 am

LowRider,
it only makes sense IB doesn't operate their A346s' here to ORD. They have enough trouble filling up their A343s' during off peak times.
Joy To The World, All The Boys and Girls, Joy to the Fishes in the Deep Blue Sea, Joy to You and Me
 
Corsair2
Topic Author
Posts: 243
Joined: Thu Jan 25, 2001 11:02 pm

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:59 am

I think LH has four daily flights from ORD. There should be no market demand problem.
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector Victor?"
 
Corsair2
Topic Author
Posts: 243
Joined: Thu Jan 25, 2001 11:02 pm

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:18 am

Found an article at Chicago Tribune online. It says that the FAA has expressed reservations to airlines wanting to operate the A340-600 at ORD because the runways are not able to handle the sharp turns this aircraft would make without going in the grass. IB and LH have expressed interest in this aircraft at ORD. They also stated that the A380 would have problems when introduced espcially on the I190 overpass.

Apparently, the FAA sent a letter to the controllers union absolving them from responsibility should the A340-600 fly into ORD and inadvertently miss a taxiway. Wow!
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector Victor?"
 
miaskies
Posts: 1268
Joined: Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:08 am

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:50 am

Again as stated before, IB DOES NOT fly A346 to ORD...Simple as that, whether it is because of demand or runaway length..Or combination of both. IB A346's currently fly to MIA on the Midnight flight out to MAD on certain nights if not the 742/743 does the midnight flight complementing the 530PM MAD flight.

Scottyair...VS and IB are ALREADY flying the A346'S into MIA ...They look great!

Crosscheck Complete :)
 
gigneil
Posts: 14133
Joined: Fri Nov 08, 2002 10:25 am

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 4:33 am

Any problems the A346 has, the 777-300 will have as will the A380, to a lesser degree.

N
 
bartond
Posts: 649
Joined: Mon Jul 21, 2003 6:59 am

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:01 am

AlitaliaORD - So Iberia has a tough time filling up that daily A343 on on the ORD-MAD flight? I've always wondered how well/badly that flight does but I figured all of the AA feed that ORD gets would help fill that sucker almost year round.
 
AlitaliaORD
Posts: 237
Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2003 12:38 am

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:10 am

Bartond- Maybe tough is an overstatement, but it has somewhat of a hard time keeping it filled at off-peak times. During the holidays however the flight is a goldmine. I flew it a couple of years ago during Christmas and it was packed not only for my flight but all during the Christmas Holiday.
Joy To The World, All The Boys and Girls, Joy to the Fishes in the Deep Blue Sea, Joy to You and Me
 
flymunich
Posts: 169
Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2004 8:15 pm

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:10 am

Sorry, Lufthansa fly MUC - ORD not with A340-600 next year, only A340-300.

flymunich
 
VSXA380X800
Posts: 401
Joined: Wed May 19, 2004 10:03 am

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:46 am

"Scotty, I don't think Iberia flies the A340-600 "

Yea,they do. They have a very short amount of them. They also operate the 343. So now your updated.
4 decks 4 engines 4 long haul
 
Cubsrule
Posts: 14827
Joined: Sat May 15, 2004 12:13 pm

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 1:06 pm

Would LH's loads justify making ORD-MUC a 346 or ORD-FRA service 2 346s instead of a 744 and a 343 (current)? That would mean that the early FRA flight is perpetually undersold and the late flight perpetually oversold. Does LH even have a 346 to send on FRA-ORD or MUC-ORD? They only have 10 in the fleet currently.

[Edited 2004-07-01 06:07:23]
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
 
TWAL1011
Posts: 2326
Joined: Mon Nov 10, 2003 12:39 pm

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 1:44 pm

Actually, IB has been performing well in ORD load/yield performance for some time. The standard equipment is A340-300. Mid-june saw the B747-200 due to high loads. The B742 will return for the month of August. The A340-600 will operate the ORD-MAD rotation beg. in September.
 
LOT767-300ER
Posts: 8526
Joined: Mon Jan 01, 2001 12:57 pm

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:13 pm

"I think LH has four daily flights from ORD. There should be no market demand problem. "

No.

Standard is 1x daily to AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA 744 (2x daily summer peak season)
1x daily to MUC A343
Codeshare to DUS on Privatair A319LR
 
gigneil
Posts: 14133
Joined: Fri Nov 08, 2002 10:25 am

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 7:58 pm

Yea,they do. They have a very short amount of them. They also operate the 343. So now your updated.

Not to ORD they don't, which is what the poster said.

N
 
HB-IWC
Posts: 4103
Joined: Fri Sep 22, 2000 1:09 am

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:18 pm

Lufthansa, at least for their Frankfurt-O'Hare inter-hub flights, probably wants to operate a 3-class aircraft. Since the A346 is 2-class configured at LH, you probably won't see the aircraft on this high density route. The only chance would be for the Munich flight, but then again, the airline has only 10 airframes available.

 
Corsair2
Topic Author
Posts: 243
Joined: Thu Jan 25, 2001 11:02 pm

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:04 pm

Hopefully it will not take the folks at ORD to long to make the runway improvements to start having A346 service here in Chicago.
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector Victor?"
 
VSXA380X800
Posts: 401
Joined: Wed May 19, 2004 10:03 am

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:17 pm

"Not to ORD they don't, which is what the poster said."
O sorry. I didn't read everything the person wrote, I apologize.
4 decks 4 engines 4 long haul
 
lowrider
Posts: 2542
Joined: Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:09 am

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:57 pm

Corsair2
I have to ask, what is the big deal. So IB does not fly the A-346 to ORD. Why are you so bent on them doing so. I would imagine as long as you can get a seat to where you want to go, it shouldn't be that big of a deal. As for runway improvements happening quickly at ORD, its Chicago, nothing happens any faster than King Daly want it to.
Proud OOTSK member
 
Iberia340600
Posts: 758
Joined: Fri Oct 10, 2003 5:57 am

RE: No A346 At ORD

Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:12 pm

TWAL1011:

A little deviation from the schedule you posted. The B747-200 did operate to ORD in mid-june as it will operate between 01JUL04 - 14JUL04. It will then go back to the A340-300. As of right now there is no scheduled plan to take the 340-600 to ORD. As you may recall with all the articles that came out when IB was planning to take the 340-600 to ORD....many said it was not possible....even polititians got involved saying the airport was not ready for it..etc. To avoid any problems, I dont think you will be seeing it there any time soon. IB had enough problems bringing it into JFK as to get from the AA terminal to the runways you have to cross one of two bridges(over the JFK Expressway). They had to re-enforce one of the bridges to support the weight of the 340-600...something having to do with the fact that all the wieght of the aircraft would be on the bridge at the same time(both nosewheel and base wheels). Currently they keep inspecting the bridge to make sure there is no fatigue when the 340-600 comes in.
Visca Barça!!
 
Corsair2
Topic Author
Posts: 243
Joined: Thu Jan 25, 2001 11:02 pm

RE: No A346 At ORD

Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:05 am

LowRider - Hillarious pun on Chicago politics! Everything ends up going through years of noise studies, enviro studies, regulatory crap. Its a wonder anything can get done.

I would fly LHs A346 to Europe if it were available.
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector Victor?"

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos