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squirrel83
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752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:10 am

I was just bowsing Flights to BHX and Noticed that CO Has a direct flight EWR - BHX with aircraft type 757-2;







Cruise Speed: 540 mph

Propulsion: Two Rolls Royce RB211-535 High Bypass Ratio turbofan engines, rated at 42,540 pounds thrust each.

Wingspan: 124 feet, 10 inches

has anyone ever flown on a 757 to Europe?
If so whats it like? Ive only flown twin isle to Europe . . is it Crammy?
What other airlines have a Route to Europe on a 757?


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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:15 am

Welcome to the site. You might want to do a search as this topic has been discussed numerous times......
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:17 am

If we've done it before then we can do it again.

Three words on a transatlantic on a 757....Don't do it!

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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:19 am

Jayhup,

One word for a transatlantic flight on a 752..

UNCOMFORTABLE!!
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:23 am

Did a search on Body and Topic cant find anything . . anyone got links?

Also the Milage diffrence on IAH and LIM 3,133miles and EWR to BHX 3,375miles
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:53 am

I know there is a flight on AA from Boston to Manchester (It could be BHX, but I'm pretty certain its MAN) on a 757-200. I think this flight is seasonal.

I just flew BOS to MDW and the 2 1/2 hours was plenty enough for me. I couldn't imagine sitting on a single isle plane for that long unless I was lucky enough to have the exit row. but even then.....
 
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:58 am

I've never understood this debate. Isn't it the seat pitch/legroom that matters? I am very confident that if you were to fly a Gulfstream, Falcon, or Global Express on the same route it would be very comfy, yet those planes are much smaller.
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squirrel83
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:59 am

Yehhhhh AA has a Route BOS to MAN of a 757 hmmm . . Interesting


Is it on a 757 From TWA or is it the 757 Orig AA ??
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:03 am

Bronko

While I agree with you, and wonder if those who say "don't do it" have actually taken a 757-2 across the pond..... you gotta remember that for most people on here, size matters... *shrug*

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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:07 am

Cactus739

Could not agree more with you. I have taken ATA/TZ numerous times across the pond on charter flights and let me tell you they are fine.
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:12 am

I've never understood this debate. Isn't it the seat pitch/legroom that matters? I am very confident that if you were to fly a Gulfstream, Falcon, or Global Express on the same route it would be very comfy, yet those planes are much smaller.

Just what I've always thought.
Yes, I have flown a 757 across the 'pond' and no it wasn't particularly comfortable, but I put that down to seat pitch and not the fact that it is a 757.

 
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 12:08 pm

I've flown to Iceland on an Icelandair 752. While that's not technically trans-Atlantic, it is from the US to Europe. The flight was fine, and the only uncomfortable thing about the flights was that, on the way over, I was stuck in a seat in front of an exit row, so I couldn't recline. Quite a bummer on that long of a flight. That said, I wouldn't hesitate for a minute to fly a 752 across the Atlantic, especially if it would save me from making an extra connection in Europe.
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:03 pm

ATA Trans-Atlantic charter.......your knees are in your face. It's been said that on charters ATA adds rows to the plane to fit more in. You can only do it by moving things closer. I believe I heard this from an employee at the Honolulu Aviation Museum. He also said they added emergency doors to an L1011 since they increased the capacity so much. (I found that hard to believe)

The one thing I don't like about a single isle on a long flight is that everyone is in that isle if they want to get up. It is hard to pass people and on 757's the video monitors are in the isle so if you get up to stretch you feels as if your blocking someone's view. These flights are do-able but if you have another option I say take it.
 
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:13 pm

CO CLE-LGW is on a 757.

While it is not as sexy or large as a widebody, it does give smaller cities direct services to foreign cities, or gives cities more frequencies.

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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:14 pm

Actually, the 757 in-flight entertainment can be configured to appear in drop-down video screens from the overheads; TWA did this in its later 757s. Delta does the screen-in-the-aisle thing, but it isn't that way on all airlines' fleets, and, more importantly, doesn't have to be that way.

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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:26 pm

Jayhup:

"Three words on a transatlantic on a 757....Don't do it!"

Why? I guess it would be similar to say a B707 or DC8. I have never been on one (B707 / DC8). Perhaps it would be an experiance. How bad can it be? The B757 is a fabulous aircraft!!!

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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:16 pm

Yes, I have flown a 757 across the 'pond' and no it wasn't particularly comfortable, but I put that down to seat pitch and not the fact that it is a 757.


CO's seat pitch on their 757s for international service are the same as the widebodies. You should notice no difference.

As many, many people have said, the experience is equal if not a little better than DC-8 or 707 service, which used to span the globe.

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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 6:57 pm

My wife and I are planning a trip to the US later this year. Of course we'll choose CO's 752 OSL-EWR, and then connect to our final destination from there. Seat pitch is what matters, and the 752 is an excellent plane, enabling CO to service airports like OSL, and many others.

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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 7:39 pm

EWR-EDI is also operated by the 752.
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 7:42 pm

CO has huge success with the 752 on Transatlantic flights and I'm sure they will add more cities, especially when they get the A/C equipped with winglets. OSL is a perfect example. You cannot fill a widebody on a daily basis but instead of leaving the city pair out, they use a smaller A/C. I'm sure the people of Norway will appreciate that.
As said before, the majority of pax doesn't care if there is one aisle or two.
 
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:40 pm

Well, I don't know what the big deal about being on narrowbody is. I prefer narrow bodies. You are more likely to get a window or and aisle. Getting stuck in the centre of a widebody is my absolute worst nightmare. I got stuck in the middle of an A300, though only from SJU to MIA. Hated the flight. So as long as the airline offers good pitch and comfortable seats, I see no worries in crossing the pond on a narrowbody.

An airline should offer PTV's, great pitch, nice seats and now we talking about style to Europe..
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:16 pm

I think the inconvenience of having only one isle is much less than the inconvenience of having to connect at LHR or LGW!

Non-Stop flights are king! Maybe one day SLC will get some non-stop europe flights! lol.
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 12:10 am

I never understand this debate either. The flight time from the East Coast to Europe is comparable to the flight time from the East Coast to the West Coast. I've flown JFK-LHR in a shorter amount of time than EWR-SFO. So objecting to a 757 trans-atlantic is similarly objecting to a 757 transcontinental, which most flights are these days if not 737NGs or Airbi.

I've done the CO CLE-LGW flight on a 752 and it was fine. Most people (not on this site) don't even know the difference between the planes they fly.
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 12:13 am

CARAVELLE: Why not instead of CO 752 from OSL to EWR, try the MyTravel A333 OSL-MIA service and the connect? im assuming much more comfortable...

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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 12:57 am

I've flown to Iceland on an Icelandair 752. While that's not technically trans-Atlantic

What makes you think that?


*****************

In contrast to the spooky fishtales fromthose who've contributed here (many of which who've probably never actually ridden a 752 over the water  Insane).... it's a great aircraft, and I absolutely adore it for transatlantics.

BusinessElite in a 752 is akin to premium service in the upstairs of a 747, very cozy and the FA's seem to be able to be more attentive.

Never done coach over the water. I'm sure a few people have been inconvenienced by a cart in the isle... the actual frequency of which I'm more than willing to wager is severely overexpressed.



*edited for pisspoor spelling

[Edited 2004-07-08 18:17:51]
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:15 am

"BuisinessElite in a 752 is akin to premium service in the upstairs of a 747, very cosy and the FA's seem to be able to be more attentive."

I completely agree, Concordeboy. Very attentive service and very private.
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:17 am

Finnair flies HEL-YYZ with 752s. At 4,113 sm that must be one of the longest 757 flights around. I flew back BHX-YYZ on a TS 752 a couple of years ago and I can't say I noticed any difference in comfort from the flight over on an A310. Both were short on legroom for me.
 
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:28 am

When you fly charter, you don't normallh have much choice!

Flew 757-200 with MON from LGW-MAN-BGR-MCO.
Yes it stopped everywhere.
Yes it was fairly uncomortable.
No it wasn't because it was a 757, but the crappy seat pitch.

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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:14 am

CARAVELLE,

Connections, U.S. domestic, from EWR are much better than from MIA. Also, you won't have to up with all the screaming kids going to Disney World and the beaches of Florida. I hope that the both of you enjoy your vacation!

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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 4:30 am

Why not read my trip report!!!

I got back on Saturday from a trip to Canada LGW-YYZ-LGW on a SkyService 752.  Big thumbs up

https://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/45633/


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Photo © John Kelley


I was on this exact flight arriving into Toronto from London on the 27/6 when this photo was taken!


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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:04 am

ConcordeBoy,

My understanding is that a flight from the US to Iceland is not considered transatlantic, but I don't remember the specific reason. It may involve the trip falling short of the defined percentage of the Atlantic crossed. I didn't just make it up; I've read it somewhere reputable in the past. Correct me if you have better information.
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:21 am

Squirrel83, AA uses only their original 757s on the BOS-MAN route, and of their original 757s they use only the ETOPS certified ones on that route. They also use their original 757s on the routes to South America. The ex-TWA 757s, even though some of those are ETOPS certified, will remain domestic only.
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:29 am

Does CO use any 753's across the pond?

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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:35 am

Dvk,

I too have flown on FI from LHR - KEF - BOS. The flights were comfortable and it is the aircraft i have flown on most around europe apart from the 737.

All in all a great aircraft and whoever says its crap on trans-atlantic flights have never done it.

I admit i am going bmi A330 to IAD next month because it was cheaper thn FI to anywhere in states. £214.20 rtn

Regards

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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 6:18 am

"Does CO use any 753's across the pond?"

No they don't...only the special 752s with the 16 businessfirst seats

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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 6:32 am

Well if w ehate the 752 for East to Europe Rtes we should hate it for Trans cons as well Which is about the same in flying time. Say Boston or NYC to LA or SD.
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 6:32 am

"Does CO use any 753's across the pond?"

No they don't...only the special 752s with the 16 businessfirst seats

----------------

Its intertesting that all 752s in the CO fleet are identical from a performance/specification point of view and all are ETOPS, the aircraft that are generally used on transatlantic flights have a slightly different cabin configuration (3 less coach seats and extra galley space) plus 16 BF seats instead of the usual 24 domestic first seats. That being said, CO can use any 752 in its fleet for a transatlantic flight (and has used domestic configured 757s from time to time) in the event of an equipment swap due to mechanical reasons, scheduling, delays, etc.

The CO 753s are strictly domestic aircraft that mainly fly high capacity, low yeild routes like Newark to Florida......with only 12 F seats, frequent flyers hate this aircraft as upgrade possibilities are limited.

The 757 is a great ride accross the Atlantic, its comfortable, effecient and the right aircraft for thin routes that otherwise could not be operated at a profit. CO has done well with its transatlantic 757 service. Many other airlines, especially European charter carriers, use the 757 for transatlantic and other longer-haul flying because it makes sense. Not every long haul flight need be on a widebody airliner.

 
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:43 am

My biggest problem with transatlantic 757 service is lack of room to walk around and strech, when the FA's are in the aisle you are stuck. I flew CO from CLE to LGA--it was a miserable experience.
 
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:52 am

It never ceases to amaze me how many folks act like such pansies on this board.

My biggest problem with transatlantic 757 service is lack of room to walk around and strech, when the FA's are in the aisle you are stuck. I flew CO from CLE to LGA--it was a miserable experience.

Uaord... sorry I singled you out man, but your post really does take the cake!

CLE-LGA? A 90 minute flight? How much jumping around do you need, dude? How do you manage to sit still at the movies?
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:57 am

PA110,

not that I'm defending, but I think Uaord, meant LGW since CO doesn't fly 757s between CLE and LGA, mostly ERJs and 737NGs. But other than that,PA110, you are right.
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:23 am

Squirrel83,

I realized I am coming in a little late in the conv. but I have flown CO from EWR to SNN on a 757-2. The 757-2 I rode on wasn't fantastic but for the experience, bragging rights it was worth it. Service was good, the flight attendants were very attentive; the IFE could have been a little better, "technical difficulties" allowed only one movie to be shown from the drop down LCD's. All in all it wasn't as bad as some make it out to be, I rode a 767-4 back to EWR, found an inch or two difference in seat pitch, felt much more open but if you have any interest, give the 757 a shot.
 
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:35 am

Yes, I have flown a 757 across the 'pond' and no it wasn't particularly comfortable, but I put that down to seat pitch and not the fact that it is a 757.

Well, ScottishLaddie let's look at that, shall we.

Here are the seat pitches of CO's fleet that flies to Europe.

The 752:
http://www.continental.com/Travel/inflight/aircraft/752.asp?SID=2D45B145D22A4CC697F8AFEBF907FABE

The 762:
http://www.continental.com/Travel/inflight/aircraft/762.asp?SID=A219BB8A3C164B75B1C8C0086B05FEE5

The 764:
http://www.continental.com/Travel/inflight/aircraft/764.asp?SID=5234ECEEE3AF4D8B8635C6614DE10C5F

The 772:
http://www.continental.com/Travel/inflight/aircraft/777.asp?SID=65105506C4334AE0800C46361B7C149B

As you can see, the pitch on all 4 in B/F is the same, 55 inches. On the 752 and 772 in coach, the pitch is 31 inches, and on the 767's, it's 32 inches.

I cannot speak for other carriers, but I imagine CO is pretty similar to other U.S. carries in this regard. No difference is there.

It isn't about pitch. It's about certain armchair CEO's not thinking a 752 is sexy enough to fly over the pond, even if it can do the job, and does fit some markets.
 
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:51 am

I did mean CLE-LGW, I would welcome 757 service between CLE-LGA. I am a big fan on the 757 on domestic flights.
 
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:06 pm

I don't see the problem flying 752 across the pond at all.
You can just imagine you are in an BBJ expecially in Business First.
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:02 pm


Alpha1, Scottish Laddie may have sampled the delights of Monarch, Air 2000 or Air Europe for his transatlantic fare i.e. charter seating capacity of around 235....slightly different to what CO offers!

David
 
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:18 pm

"My biggest problem with transatlantic 757 service is lack of room to walk around and strech, when the FA's are in the aisle you are stuck. I flew CO from CLE to LGA--it was a miserable experience."

Uaord,
it doesn't make a big difference compared to a twin aisle A/C because if the flight attendants are offering meals or drinks then they are doing it in both aisles. So you are stuck as well.
 
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:34 pm

MIASkies,
the MyTravel option is not on - they're mainly a charter outfit with charter seat pitch, and they only serve OSLO- MIA on a weekly basis. Btw, I went to MIA a few years back, through EWR, and found making the connection no hassle at all.

Tasha,
I'm sure we'll enjoy our stay.  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:04 pm

Don't choose a tube to fly on such a flight ...
 
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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Sat Jul 10, 2004 12:28 am

I flew one of our(TZ) 757-200's from PHX-OGG last year and it was fine.....and that segment lasted six and a half hours. On the return from HNL-LAX it was a 757-300 and it was just fine.

Sure it was uncomfortable sitting for that long period of time....but what airplane would be comfortable for six hours???

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RE: 752 & 753 To Europe

Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:50 am

Why do planes have isles? I thought those were in the sea.... *Aisle*, please!

I'm hoping CO or AA will start their proposed BRS-EWR service... that'd be a 757 and I'd be quite prepared to give it a try. Until then I obviously am not in a position to give a verdict.

Geoff M.

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