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MAH4546
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Official: Bmi To LAS

Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:39 am

This was talked about a week ago, and it's now official. Pending government approval, bmi will start non-stop service between Manchester and Las Vegas on 31 October 2004, three times a week:

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=287033&docketid=18625

It has been a great year for Manchester and trans-Atlantic service. American Airlines added Boston this past May and will add non-stop service to Miami on 1 November 2004, and now bmi is adding Las Vegas, in addition to Antigua, Bridgetown, and St. Lucia.
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:49 am

More international opportunities at LAS...woo-hoo!
 
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Wed Jul 14, 2004 12:47 pm

Yep!! this is great news for BD service to LAS this late fall 2004. I am really looking forward to see them.
 
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:17 pm

Maybe nice to have them in LAS.

but their strategy is more than confusing; I guess they don't have one. Leisure or business airline? They cant decide.

the LAS-move shows that an merger with VS and an repositioning of them is more than overdue!

VS for longhaul ex-lhr and BMI as a European feeder with a focus on the main business routes. Their long-hauls ex-MAN could be taken over by VS.
 
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Wed Jul 14, 2004 3:58 pm

Well this is good news I guess, although their long haul network is starting to become as confusing as their shorthaul one. How far off is bmi longhaul from making a profit? anyone got any figures? I really think that there are more proffitable routes for bmi to be using their A330's on. Anyway if they can make it work then i'm happy to be proved wrong, its just good to see an airline making a good go at a long haul hub from MAN.

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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Wed Jul 14, 2004 4:44 pm

The A330s won't be on the MAN-LAS route. It will (apparently) be a leased-in A340.

BMi have a deal with Virgin Holidays, who have launched a dedicated Manchester brochure for their vacation business. Virgin Holidays passengers will be flying on VS flights out of Manchester as well as on BMi's services.

BD is also now placing LH codeshares on its longhauls to the US from Manchester.
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:23 pm

Is BMI feeding its own MAN "Hub" from european cities ? For example, I am wondering that there is no BMI flight from CDG to MAn. Just a BMI BABY flight unable to feed the long haul network. I am also wondering that BMI stopped the BD172 flight from CDG to London (the early morning flight) as it was very popular for business travellers.

And by the way, I guess that BD is stopping the MAN-YYZ route for the winter ? Or am I wrong ?
 
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:04 pm

According to the application (PDF at the bottom of the page) they've said it will be with an A330.

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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:15 pm

Aren't these DOT applications just a formality requesting approval to operate a rouite, but not necessarily an indication that the carrier will in fact use it?

I know that bmi also filed an application several years ago to serve SFO, which was approved, but they never exercised the option to operate on it.
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:39 pm

I suppose it makes some sense to get a route before you go ahead and lease aircraft to fly it.

If they are going to use A330s they'll be busy aircraft this winter.
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:41 pm

Planenutz....I thought the same thing. I would think BMI would have SFO high on their list. Perfect feed from United. Well maybe next time!

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MAH4546
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Wed Jul 14, 2004 10:26 pm

Aren't these DOT applications just a formality requesting approval to operate a rouite, but not necessarily an indication that the carrier will in fact use it?

Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. In this case, it isn't. bmi specifically mentioned a starting date.

I know that bmi also filed an application several years ago to serve SFO, which was approved, but they never exercised the option to operate on it.

That is true. They were also approved to fly to SEA and MIA. Ideally, they wanted to launch service from Heathrow to SEA, MIA, ORD, and SFO, but, as we all know, that did not work out.

The A330s won't be on the MAN-LAS route. It will (apparently) be a leased-in A340.


bmi said they will use an A330 in their application.

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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:35 am

Yeah, they did nto work out with service to LHR. I hope will they doing well for new service from MAN-LAS into late fall 2004. Is that using with their A330 or A340?
 
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:44 am

Myk - the BD feeder flights at MAN are to/from LHR, ABZ, GLA, EDI & TLS. Many other pax are transferred to/from LH & SK flights, as well as many of the other European carriers using MAN. There always seems to be quite a few pax transferring to/from the BA BHD - MAN flights.

bmibaby (WW) do not interline in any way with bmi flights, so baggage transfer / thru check-in is NOT available. WW serves the following airports from MAN: BFS, ORK, NOC, JER, CDG, BD), France">BOD, PRG, BCN, ALC, AGP, PMI, IBZ & MJV*

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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:48 am

If BD do acquire an A340, as the word at bmi would suggest, I would not be surprised to see it on the MAN-ORD route, which is a fantastic route for cargo - the A340 would surely offer more cargo capacity than the A330-200.

[Edited 2004-07-14 17:52:04]
 
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:06 am

All three of Bmi's A330's are in use at Manchester, serving Chicago, Washington and Toronto. So they would have to lease an aircraft. If they have said they will use an A330 on the LAS route, what aircraft will be used on the current long-haul routes from Manchester?
Could this mean one of the current routes could be dropped?

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MAH4546
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:09 am

Could this mean one of the current routes could be dropped?

MAN-YYZ goes back to Air Canada at the end of October. They are also launching MAN-ANU (3w), MAN-BGI (1w), and MAN-UVF (1w) in November. And, if IIRC, IAD-MAN will be 6w. So, bringing it all together, you have three 330s and 21 weekly flights. Its a tight schedule, but works.
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whitehatter
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:24 am

It wouldn't work at all. 3 aircraft, 21 flights, no maintenance....?
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:47 am

My guess would be that an A330 would operate to LAS. During the summer an A340 will really struggle with weight restrictions due to the hot and high conditions. When VS used to operate the B742's into LAS they often had to either make a fuel stop or wait for the temp to drop in the evening before departing. The A340 will be subject to similar constraints. The only A340 which operates into LAS currently is PAL's but it leaves late at night and only has to make it as far as YVR before taking on more fuel.

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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:51 am

A little off-subject here, but does bmi still offer their New Economy (premium economy) product on trans Atlantic services?
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:37 am

GSPSPOT - yes, bmi's 3 x A330-200s are configured c24u48y172....
 
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:43 am

This is really good news for MAN, but as JoFMO mentioned before BMI do seem abit confused on their status.
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:13 am


The Caribbean services don't operate on individual days but combined - the breakdown will be something like: ORD = 7 IAD = 6 LAS = 3 Caribbean = 2 or 3? Making 18 or 19 services per week.

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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Sat Jul 17, 2004 6:30 am

I thought BMI ultimately has 5 A330's on order ?
Earlier this year there was rumours of India and South Africa too.

BD wont merge with Virgin... it's BD is SAS and Lufthansa's UK subsidiary.

but... VS's website offers seats from LHR to Lyon... who runs that for VS ?
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Sat Jul 17, 2004 6:35 am

Air France operates flights for VS from LHR to Lyon, France. Apparently, the purpose of the code-share is purely to keep slots active for VS at LHR.
 
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:54 am

The A332 will do MAN-LAS without any problem surely. Afterall EI use an A332 on DUB-LAX which is slightly longer.
 
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Mon Jul 19, 2004 5:13 am

KEwl ~ yehhh BMI . .
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gilesdavies
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Mon Jul 19, 2004 5:14 am

Why does BMI want to fly to Las Palmas when they failed on their routes to Tenerife North and South?

 
Horus
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Mon Jul 19, 2004 5:36 am

One guess could be that Tenerife is served well (maybe even saturated)compared to Las Palmas, just look at the number of flights to Tenerife on Tuesdays.

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Demoose
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Mon Jul 19, 2004 5:43 am

When was Las Palmas mentioned??

LAS = Las Vegas LPA = Las Palmas
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:02 am

I am really pleased that BMI are making MAN a long haul "hub". Good to see a UK carrier putting some long haul business our way! But if BMI can make a profit on ALL their long haul routes, im sure they will aquire more A330's and return any leased a/c they may need to bring in for the short term. Does anyone know if this a/c will be in full BMI colours or maybe all white? On another note, surely they could fill an A330/767 sized a/c on a route to LPA in the summer. BA can fill an A320 and im sure they could fill a 767 if they had the chance (and if GB operated them!), and plenty of charter carriers fill 757 after 757 a day to LPA, the traffic is there, maybe they could look at a small J cabin and mostly Y on a 767-200/300 or poss an A330/300-600R.Im sure theyd do well.
 
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:32 am

BD may very well take delivery of their fourth A330-200 from Airbus. It was scheduled to be delivered long ago, but BD switched their delivery slot with EK and keep delaying it, as the aircraft is not currently needed. Hopefully they will take the 4th (and final?) 332, and not lease in yet another aircraft type.
Nevertheless, it is good to see them finally expanding their long-haul network. Anybody else think they need a non-stop to MCO  Big grin?
 
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:38 am

BD wouldn't do MCO as VS operate the route from MAN.

BD also has a new agreement with Virgin Holidays, which is how some of the LAS traffic is going to be generated. Virgin are doing a new brochure for Manchester customers specifically.
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RE: Official: Bmi To LAS

Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:23 am

They would never use an A330 on the Las Palmas or Tenerife route. An A320 or A321 would easily do it, and how did Las Palmas come into this topic??  Confused

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