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Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:01 am

This update is merely tentative, as aircraft designation and frequencies may be adjusted over the next few months. Flight info is based upon Continental's schedule on/around December 1.

Newark to:

Amsterdam-daily 777-200ER
Birmingham-12x weekly 757-200
Brussels-daily 767-400ER
Dublin-daily 757-200
Edinburgh-5x weekly 757-200
Frankfurt-daily 767-400ER
Geneva-5x weekly 767-200ER
Glasgow-6x weekly 767-200ER
Lisbon-4x weekly 757-200; 1x weekly 767-200ER
London-daily 777-200ER; daily 767-200ER
Madrid-6x weekly 777-200ER
Manchester-daily 777-200ER
Milan-5x weekly 767-200ER
Oslo-3x weekly 757-200
Paris-daily 777-200ER; daily 767-200ER
Rome-4x weekly 767-200ER
Shannon-daily 757-200
Tel Aviv-12x weekly 777-200ER
Zurich-6x weekly 767-200ER

Houston to:

Amsterdam-daily 767-400ER
London-2x daily 777-200ER
Paris-daily 777-200ER



No winter transatlantic flights from Cleveland, as the daily 757-200 terminates on Sept 30. But it has been rumored that if loads stay strong, it might possibly stay for the winter, although this does not seem likely.

The schedule seems fairly consistent for the winter season, as Continental usually drops a frequency or two on many transatlantic routes. A few things that caught my eye were:

-The maintaining of the second daily BHX flight, 5x/week. I was shocked when Continental doubled flights on this route this summer, and having read on a.net that the second daily freq hasn't been performing too well, I am even more surprised to see that the second daily flt won't be taken away completely for the winter.

-DUB/SNN as separate flights-normally Continental combines these two cities into one flight for the winter season. Summer capacity to these markets has been increasing over the past several years, so maybe this increase in winter flights displays consistent growth in the EWR-Ireland market.

-LIS seeing the 762, even if it is only once a week. Has LIS seen any scheduled 762 service before from Continental?

-OSL/FCO will see significant capacity reductions, but being that these cities are new territory and leisure markets, respectively, it is no surprise.


Good to see that the bread-n-butter markets(LGW,CDG,and AMS) from IAH and EWR remain at almost the same capacity as they are during the summer. Also nice to see that the reinstated second daily EWR-CDG stays around even after the summer, as it was sad to see that flight dropped a year ago.
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:06 am

LIS saw a 762 once or twice last summer.

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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:06 am

or was it the summer before last?
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:13 am

Good news to see that a 777 will be used to MAN this winter instead of reverting back to 767
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:19 am

I am very surprised the BHX-EWR route is remaining double daily during the winter period too.

The flights are only about 1.5-2hrs behind each other and I think it would make more sense both economically and strategically if they only operated one flight a day with maybe a larger aircraft like the 772 or 764.

Also I think many people would prefer it if it was an operated by a widebodied aircraft because of the comfort level and facilities these offer.

I work for an Anglo/American company in the midlands in the UK and we use to fly staff on the BHX-EWR until most people flew on the 752's and said never again. We now book all our UK-EWR flights with BA despite staff having to travel 80miles to LHR as opposed to 20miles to BHX.

I spoke to my colleague who books all the travel arrangements and she said it was not for economic reasons but purely because of the amout of staff complaining who have flown the EWR-BHX route.
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:19 am

The US carriers get good cargo loads from MAN, so the 777 is a useful tool for CO on that route.

The 764s were lovely aircraft but the 777 is the true load lugger. Either would be good for passengers. CO have a bulletproof presence on the MAN-US route these days.
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:19 am

Regarding DUB/SNN, the service will apparently operate as seperate flights except for a seven week period from Jan 3 to Mid february. EI are also ramping up capacity on DUB-NYC, with up to 3 flights per day to JFK, two direct, one via SNN.
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:22 am

Edinburgh-5x weekly 757-200

I think that it would be in CO's best interests to up the frequencies on this route. It is turning out to be a very strong route in Biz class by the looks of things, and so uncreasing it to 6x weekly or even better daily I'm sure would pay off.
June saw 88% loads for EDI-EWR-EDI. Bear in mind it was the first half month of ops ever.
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:24 am

Scottishladdie,

I'm sure they are just erring on the side of caution considering it's the first year of operations. I'd expect EDI to retain it's daily operation next year if loads have been that good.
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:34 am

EWR - MAN changes back to a 764 as from 4th January 2005 and is showing a 764 till pretty much end of june. But these schedules can be changed at a later date.
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:40 am

Anyone who knows how common it is with a 757 at ZRH? I saw one last Sunday (N17133).

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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:45 am

Last numbers I saw, US Airways transported more passengers to/from MAN than CO.

Also, I'm surprised that Rome is not daily. Seems to me the market should support it, as US also sends an A333 year-round on the route and AA and DL have high frequencies, too.
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:46 am

Also, they reduce with EWR-TLV from 14x weekly to 12 weekly and what is date will use on their flight? Can you please comfirmed with the flight to TLV?
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:29 am

Also, I'm surprised that Rome is not daily. Seems to me the market should support it, as US also sends an A333 year-round on the route and AA and DL have high frequencies, too.

While AA offers double daily FCO service during the winter, they don't serve Rome at all during the winter months.
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:50 am

CO currently flies twice daily to Rome from EWR, they will go to one flight 4xs a week in the Winter. Their EWR-Milan flight will be 5xs daily in the Winter.

AA (as pointed out) does not even fly to Milan, and they only fly to Rome during the Summer months.
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:05 pm

The 757 in ZRH last week was only due to the scheduled 762 going on maintenance.

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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:34 pm

Glad to see LIS get the 767-200 once a week. What day will it be and what is the jet config-job?

Thanks!
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:55 pm

As of 19th Feb 05, it shows the the 762 to GLA goes to a 752. Again that can be changed at a later date
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:37 pm

Most of these reductions in aircraft size or in frequency are merely due to the fact that the winter season is a far less busy time for airlines, particularly on longhaul sectors such as the transatlantic market. Just because a market such as Edinburgh is receiving less flights for the winter does not mean that is underperforming or that it is a weak market. Rather, these drops in capacity are fairly customary for airlines flying across the North Atlantic during the winter, and by next April or May, service levels will be at the same level, if not higher, than they were for this summer.

Yes, it is good to see that Continental has managed to maintain a 777-200ER to Manchester these past years. It highlights a very good example of Continental's superb transatlantic strategy:testing a relatively underserved market with a 757-200, and upgrading as they see fit. Continental's buildup of service and commitment to Manchester and other markets has made it one of the strongest players in the transatlantic market. Furthermore, Continental's dedication to the UK, as seen in their opening of flights to Edinburgh this summer, clearly indicates that flights to more cities may be opened up. It has been rumored that 752 service to NCL or some other city may be inaugurated at the start of next summer, and it would not surprise me at all if they did.
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:53 pm

It will be interesting to see where the Manchester 777 goes. Perhaps given the level of fleet utilisation they want to free up an aircraft to cover stronger routes while other aircraft go for maint?

Any ideas?
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:11 pm

-OSL/CO / LIRF), Italy">FCO will see significant capacity reductions, but being that these cities are new territory and leisure markets, respectively, it is no surprise.

That is correct... Winter is low season from Europe to US and many airlines decrease frequencies then. I believe CO will again increase frequencies to those cities for summer 2005.

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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:16 pm

Have anyone heard something about new European destinations from Summer 05? I heard a rumour they want to increase their transantlantic service and destinations in the coming years!? You know any possible new European Destinations for CO in the coming years?!
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:34 pm

From Ireland/UK, I have heard Cork, Belfast, Bristol or Cardiff and Newcastle mentioned.
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2

Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:40 pm

I would expect either NCL and CWL or NCL and BRS to get flights in 05... with CO.. either using the 752 or 762...

ORK and BFS on the other hand.. well I would expect maybe perhaps ORK to get the service instead of BFS!

What does everyone else think?

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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:43 pm

It has been said that Continental will continue with their European expansion for the 2005 summer season. Personally, I'd be surprised if they didn't launch at least one or two new routes next year, from Newark and/or Houston, which is scheduled to have the final stages of its international facilities opened next year. Although I can only speculate on what has been said on these boards, I'd place good money on some of these routes:

Houston-Madrid: Really needs no explanation. With service to every capital city in Central America and flights to close to 30 Mexican destinations, the connections alone could probably support this route. I'd say that a 762 or a 764 would fit this route nicely.
Note:This market is actually currently served by Continental, as a same flt # change-of-aircraft flt via EWR. I'd see it as no coincidence if we saw nonstop IAH-MAD flights next year.

Houston-Frankfurt: Lufthansa already serves this market, but I'm sure Continental would be able to at least fill a 762 between the two major business markets. After all, AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA is the next logical destination for them from Houston, and like IAH-MAD, this route is already served as a same flt # change-of-aircraft flight via EWR. Once again, I think that it might be a possible indicator of future service to come.

Newark-Stockholm: It's been rumored that Continental is looking into more Scandanavian flights from EWR, and I believe that Delta pulled out of this market some time ago.

Newark-Moscow: Delta already serves this, but Continental may be willing to give it a shot.

Newark-Newcastle: Continental really loves the UK, especially its smaller cities that can warrant nonstop 757 service from Newark. Bristol, Leeds, and several other cities are also possible candidates.

Cleveland-Paris/Amsterdam: Not very likely, considering Continental can't even keep CLE-LGW a year-roound service, but if they determine that a sizeable market is there, they may in fact decide to launch one of these routes with a 757 for next summer. Both are Skyteam hubs, so it's up in their if they decide to fly to either one of these cities.



Anyway, it's a real toss-up in terms of what Continental might decide to do next year. Their options are a tad limited, as widebodies are not a dime a dozen for them, but by tweaking their schedule appropriately, they should be able to squeeze in a few new longhaul routes next year. They do have one 777-200ER option left, but whether or not they decide to exercise it will also be up in the air. The 757-200s will be what allow Continental to open up new routes to smaller, underserved European cities from Newark. And with the blended winglets set to be installed on 11 of them next year, their range will be increased a little bit, allowing for nonstop flights to even more cities in Europe.
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:58 pm

Ishky15,

what do you know regarding CO's 752 destinations in Europe?
Any profits to be had for CO, or just an attempt to beat the competetion?

Please be precise....

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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:01 am

Do we think CO will upgrade EDI to a B762 next summer?
I've been keeping an eye on the availability and Biz class is full for virtually the whole of August, economy class isn't as full, but being such a young route passengers haven't had time to book far in advance as often happens with economy.
It's great to see that CO can operate successfully from both GLA and EDI across the atlantic. Maybe other carriers will follow in CO's footsteps....
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:14 am

I think CO would do well connecting to ARN. SK has cut flights from there, trying to direct most pax through CPH, and Norwegians and Swedes won't have it.
The connection is open to business.

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ishky15
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:25 am

I do know that Continental has been making money by flying 757-200s across the Atlantic. Why else would they be flying them? They're a very economical airplane, in addition to them allowing Continental to "beat the competition", as you said, in many parts of Europe.

Although it is possible that Continental will upgrade Edinburgh to a 767-200ER, I don't see it as likely. First off, there are many other 757 transatlantic routes that have been served much longer, such as LIS or BHX that have been screaming for widebody service a lot longer than EDI has, and Continental is probably more obligated to upgrade those cities than a new route such as EDI. Secondly, Edinburgh is well within the range of the 757-200, and an ideal market to be served by that plane, too. Unless the flight shows signs of becoming a mega cash cow or it becomes overbooked nearly everyday, I think they'll keep it at a 757 for now. Finally, with widebodies very limited for Continental(they only have ten 767-200ERs), Edinburgh is probably not at the top of the list for service by one of them.

However, it is good to see that the flights have been performing well. Do you know if they've had any impact on the Glasgow flights?

Also, I don't think it's likely another carrier will try serving both EDI and GLA from the states like Continental does. The market just isn't that expandable, and frankly, I like the idea of Continental having a monopoly on the New York-Scotland market  Smile
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:32 am

Newark-Moscow: Delta already serves this, but Continental may be willing to give it a shot.

I would rather guess St.Petersburg (LED)... Why to compete with SU and DL on Moscow route, if you could start flying to St.Petersburg which is huge city without direct flights to US. Now Finnair's JFK flight is full of connecting passengers from St.Petersburg. I believe the demand would be high and B757-200 excellent aircraft for that route. I think there would be even demand for 767 during summer months as it would carry a lot of more cargo than B757.

Anyway, I would like to most likely see CO 757 here at Helsinki...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:34 am

Provisional loads from the CAA for June show:

EDI-EWR-EDI had 88% loads for what fraction of the month it operated
GLA-EWR-GLA had 84% loads for the month, down from the 91% loads or there abouts it apparently used to get.
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:50 am

One of CO's problems at the moment is that it hasn't got the 762s to do the upgrades!

Apparently they are pretty well maxed out at the moment, and that's one reason BHX got a double daily. There wasn't any 767 available for the route, but the demand was there for double daily so that's what happened.
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:12 am

I don't think 757s have the legs to make EWR-LED.

Another thing about 757s/762s, is people must remember the passenger difference in the two flights are actually very minimal. The 762s advantages are more premium seats and a larger cargo hold, which is why you see them to smaller "premium" markets, like Geneva.

Also, a lot of the schedule changes are not in affect for all of winter. EWR-MAD, for example, is daily again by mid-February.
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:27 am

Cleveland-Paris/Amsterdam: Not very likely, considering Continental can't even keep CLE-LGW a year-roound service, but if they determine that a sizeable market is there, they may in fact decide to launch one of these routes with a 757 for next summer. Both are Skyteam hubs, so it's up in their if they decide to fly to either one of these cities.

Both are under consideration as future routes, as well as expanding LGW to year-round.
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:38 am

MAH4546 wrote:
I don't think 757s have the legs to make EWR-LED.


You are correct... I checked the numbers. According to great circle mapper EWR-LED is 3737nm.

B757-200 with RR engines has range of 2569nm with 186pax. CO have also 5 B757-200 (ET) version which has better range, 3719nm with 186pax... However, this is still 17nm short.

B767 would be the only choice...maybe changing OSL route as 767 and continuing it to LED. Or then B757 service to HEL or ARN and continuing it to LED again. However, the problem might be are they able to get 5th freedom rights between Scandinavia and LED.

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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:39 am

I really think that it could be in CO's best interest to acquire some more widebody aircraft to expand their international network. The 752s have a limited range, and you can only juggle your schedule so much to utilize your aircraft. By now with the summer schedule, there is just no time left on any of the widebodies.
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:34 am

i wonder if we will be flying our winglet 757's over the ocean? do you think we might be able to reach LED then?
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2

Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:46 am

Continental's success in serving smaller international markets will eventually require new aircraft and the 7E7 is a perfect match.

I'm willing to bet Continental will be among the first American carrier to announce 7E7 orders late this year or next.
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:00 am

Why not a EWR/ATH or EWR/BCN? They are large markets not well served by US carriers (now only DL has flights to these destinations).
So CO should make there a lot of money especially during the summer season.
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:05 am

One of you mentioned cargo loads-When I'm traveling overseas I like to mentally calculate the revenue on the flight-but I've never had any grip of cargo revenue.

On a typical TA flight how much cargo is carried in weight -how much revenue does that calculate out to be I know there are different rates-but does such a flight carry $2k of r freight or $20K

Any ideas?
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:11 am

Interesting info concerning CO's winter schedule....a couple of comments:

1. This winter, CO will be short on 767 aircraft, as several of the fleet will be due for heavy maintenance, and the 767 fleet is supposed to be fitted with new BF seats, similiar to those found on the 777 (bit wider, few more feature, etc) which may explain some of the frequency reductions.

2. Its good to see double daily service out of EWR to LGW and CDG this winter, off season operation of the second flight (the later departure) has been on and off in the winter months during the past few winter seasons.

3. Frequency on some services are reduced, especially those to Italy, quite a bit.....likely the routes did not perform that well last winter. Although the winter schedule covers November to March, but usually most airlines take a second look at the winter schedule and make revisions for December (holiday period), February and March operation, and I would not be surprised to see some flights added back....especially if CO does have aircraft available. I do know that maintaining both the ZRH and GVA flights on a daily basis over the winter is difficult, last year the loads on these flights were not great during the winter months.

4. Interesting that service to Ireland will be with two seperate flights to SNN and DUB over the winter....this is a first, I believe. Rumor has it that next summer will see 3 757 flights to Ireland (the additional flight being a EWR-DUB-SNN-EWR flight), so this may be a preview. TLV is going very well for CO, it was just announced that CO is the biggest foreign carrier into TLV, displacing LH.

5. CO is being very conservative with its new Oslo and EDI routes over the winter, I think we may see frequency increases after Christmas (ie, before the summer schedule).


The 2005 summer schedule rumors for CO transatlantic services that I am hearing are as follows:

1. A new service to another UK regional airport out of EWR: Newcastle, Bristol, Belfast, Leeds have all been mentioned - I do not think that a selection of one of more of these (or any other UK city) has been made by CO. The service would not commence until June 2005 and be operated daily with a 752 for the summer.

2. A new service to one or more Scandinavian cities out of EWR- think Copenhagen, Stockholm and/ or Helsinki - again with 757 aircraft.

3. Although IAH-MAD has been rumored for years, its seems that we may see IAH-AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA first, and introduced for the summer 2005 timetable. The US visa issues for transit pax is the reason - CO had hoped to fly pax between Central America and Madrid via IAH (as pointed out above), but now that even transit pax require a US visa, these type of operations are extremely difficult. Remember that IB is closing its MIA mini-hub for these reasons. Look for a 764 on the IAH-AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA route.

4. Frequency will return to a daily basis for all destinations. The 762 at LIS will be a short-lived thing and the flight will go back to daily 757 service next summer. Not much swapping or upgrading of aircraft - CO is rather maxed out with its widebody fleet. EDI will stay with the 757, per what I hear, CO does not think it can fill 25 BF seats on the route.

5. CLE-LGW may become year round next winter......but the CLE-LGW flight may start up again a bit earlier than normal. CLE-AMS/CDG are still only in the discussion stage and, if introduced, it will happen only after CO is well established in SkyTeam.

6. Other destinations out of EWR are being seriously studied.......curiously, Prague seems to be a big favorite. Moscow seems to be out (per the rumor mill) but lots of talk again about Barcelona again (lots of US cruise ships operate out of Barcelona in the summer, which is an interesting market) but no mention of which aircraft type would be used.
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:25 am

B757-200 with RR engines has range of 2569nm with 186pax. CO have also 5 B757-200 (ET) version which has better range, 3719nm with 186pax... However, this is still 17nm short.

Where are you getting any of this from....?
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:25 am

CO does not think it can fill 25 BF seats on the route

Won't know without trying.  Big grin
 
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:29 am

As DL and CO seem to me the most spread over European countries, so just as comparison , look at DL transatlantic sched for winter 04/05 :


routes to NewYork :

Paris-1 daily 763 ; 5 weekly 763
Bruxelles-1 daily 763
Amsterdam-1 daily 763
Barcelona-1 daily 763 with stop in MAD
Madrid-1 daily 763
Nice-5 weekly 763
Frankfurt-1 daily 763
Moscow-1 daily 763
Venice-5 weekly 763
Rome-1 daily 763
Milan-4 weekly 763
Istanbul-4 weekly 763
Athens-4 weekly 763


routes to Atlanta :

Madrid-1 daily 763
Paris-1 daily 777 ;1 daily 763
London-1 daily 777 ;2 daily 763
Frankfurt-1 daily 777 ;1 daily 763
Stuttgart-1 daily 763
Munich-1 daily 763
Zurich-1 daily 763
Milan-1 daily 763
Rome-1 daily 763
Amsterdam-1 daily 763
Bruxelles-1 daily 763
Dublin-4 weekly ; 3 weekly via Shannon
Manchester-1 daily 763


routes to Cincinnati :

London-1 daily 763
Paris-1 daily 763
Frankfurt-1 daily 763
Amsterdam-4 weekly 763
Rome-3 weekly 763
 
flymunich
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:52 am

No rumors about new route Newark - Munich by CO im summer 05?
 
dutchjet
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:00 am

Hello FlyMunich.....

As you probably know, CO did fly EWR-Munich years ago with DC10-30s, and the route was not a success - I think that the seats were rather full but the yeilds were poor. CO blamed a lot on the very high operating costs and fees at the Munich Airport. There has been a quick rumor here and there about CO returning to Munich, nothing serious was ever planned; CO then went on to cancel its DUS service, so its seems that, like many international carriers, CO will simply serve Germany only though F R A.

As much of CO's tranatlantic expansion out of EWR will be done with 757s, CO at the moment is especially interested in UK regional airport routes and some Scandic routes which are within range of the 752 (think wiglets).

Lets hope that the long promised IAH- F R A routes is introduced.
 
FinnWings
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:07 am

Concordeboy,

Information I told was gathered from "Aircraft data & History" section of a.net, JP airline fleets and great circle mapper... Big grin

ScottishLaddie,

Maybe you should book all those 25 BF seats daily on EDI route, then you might get B762 there...  Laugh out loud

FinnWings
 
oerk
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:12 am

Continental could always try Robin Hood when it opens in Spring 2005  Smile

[Edited 2004-07-21 21:19:22]
 
desertjets
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:17 am

Typically with the winter TA frequency reductions that widebodies get redeployed elsewhere in the system... down to Florida and into the Caribean for example.

Given that a few of the 767s are due for heavy MX as mentioned above, how is the remainder of the widebody fleet going to be utilized this winter when they aren't flying over the North Atlantic?
Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
 
dutchjet
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RE: Continental Transatlantic Sched: Winter 2004-2005

Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:28 am

DesertJets, unlike many carriers, CO really does not reassign widebodies to many domestic routes during the low season - there is likely to be an EWR-SJU 767 and EWR-Santo Domingo 777 flight as in past years, a 777 may end up on the IAH-HNL run for a couple months, although this is unlikely with 12 services per week to TLV and the Hong Kong flights. Other possible routes for 767 service are EWR-LAX (sometimes 2 daily 762s), IAH-LAX (sometimes a 764 as a continuation of the LAX-HNL flight with an additional 762 rotation), CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO-IAH plus 767/777 aircraft rotating between EWR and IAH with several flights per day.

Remember, CO's 767/777 fleet must also handle the Japan, Hong Kong, Hawaiian, Micronesia and Brazil routes in addition to the transatlantic service....the schedule is rather intense this summer, so some down time in the winter months can be expected.

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