I think hell will freeze over before WN gets a non-737! If they wanted something on the 717 class, I assure you they would get a 737-600.
almost switched to MD
-80s in the early '80s. MDD offered WN
basically the same offer that eventually go AA
to take up the MD
-80. Boeing offered a slightly sweetened deal on the 737-300, and so they stayed a 737 operator.
Should DL replace some of its RJ routes to mainline; they could possibly look into the 717 for routes too small for their 732s.
While I don't doubt the 717 could be a 732 replacement, as I recall, they are approximately the same size (within 5-10 seats).
nonetheless i'd love to see a major pickup the 712 and then demand a 713 to go along with it
I'd also like to see this!
But I don't see it happening unless AA
starts looking for a single type to replace both F.100s and MD
-80s, without major crew re-training... Even then, they'd need a HGW version of the 713, since some of those MD
-80s fly routes over 2000nm...
I would like to see that but isn't that a MD-90 which Boeing dumped because it was too close in size to the 737NGs?
Yes, it is similar in size to the 73G but no, it is not the MD
-90. The MD
-90 and MD
-95/717 are two different aircraft. The current 717-200 is equivalent to the MD
-95-30. The 717-300 (proposed) would be similar to the already-engineered MD
if a 717-200 airline who does not want to put a 737-800 on their certificate because of the cost and complexity of two types
The 713 would not compete with the 738. The 717-200 competes indirectly with the 736/A318. The 717-300 would compete indirectly with the 73G/A319.
The 717-300 would have been an MD90 with Rolls Royce in lieu of V2500
No, no, no, NO!!!
The 717 and MD
-90 are two completely different aircraft. As I said before, the MD
-90 was an MD
-80 extension. The 717-300 would be an extension of the MD
-95 program, which is a DC-9 extension. I realize that doesn't seem like a significant difference, but when you consider weight, wing, and other factors, it makes a HUGE difference in performance!
Hell, WN would probably even have 2-class if they had the 717 instead of the 737!
bought an MD
-80 operator in the southeast US that had larger seats up front. Before getting rid of these MD
got rid of the big seats. Of course, the fact that no one was sititng in them because they though they had to pay extra for them didn't help...
seems to me that a 713 would be closer in size to a dc-9-50 and smaller than the md90??
Again, why would they go through the trouble of making the 717 two rows longer (from a DC9-40 size to a DC9-50 size)...that means a LOT of engineering work for something that is nearly the same...when the MD90 ALREADY exhists and has the RANGE too.
operates the 717 at 117 seats in 2-class configuration. Most airlines would operate 108-112 seats. AA
with MRTC would operate only 96 in the 712 (same size as NJ
would have had). The 717-200 is roughly a DC-9-30 sized aircraft. The 717-300 (proposed) would be a DC-9-50 sized aircraft. Both are slightly
larger than their predecessors. The 717-300 would operate with 137 seats for FL
, if I recall correctly.
i'm really surprised airtran hasn't gotten boeing to work on a 713
They did, but Boeing wasn't willing or able to give it the transcon-range that FL
Range has always been the downside, even on the 90's.
I don't see how. Except for BOS
, the MD
-90 could do just about any trans-con.
I understand some of your reply #51. Can you clarify your third paragraph?
i wonder where they'd put the additional fuel tanks so that it could fly transcontinental...?
If an airline were willing to give up the cargo payload, they could do it the same way they get 2000nm from the 717-200: Cut into the hold and put in some tanks. But Boeing has already said they don't want to do this.
i'd bet that almost all of AA's additional md80s came from the acquisition of TWA. does anyone know for sure that they've been scooping up used md80s elsewhere...?
As far as I know, AA
has 350 MD
-80s, of which 90 or so came from TWA.
If they have 300 MD-80s they better have about 20 for spare parts!
Actually, Boeing still has the ability to produce spare parts for these aircraft. "New" parts is a lucrative business for any manufacturer.
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