cragley
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Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:38 am


ok folks.

Name one route that 1 airline has a monopoly on.
And is it really that profitable?

 
flyboyaz
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:46 am

HP PHX-ANC...I don't know if it's profitable, I would imagine so...it's packed everyday.
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ei2ksea
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:51 am

Exactly what do you mean? If you mean a nonstop route that only 1 airline flies then there are hundreds, however if its a monopoly in that even a connection is impossible then its anybodies guess!

Some of AS's routes in Alaska they have to themselves and are supposed to be good moneymakers if its the latter.
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keno
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:53 am

I think we need to define what monopoly actually means. For example PK is the only carrier linking London-Karachi but it is equally convenient (and a better product) to fly with 1 stop in the Gulf on QR, GF or EK. In this case, does PK still considered to have a monopoly on that route?

A truly monopoly route would be something like Papeete-Easter Island where the alternative to flying non-stop on LA would be unthinkable.
 
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:59 am

London (all airports) to Strasbourg. I believe Ryanair operated from Stanstead but this service no longer exists (pressure from Air France?). The only direct service is with Air France from London City. This is surprising bearing in mind that the EEC headquarters are in Strasbourg.

Flybe did advertise the route from Gatwick but the service never materialized.

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adipasqu
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:59 am

There are going to be tons if you define a monopoly as the only airline to have a non-stop between two points:

AS SEA-BUR (and probably many more into CA if you include Horizon)
AS SEA-Alaska minus ANC
AS All Intra-Alaska Flights
NW SEA-MEM
NW SEA-AMS
NW SEA-NRT
NW SEA-MSP
NW SEA-DTW
BA SEA-LHR
HP SEA-PHX
DL SEA-CVG
DL SEA-ATL
CO SEA-IAH
CO SEA-CLE

As you can see, there many up here out of SEA that I can think of just off the top of my head. With so many hub and spoke airlines there has to be a multitude of them out there.
707 712 722 732 733 734 735 73G 738 739 741 742 744 752 753 762 763 764 772 773 D9S D10 319 320 321 332 M80 M82 M83 M87 M88 M90 SF3 ERJ CRJ
 
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 1:02 am

Air Wales anywhere out of Swansea- can't be profitable as they are pulling out in October.

Air Wales CWL-LCY: loads are pretty good whenever I fly the route.
 
BCAL
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 1:12 am

I would define a "monopoly" not as a route on which only one airline operates but a route on which only one airline is permitted to operate.

BA is the only airline to fly direct from SEA to LHR but (assuming they had the slots available at LHR) there is nothing to prevent AA/UA (assuming that they have hubs in SEA) from starting up a direct service on the route if they thought there was sufficient demand.

I quoted London to Strasbourg since I believe that Ryanair operated on this route but pressure from Air France and the French Government forced them to pull out. Flybe did advertise the route on their website, but the service never started. Pressure from Air France again? If this is the case, Air France has a monopoly on this route.
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:03 am

British Airways from London to Bermuda. 'Monopoly' because of Cabotage!

Similarly Providenciales and Grand Cayman are Cabotage. Nassau is another one, but not cabotage.


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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:16 am

AV BOG-FLL
AV CLO-PSO
 
alphascan
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:25 am

Adipasqu:

Point well made but don't forget little Sun Country on the MSP/SEA route.
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swissgabe
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:35 am

Continental Micronesia
HNL-MAJ-KWA-KSA-PNI-TKK-GUM vv.
- not sure, but since they sell mainly full fare tix, I guess so

Lao Airlines
all routes except VTE-BKK vv. VTE-HAN vv. and LPQ-CNX vv.
- guess not very much

Air Koryo
on all routes, except FNJ-SHE vv.
- highly doubt, government supported

SriLankan Airlines
CMB-ZRH/LHR/AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA/CDG vv. and MLE-ZRH/LHR vv. (scheduled service)
- can't comment

Malaysia Airlines
ZRH-KUL vv.
- I doubt

Berjaya Air
KUL-PKG/TOD, TOD-XSP etc
- don't know
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LRGT
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:38 am

I would define a "monopoly" not as a route on which only one airline operates but a route on which only one airline is permitted to operate.

I think you people are reading too much into this. We want to know about routes that are underserved and thus typically:

(a) fly full or close to it; and
(b) have high average fares considering the distance of the flight compared with other flights that are the same distance

IS THAT CORRECT???

What about:
EWR-BOS (compare to PHL-BOS which is same distance but much cheaper)
EWR-MDW/ORD
EWR-FLL (compare to PHL-FLL which is same distance but much cheaper)
BOS-BUF
LAX-HNL (compare to $99 transcon for the same distance)
LAS-HNL (compare to $99 transcon for the same distance)
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bobnwa
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:39 am

Cragley,

I think you should explain better what you are looking for. There are hundreds of routes that only has one airline. Is this what you want?
 
IAD777
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:49 am

There are tons of routes in the US and all over the world on which a single airline flies a non-stop route.

As for the definition of monopoly in this specific case, I would say that althought stopping over is a close subsitute to the direct flight, there is still only one sellar of this particular good (which is a non-stop flight) which is a monopoly.

I would also argue that in many cases code-shares are also monopolies. Say 2 airlines offer non-stop flights on the same route and enter a code-share agreement. Example being Washington Dulles to Frankfurt. Lufthansa and United offer services but are in a code-share agreement, thus they sell tickets on the other airline, set the prices and control the prices etc. In this case, a code-share is an agreement to not compete and to fix prices.

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panam330
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:52 am

"NW SEA-NRT"

Wrong. UA operates the route non-stop as well. UA875/UA876. Operated by a Boeing 777-200ER.

As for more monopolized routes, anything non-stop from MSP on NW, except to major cartel hubs (ORD, ATL, etc). Think about it- who the hell else flies to GFK  Big grin?
 
haveric
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:13 am

Think of all of the inter-hub routes of the major US carriers:

PHL-PIT, ORD-IAD (anyone ever see piddly AE and Indy air competition), CLT-PIT, MEM-DTW, MEM-MSP, DTW-MSP, IAH-EWR, ATL-CVG, ATL-SLC, etc etc etc...
 
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:26 am

There is a small German airline called Luftfahrtgesellschaft Walter aka LGW, they have the monopoly on every route they are flying and it seems that is the only way for them to earn money, as soon as a (cheaper) competitor appears, they stop flying the route.

Patrick

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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:31 am

CWL-AMS with KL..

KL is the only airline allowed to operate that route directly as AMS is very short on slots..

Air Wales used to operate CWL-SWS-AMS but as they are pulling out of SWS they may introduce a CWL-AMS service.. somehow!

Regards,

Chris
 
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:04 pm

Air New Zealand. Auckland - Rarotonga, Auckland - Norfolk Island, Auckland - Tonga, Auckland/Christchurch - Tokyo, Auckland - San Francisco, Christchurch to Los Angeles.

Qantas. Auckland - Adelaide

Malaysian Airlines. Auckland - Kuala Lumpur.

Just a hand ful going from AKL/NZAA.  Smile
 
keno
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:18 pm

Malaysia Airlines fly 22x 747-400s a week between KUL and LHR/MAN. A huge monopoly.

51 out of 57 weekly flights between KUL and Australia/NZ are operated by MH.

What a shame that BA & QF are not interested to resume any of these routes. Oh well... more money for us to make  Big thumbs up
 
uadc8contrail
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:29 pm

total control of routes by one carrier????look at ua and den....f9 competes but on a smaller scale
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soups
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 8:36 pm

BEY-ACC
BEY-LOS
BEY-KAN
BEY-ABJ
JNB-ACC
JNB-ABJ
JNB-LOS
BEY-KUL
Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
 
soups
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 8:45 pm

ACC-DXB
LOS-DXB
ADD-Niamey

JNB-ADD ET use to have a huge monopoly SAA started this route and had to close it down due to poor PAX load it now codeshares with ET
Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
 
cerezoc
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 9:15 pm

I think AA have a monopoly in the route mia-sju. Nobody else fly to sju from mia

 
HlywdCatft
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 9:58 pm

Half of DTW routes are monopolies.


DTW-NRT
DTW-KIX
DTW-NGO
DTW-FCO
DTW-AMS
DTW-CDG
DTW-MEX
DTW-LGW (since BA flies to LHR)
DTW-Ottawa
DTW-Montreal


DTW-SFO
DTW-anything in Michigan, Indiana or Ohio with exception of CLE, but Continental is a Northwest partner anyway)
DTW-anything in Kentucky except CVG with Comair, but Comair is a partner of Northwest)
DTW- anything in Tennessee except Nashville
DTW-SEA
DTW-New York area other than LGA which has Spirit and Eagle, otherwise its Northwest and its partners Comair and Continental
DTW-BOS
DTW-SAN


 
alespesl
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:27 pm

EWR-PRG-EWR
YYZ-PRG-YYZ
YUL-PRG-YUL
JFK-PRG-JFK

is operated only by Czech Airlines. Not other airline flies this route directly.



[Edited 2004-07-24 15:28:12]
 
RCS763AV
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:08 am

Also;
AV BOG-EJA
AV CLO-Tumaco (don´t know the code)
AV BAQ-MIA (until P5 starts service)
CM CLO-PTY
CO BOG-IAH
DL BOG-ATL
BA BOG-LHR (until fenix starts service)
AF BOG-CDG ("")
 
aa61hvy
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sun Jul 25, 2004 2:16 am

AA:
DFW-DAY
DFW-AA), Japan">NRT
KE:
DFW-SEL
Go big or go home
 
ND
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sun Jul 25, 2004 2:53 am

Would CO IAH-EWR count?

EK DXB-CDG

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northernlights
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sun Jul 25, 2004 3:08 am

ICELANDAIR
All scheduled flights destinations!!! (with exceptions, see below)

KEF-BWI
KEF-MSP
KEF-JFK
KEF-MCO
KEF-OS / KBOS), USA - Massachusetts">BOS
KEF-OSL
KEF-ARN
KEF-HEL
KEF-AMS
KEF-AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA
KEF-HAM
KEF-SXF
KEF-MUC
KEF-ZRH
KEF-CDG
KEF-GLA
KEF-BCN
KEF-MAD
KEF-MXP

Exceptions:
LHR - Iceland Express LCC as competitor
CPH - Iceland Express LCC as competitor
VIE - Operated in codeshare with OS/NG (NG aircraft)
 
copaair737
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sun Jul 25, 2004 4:12 am

how about these

UA Express:

SFO-MOD
LAX-Oxnard
LAX-El Centro
SFO-SMF
SJC-SBA
SFO-ACV
FAT-VIS

AA Eagle

SJC-SBP


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Arcano
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sun Jul 25, 2004 5:48 am

LAN from SCL:

In Chile: Easter Island (IPC), Punta Arenas (PUQ), Copiapo (CPO), La Serena (LSC), Valdivia (ZAL), El Salvador (ESR), Osorno (ZOS)

In UK (at least legally): Malvinas/Falklands Islands Mount Pleasant

In France: Papeete (PPT), French Polinesia

In Argentina: Mendoza (MDZ), Cordoba (COR), Rosario (R OS) and Bariloche (BRC). Although you can fly via EZE on AR (except from MDZ)

In Oceania: Auckland and Sydney (although you can do it via EZE on AR)
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BlueSky1976
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sun Jul 25, 2004 6:34 am

LOT Polish has monopoly on all tranceatlantic flights and domestic passenger service in Poland.

ORD - WAW
JFK - WAW
EWR - WAW
YYZ - WAW

there are also some seasonal flights from those airports into II International (KRK / EPKK), Poland">KRK.
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greatansett
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sun Jul 25, 2004 7:14 am

Ansett was the only Australian carrier to service Hamilton or Hayman (I can't remember) Island until 1999 (That's because they owned the airport and one of the major hotel's on the Island but sold both in 1999 to raise capital to restructure the airline).

Was it profitable? In the winter season it was less then profitable but in the summer season there was good money. Ansett offered 767-200's on the route in the summer season, along with BAe 146-300's, 737-300's (and 200's) and A320-200's. In the winter season Ansett offered all the type's above except the 767-200's.

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bigb
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:43 am

CO

IAH-EWR
IAH to many mexican cities
IAH to many US Destinations.
 
StarGoldLHR
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sun Jul 25, 2004 10:43 am

VLM has monopoly on

LCY - Liverpool
LCY - MAN
So far in 2008 45 flights and Gold already. JFK, IAD, LGA, SIN, HKG, NRT, AKL, PPT, LAX still to book ! Home Airport LCY
 
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sun Jul 25, 2004 10:44 am

Air Mickey

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So far in 2008 45 flights and Gold already. JFK, IAD, LGA, SIN, HKG, NRT, AKL, PPT, LAX still to book ! Home Airport LCY
 
nonrevman
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:18 am

DFW once had three carriers serving St. Louis nonstop. Delta cut its flights a long time ago and AA absorbed TWA when they flew the route. Now, AA is the only one serving this route. Southwest cannot go fro Love Field to STL due to the limitations of the Wright Amendment.
 
CMK10
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:29 am

AA's RDU-LGW. It's their most profitable route and no one else has ever attempted it.
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flybyguy
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RE: Route Monopoly

Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:12 pm

Up here at Cornell University in Ithaca, NY USairways basically has a monopoly on all flights out of this town... ITH-PHL, ITH-LGA so on and so forth... average cost for these flights $450 RT. Outrageous!!! No wonder SYR is the most popular venue around here. It may be a half hour drive, but you can slash at least $150 off your plane ticket.
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