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DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:26 am

I read on Seatguru that some DL Caribbean 757s have 20 F/C seats instead of 24. (Supposedly w/ leg rests)

Is this the case and, if so, are these only used on Caribbean routes?

Are they the former 757 F/C seats w/ legrests added or are they new seats?

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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:34 am

I have never heard of this, but I can only find one type of main-line DL 757.

I cannot really understand why Delta would go to the trouble of only removing one row of seats, unless that is the way the planes were to begin with.

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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:49 am

Hey Will, I cant understand either.

I've been on a few DL 75's in F/C and I've never seen this.

Anyone at DL w/ info???
 
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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:09 am

If I remember correctly DL configued a few (4-5) with an enhanced first class for there Latin America flights from Atlanta. This would have been before the 737-800 arrived.
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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:13 am

Delta 757 "F" Class cabin


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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:17 am

I count 20 F class seats in the first picture above.
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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:17 am

Delta 757 "F" Class cabin
Do note that pictures do not always represent a fleet-wide configuration.

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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:21 am

Bluejackets-

Those pics are of the old F/C seats on the 757 (taken in 2001) and you can not see Row 1 which is why you count 20, when there are actually 24.

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Thanks for the pics but I'm aware of what the 757 looks like inside and out.

Anyone that actually works for DL and knows for certain that can assist here??


 
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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:10 am

I suspect you might be thinking of the ex-ATA aircraft that DL has. They have (or had?) a slightly different seat configuration, and they tended to fly to southern destinations because the of increased operating gross weight. Not sure if any of them ever had leg rests?

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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:22 am

I have never seen 20 ~ Below is the current seat map avail on deltas site ~



ing Span: 124 ft 10 in (38 m)
Length: 155 ft 3 in (47.3 m)
Tail Height: 44 ft 6 in (13.6 m)
Seat Width/Pitch: First class: 20.75 in/37-38 in (53 cm/94-97 cm)
Economy class: 17 in/31-33 in (43 cm/79-84 cm)
Under Seat Dimensions: First class: 7-17x20x10 in (18-43x51x25 cm)
Economy class: 13-19x15x10 in (33-48x38x25 cm)
Accommodation: 180, 182 or 183 passengers
Cruising Speed: 528 mph (850 km/h)
Range: 2,620 miles (4,215 km)
Engine: 2 jet engines, wing mounted
Cargo Capacity: 1,785 cu ft (50.5 cu m)
Bin Space: Forward Cargo Compartment Fwd of Door: 55W x 42.5H
AFT Cargo Compartment Fwd of Door: 55W x 44H


Also I noticed that they still post their MD-11's on their fleet list. . I didnt think they flew it anymore. anyone know the current routes for DL MD-11?
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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:48 am

Please - only respond to my original post if you work for DL and have actual knowledge that is useful and pertains to my original post.
 
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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:15 am

How many DL 757s have the new 757-300 style interiors at DL... I know there are some! But for some reason I believe they are all song birds?
 
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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:34 am

How many DL 757s have the new 757-300 style interiors at DL... I know there are some! But for some reason I believe they are all song birds?
Delta does not have any 753s. The only American carriers that I can think of that have 753s are ATA, CO, and NWA.

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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:45 am

SafetyDude,

He asked if any, or how many, Delta 757-200's have the new 757-300 style interior... Not whether or not Delta has 757-300's.


As for the question, The only 757's that I know of with new interiors are the Song jets.
 
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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:50 am

He asked if any, or how many, Delta 757-200's have the new 757-300 style interior... Not whether or not Delta has 757-300's.
If DL does not have any 753s, then they cannot have a 753 interior on their 752s, and what Boeing comes up with for interiors is completely customizable by airline.

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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:57 am

Why of course they can, SafetyDude.. Look at the 717 and the newer 737's, up through the 777 and the 767's... They all have that wavy ceiling thing going on. Its possible and yes, it does happen.

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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:39 am

DL has 4 ex-ATA's 757 aircraft that are used for Latin America Routes (not necessarily Caribbean Routes). These aircraft have 22 F and 156 Y seats. Each of the 22 F seats have 45" of pitch and leg rests. They are identical to newer F/C seats except with the addition of the legrest and additional recline.

The Tail Numbers are 6901 through 6904. These aircraft also have Dual HF radio to fly into airports with high elevation and limited radio coverage.

These aircraft rotate through DL's system when not flying to BOG or LIM.

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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:10 am

Why of course they can, SafetyDude.. Look at the 717 and the newer 737's, up through the 777 and the 767's... They all have that wavy ceiling thing going on. Its possible and yes, it does happen.
Yes, but that is not as logical as assuming that he was asking about DL's 753s.

How many DL 757s have the new 757-300 style interiors at DL
This whole situation could have been avoided if "at DL" was left out. Then again, not to many people read their posts.  Insane

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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:14 am

FINALLY! Someone who actually answered my questions.

Thanks, Mikeymike!!! I appreciate the info.
 
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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:15 am

Will DL eventually give up its entire 757 fleet to Song?
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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:09 am

Will DL eventually give up its entire 757 fleet to Song?

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Or, will Song cease to exist and give its entire 757 fleet back to Delta?

This question, any many others, may be answered shortly when DL announces its reorganization plan and strategy.
 
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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:30 pm

I would not look to see Song cease to exist. During a recent roadshow, Jerry spoke of his views on Song. He said that when he first heard about it, he was not optimistic at all. He was willing to give it a try as long as they put the name Swan infront of Song.

Since he has become CEO, he has taken much interest into Song and admits that he now can see Song's purpose, focus, and product and he is happy with the results. He believes that Song is something that Delta can use to better the bottom line.
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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:52 pm

On the Delta seat map, there's a row 18 listed .. but every DL 757 I've been on has no row 18 - cabin class starts at row 19, which is the "bulkhead" row just aft of door 2R.

There are also *some* DL 757s that have no gaspers (the little overhead airjets for each seat) as well as a different configuration for the galley/lavatory at the rear of the FC cabin, just forward of doors 2L and 2R ... are these the 4 ex-ATA aircraft?

BTW - those row 19 seats, in D, E and F are the best seats on the airplane ! You have something like 12 feet of legroom, and you're literally feet away from the galley (and often, bored flight attendants who like to talk and refill your drinks).

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E: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:34 pm

If memory serves me correctly, from 1999-2000 as a ramp rat in CHS, we quite often saw the ex-ATA 75's that DL got. The only difference between those aircraft and regular DL 757 was the wheel and brake assembly. Those aircraft, ships 6901-6904, I think, had a spare assembly in Bin number 1. DL also has a 757 that was ordered by another airline ( N690PC, I think) with the only difference being the aft lavatory drain was on the left hand side of the fuselage. To the best of my knowledge, the seat config was the same.


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RE: DL 757s

Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:48 pm

On the Delta seat map, there's a row 18 listed .. but every DL 757 I've been on has no row 18 - cabin class starts at row 19, which is the "bulkhead" row just aft of door 2R.

All of the aircraft that had the "Supergalley" and row 18 have now been converted to song.

There are also *some* DL 757s that have no gaspers (the little overhead airjets for each seat) as well as a different configuration for the galley/lavatory at the rear of the FC cabin, just forward of doors 2L and 2R ... are these the 4 ex-ATA aircraft?

Yes, these are the ex- Singapore/ATA planes.

DL also has a 757 that was ordered by another airline ( N690PC, I think) with the only difference being the aft lavatory drain was on the left hand side of the fuselage. To the best of my knowledge, the seat config was the same.


N900PC was ordered by a Chinese airline and delivered to DL in their configuration (3 class). It took several months to install DL galleys, lavs and seats.
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RE: DL 757s

Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:19 am

If I am not mistaken, Don't all ATA's 757s have RR engines? If this is the case, why would DL (a PW 757 operator), be operating these aircraft with different engines?

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RE: DL 757s

Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:19 am

The DL operated ex-ATA a/c have Pratts.

They originally flew to BOG, SJO and LIM. They now only fly to BOG and domestic flights since LIM and SJO have been upgraded to 767 flying.

Anyone know if the SJO flights will revert to 757 when they go double daily in DEC or will it be split 767-200 and 757?
 
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RE: DL 757s

Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:21 am

If I am not mistaken, Don't all ATA's 757s have RR engines? If this is the case, why would DL (a PW 757 operator), be operating these aircraft with different engines?

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The first group of 757s in the ATA fleet had PW engines, those 757s were phased out in favor of RR powered 757 aircraft. I think that the four ex-ATA 757s in Delta's fleet started their lives with Singapore Airlines......SQ had four 757s for a rather short period, all four went on to ATA, and then joined the DL fleet.
 
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RE: DL 757s

Thu Jul 29, 2004 3:20 pm

I believe that the ex-ATA aircraft were also ER models. DL does not keep them up to ER standards now however. This is what a DL captain told me about them, he also said that DL had looked at using these aircraft flying some transatlantic flights from JFK (never happened of course). But they are able to bring them back to ER status if they wished.
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