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Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:16 pm

Official

Virgin has placed firm orders for 13 planes, which will be
delivered between 2006 and 2008. The airline has options on 13
additional aircraft which would be delivered after 2008, said Paul
Moore, a spokesman for the airline.

No mention of A380 in aricle
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:17 pm

Too bad, I was kind of hoping that Virgin Atlatnic Airlines would be going for the Boeing 777.
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:24 pm

No mention if the 3 UFO A346 on Airbus order book is them.
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:40 pm

Not economical, not reliable, too heavy, dominated by competition, the operators do not like it.
-> I think the A340-600 is doing quite well ( of course they gave them away for free  Big grin )
 
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:05 pm

Aerosol,

you summed up the wellknown disadvantages of the A346 quite well that make them so hard to sell...
And its clear for everbody now that VS doesn´t like them and always had problems!

Still I´m amazed of the accelerated growth of Virgin. I can remember how many said they would be one of the main candidates to go under after 911.
 
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:16 pm

Yes Na, Everyone at Virgin hates them so much they've just ordered another 26!

I work for them mate and I thought it was going to be one of the first casualties of 9/11 too, thankfully things were pulled together.

[Edited 2004-08-05 09:19:44]
 
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:36 pm

Yes, since the 772LR/773ER entered the market "the drama" for Airbus continues..
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:46 pm

Wheres this article then? Theres no mention of it from the VS website yet.

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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:51 pm

Airbus does not seem to know about this yet - they are still on their Farnborough order on the website.

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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:54 pm

Here it is

Virgin Atlantic Buys Airbus Planes Worth $5.5 Billion (Update2)

(Adds background on Airbus from ninth paragraph.)

By Rebecca Barr and Douglas Hardy
Aug. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd., the
airline controlled by U.K. billionaire Richard Branson, ordered
26 A340-600 planes from Airbus SAS worth about $5.5 billion as it
seeks to double in size over the next five years.
Virgin Atlantic chose planes from Airbus, the world's
largest maker of commercial aircraft, over those from Boeing Co.
because passengers prefer the four engines of the A340s to the
two engines on Boeing's 777, Branson said in an interview.
``About 20 percent of passengers will go out of their way
for four engines,'' Branson said. ``These planes are very fuel
efficient and customer friendly.''
The order is the biggest ever for Crawley, England-based
Virgin Atlantic, which flies more than 20 long-haul routes to
North America, Asia and Africa. The airline operates a fleet of
13 Boeing 747-400s, seven A340-600s and nine A340-300s. It has
five more A340-600s and six A380s on order.
snip
Virgin has placed firm orders for 13 planes, which will be
delivered between 2006 and 2008. The airline has options on 13
additional aircraft which would be delivered after 2008, said
Paul Moore, a spokesman for the airline.
Airbus last year overtook Boeing to become the world's
biggest commercial aircraft maker, after it delivered 305 planes
to Boeing's 281. This year Airbus will deliver more than 305
planes, Chief Executive Noel Forgeard said at the Farnborough Air
Show last month, compared with 285 planned for Boeing.
snip

From Bloomberg, Reuters, Virgin and Airbus
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:01 pm

Just spoken to the MD of Bloomberg TV in UK and it's true!

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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:14 pm


Here's a link to another source:

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040805/transport_virgin_2.html

This places into a strange light the pundits here who IIRC had "knowledge" that Virgin was very unhappy with the A346.
 
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:25 pm

Joni-- This places into a strange light the pundits here who IIRC had "knowledge" that Virgin was very unhappy with the A346.

A lot of these folks have likely sadly just been raised on nationalist zealotry. So it may take a number of years yet before that gets significantly purged, from out of their systems  Laugh out loud


About the article and news though, seems to me that Branson's comment about some passengers going out of their way to fly a four-engined plane is quite justified. Especially for trans-Pacific runs and/or flight segments longer than about ten hours or so.
 
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:29 pm

"Virgin Atlantic chose planes from Airbus, the world's largest maker of commercial aircraft, over those from Boeing Co. because passengers prefer the four engines of the A340s to the two engines on Boeing's 777, Branson said in an interview."

Well, isn't that nice...  Yeah sure
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:30 pm

"About 20 percent of passengers will go out of their way
for four engines''

Is he kidding? Does he honestly believe that any passenger would actually pay a higher fare to ride on four engines instead of two? In my eyes Branson just became Leahy Light.

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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:30 pm

Launch customers are never happy, that's why they get nice deals to become a launch customer. Just because you were unhappy 24 months ago, doesn't mean you're unhappy now. The launch of the A346 was not pretty, however the majority of difficulties have now been ironed out however. VIR are also suffering internally due to lack of engineering staff, which isn't helping.

VIR/Airbus have a good and strong relationship, and clearly they are happy with the A346 performance.
 
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:33 pm

They already fly 7 and have 5 on order ?



does that make howmany in the next 4-5 yrs ?

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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:36 pm

It would be naive to believe that four-engines isn't a factor in some areas of the industry. I recently had the opportunity to speak to 2 Chinese pilots, and both mentioned that their airline and pilots had a preference for four engines for longhaul. Whether such a preference is justified or not, it is out there. How important it is can be very subjective, however as of today, the A340 series is the only Western built aircraft in its class with four engines.
 
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:12 pm

obviously VS don't like the A346.

wow 20% of passengers go out of their way to fly on something with four engines. Is that really a reason to go order more aircraft with four engines?. I think Airbus gave them a better price the Boeing. If thats a global figure then how much of that 20% is VS going to actually be getting. Not alot I would think.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:56 pm

KEESJE, if VS receives all the ordered aircraft plus the options, they will have 38 A340-600's
 
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:38 pm

Well done to Airbus and Boeing. I guess for real confirmation on how bad Airbus planes are, you just look at the order book. Not so sure on the 4 holer issue, but it's Branson's airline he know best.
 
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:42 pm

Man, this will ruin ConcordeBoy's day...
 
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:45 pm

Dakota,

Any idea if the 3 UFO A346 orders listed by Airbus earlier this year constitute part of this order?

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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:56 pm

"I think Airbus gave them a better price the Boeing."

IIRC the A346 is $30 million cheaper per airframe than the 773 and that is without any discounts.

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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:17 pm

The final result.......in the press release from Reuters (which is far more reliable than Bloomberg), it says that Airbus, when asked for comment, refused to confirm the order - I wonder why - isnt that strange? Also, the spokesman that leaked this news on the Virgin side says there are still details to work out, and media-happy Branson is not yet all over the place announcing and talking about this very big order - also quite strange. This new order is not being treated in normal Virgin style. Any ideas?

I was hoping for a 777 order, but I congradulate Airbus on their success. Hopefully, this will put an end to all of the unconfirmed rumors about the A346.

 
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:18 pm

Any idea if the 3 UFO A346 orders listed by Airbus earlier this year constitute part of this order?


There were two, not three, and no this is separate.

So there are still 5 remaining of the first order and firmed up options, plus this 13, makes 18 remaing firm planes to deliver.

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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:42 pm

EADS has confirmed the order! :-d

( Airbus is an EADS joint Company with BAE Systems. )

http://www.eads.com/frame/lang/en/1024/xml/content/OF00000000400004/6/03/31000036.html

Toulouse, 05 August 2004

Virgin Atlantic Airways has committed to take delivery of another 13 new Airbus A340-600s and taken options on 13 more, in its largest ever aircraft deal.

Deliveries to the airline will start in the first half of 2006. The A340-600, like the smaller capacity A340-500, is powered by four high-bypass ratio Rolls-Royce Trent 500 engines, burning up to 20 per cent less fuel than older generation jet aircraft, while providing the aircraft with outstanding range and payload performance that is unmatched by any competing aircraft.

Virgin Atlantic had previously committed to 12 A340-600s, of which seven have already been delivered to serve the carrier’s routes to the USA, Asia and Africa. A further five will be delivered by 2006. The latest commitment will take Virgin Atlantic’s A340-600 fleet to 25 aircraft, and to 38 with the exercise of the options.

“The Airbus A340-600 is a phenomenal aircraft,” said Virgin Atlantic Airways Chairman Sir Richard Branson. “The orders for A340-600s and A380s that we now have will allow us to add two or three more routes per year, as well as expand capacity to existing destinations,” he added.

In total, Virgin Atlantic’s A340-600 can seat 306 passengers.

“I’m delighted about Virgin’s decision to expand its fleet with the A340-600 It is the most advanced and innovative aircraft in its category and as Virgin shares Airbus’ taste for innovation and excellence, I know that Virgin Atlantic is taking full advantage of the A340-600’s great potential,” said Noël Forgeard, President and CEO of Airbus.

The A340-600 is the most advanced aircraft flying today. It enjoys state-of-the-art features — such as weight-saving composite structures, a fuel-saving aerodynamic design that includes wingtip-fences, and pilot and mechanic friendly cockpits, flight controls and systems. This technology fit comes as standard in all Airbus aircraft, at no extra charge.

The A340-600 is the largest member of Airbus’ A330/A340 Family, the market leading aircraft family in the 250-375-seater segment. More than 820 firm orders from over 60 customers have been booked, with a current market share of 57 per cent with respect to directly competing models.

Airbus is an EADS joint Company with BAE Systems.
 
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:51 pm

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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:53 pm

Amazing news, lots more VS A346's for me to see in HKG.
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:06 pm

Any idea if the 3 UFO A346 orders listed by Airbus earlier this year constitute part of this order?

There were two, not three, and no this is separate.


I think he was referring to the undisclosed order for 3 A346 that Airbus added to the order book on 20th May.
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:16 pm

That's great, I love the A346 and looking forward to see more them in the skies of the world.
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:25 pm

Scbriml, That is correct I was referring to the 3 ordered on May 20th. All speculation was that it was VS though it appears we still have to wait to see who they're for. Though thanks to Gigneil for trying to answer

Dutchjet: With respect Branson is on an Video Q&A on Bloomberg. His words, not those of a reporter. I find that far more accurate than any written report no matter what news organisation releases it. I'll listen and watch Branson say it as it is

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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:54 pm

Awesome! The VS A346 are quite a sight at IAD, especially on approach when they go over my house. Now if only LH would start flying them to IAD in the Star livery I would one happy photographer. What do you guys and gals think about a UA 346 in the new livery? Or a NW 346 in the new livery? I bet that the NW livery would like absolutely awesome.

Apart from that Airbus seem to really have a great product here that people demand. No A vs B war please - I like both.
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Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:58 pm

The A340-600 is the largest member of Airbus’ A330/A340 Family, the market leading aircraft family in the 250-375-seater segment. More than 820 firm orders from over 60 customers have been booked, with a current market share of 57 per cent with respect to directly competing models.

Geez...I guess it's true that you can make statistics say whatever you want them to say...
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:25 pm

There are a couple of questions we need to ask about VS' A340-600 order:

1. Will they be the new A340-600HGW version similar to those ordered by Emirates Airways (EK)? My guess is that since Airbus will likely switch to the lighter wing A346 by 2006 it will be the A346HGW.

2. What will VS do with its 13-strong 747-400 fleet? My guess is that VS will likely assign most of them to exclusively North American destinations, though flights from LHR to cities in India may get 744 service.
 
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:44 pm

Branson also comments that they will expand out of LGW and MAN, what routes? A MAN-HKG/PEK, may be a good option.
 
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:47 pm

oh no, virgin chose airbus yet again, they must be really unhappy with their A346!
well the truth is, they are really unhappy with them and only bought them because they basically got them for free, due to all the subsidies that airbus gets.

to get out of sarcasm:

i consider that the last nail in the coffin of the VS 744 lifespan. i expect VS to get rid of them as soon as replacements are available, hoping to make some more money with them before the prices drops drastically when big 744 carriers like BA, SQ and others get rid of their 744 fleets to replace them with more modern planes.
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:54 pm

i consider that the last nail in the coffin of the VS 744 lifespan. i expect VS to get rid of them as soon as replacements are available, hoping to make some more money with them before the prices drops drastically when big 744 carriers like BA, SQ and others get rid of their 744 fleets to replace them with more modern planes.
The 744s will have a place in the VS fleet for quite some time, as they serve markets where a 380 is too-much, and a 346 is too-little.

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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:01 pm

Ok I called it wrong. VS went with A340 instead of Boeings.
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:04 pm

Zak,
its no secrecy that Branson is not a big fan of the 747 altough this bird "made" his airline.
Still I don´t see any signs of an accelerated phase-out of the 744 fleet at VS. Most 744s are leased on 12 or 10-year terms as I remember and the newest one is just one year old. The oldest trio is turning 10 this year so these will leave pretty soon in the next 2 years or so. But Branson is known for making clever deals (this A346 order surely is one, you can bet on it). Who knows, if the lease terms for these early 744s can be re-negotiated to very low figures after the current ones expire, he might snap them. He would be fool not to do, chances a high he can make a deal there at the moment, and there are no signs for a change of the trend.
 
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:09 pm

Joni "This places into a strange light the pundits here who IIRC had "knowledge" that Virgin was very unhappy with the A346"

Joni
No it doesn't, not really. When all is said and done it sometimes come down to a simple matter of cost and what deal AB made with VS. Management decision to go with AB does not change the fact that crew dislikes em or that ATO staff hates em. Sometimes management makes decision simply on the bottom line  Sad
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:51 pm

Yes, VS bought an aircraft which all the pilots are unhappy with, the mechanics hate and which has a so superior competitor that Branson must be stupid!!! HAHAH
I think Branson knows what he does. And he doesn`t stand alone. Other strong airlines chose the A346 and they surly know why.

I know some LH pilots and they really like the flight deck of the 346 because it`s even more progressive then the one on the former 340-versions. So I don`t think that all VS crews hate it and only the management likes it.
 
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:07 am

This was no surprise really. Its amazing how already there are screams of they offered a cheaper, Airbus did this, Airbus did that.

I'm sorry to say this, but it is the best aircraft available for Virgins needs.
 
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:42 am

This is fantastic news. The A340-600 is one of my favorite aircraft, and so far the best user of them in terms of cabin outfitting, et cetera seems to be Virgin. Virgin's existing A340-600 cabins feature beautiful, large PTV screens, and I presume the new deliveries will feature these as well. The graceful lines of the A340 remind me of the 707 and the other early four-engined jetliners...

Hopefully soon we'll get some US orders for the A340 (and the 773)...

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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:46 am

its no secrecy that Branson is not a big fan of the 747 altough this bird "made" his airline.
Now that he his done ordering planes for a bit, watch him go back to how much he loves the 747. Earlier this year when rumors were beginning to circulate about a new Airbus order from VS he quoted the 747 as the ugliest thing around and that is was not gracious.

If RB really hated the 747, he would stop selling the 747 models in duty free, re-name Lady Penelope and give her name to a 346, and change all logo-printing (website, Flying Club, etc.) where a 747 is.  Big grin

I'm sorry to say this, but it is the best aircraft available for Virgins needs.
Why be sorry? More 346s will mean that there will not have to be training costs that would come if they ordered the 777. VS just got a good deal.

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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:59 am

Will even good for more VS of new A346 aircraft and They should more than of other airlines ever has before. Which one of those new routes out of LHR & LGW to transatlantic flight on their A346 aircraft. Maybe if VS to make need expansion more new service to PHX, DFW, IAH, CVG, ATL, STL, FLL & TPA. They want to make annonucment on their new service on their international flights.
 
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:35 am

It would be naive to believe that four-engines isn't a factor in some areas of the industry.

Sure it does... just not in passenger purchase (to any significant degree).




Man, this will ruin ConcordeBoy's day...

Interesting assessment... considering that I was the one, as of the last two weeks, stating that Boeing had no chance with this order  Yeah sure




Its amazing how already there are screams of they offered a cheaper

...probably because A340s generally sell for less than 777s?




Hopefully soon we'll get some US orders for the A340 (and the 773)...

Sincerely doubt you'll see either any time soon, if ever; as all of the airlines likely to order either model have completely upturned their nose on multiple occassions.
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:37 am

Maybe if VS to make need expansion more new service to PHX, DFW, IAH, CVG, ATL, STL, FLL & TPA. They want to make annonucment on their new service on their international flights.
VS is done with expansion in North America and will be for quite some time, at which point they will most likely add frequencies. In any event, most of those cities are not prime VS destinations.

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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:51 am

Maybe if VS to make need expansion more new service to PHX, DFW, IAH, CVG, ATL, STL, FLL & TPA. They want to make annonucment on their new service on their international flights.
VS is done with expansion in North America and will be for quite some time, at which point they will most likely add frequencies. In any event, most of those cities are not prime VS destinations.


Don't know about that - they could possibly restart Toronto and Chicago and there is somewhat of a business market in the Carolinas. VS should fly to ATL and give DL a run for its money
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RE: Virgin Confirm 26 A346 13 Firm +13

Fri Aug 06, 2004 2:01 am

Don't know about that - they could possibly restart Toronto and Chicago and there is somewhat of a business market in the Carolinas. VS should fly to ATL and give DL a run for its money
True, but the VS fleet is being utilized pretty heavily, so I would be surprised to see ORD and Toronto come back.

Passengers could easily fly from the Carolinas to IAD, NYC, or BOS and take a flight from there.

VS is partners with DL, BA already has a flight into ATL, and with most ATL passengers connecting from other cities, I am not expecting to see VS at ATL.

I would imagine that VS could make a lot more money on other routes, including the ones that it plans to start, compared to some North American cities.

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Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos