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Any Future Orders For B737-600

Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:20 pm

Hey fellow forum members. I was just wondering if you think there will be any future orders for the B737-600 or they will shut down the production for this 600 NG model? Thank You For Your Input
 
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:21 pm

Didn't WestJet just place an order for the 737-600?

https://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1685377/

[Edited 2004-08-08 05:24:32]
 
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:21 pm

Besides Westjet I don't think anyone else has really shown interest.
 
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:30 pm

I don't think Boeing can really 'shut down' the 736. It's all part of the 737NG built in Renton. And since there are still massive outstanding orders for 73G's and 738's, I think Boeing will continue to offer the 736 as long as they offer the 73G and 738.



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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:40 pm

I completely agree w/ the stated above was the B737-600 profitable for Boeing at all or was it a big loss of money for them?
 
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:55 pm

Well its really costing them an extra amount of money to produce because it is made in the same plant as the 73G, from what I understant.
 
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:57 pm

It's not just the 736. For whatever reason, the market for the roughly 100-seat aircraft just hasn't seemed to have opened up for anyone. The 736 as well as the B717 and the A318 have been very slow sellers (as have the planes on the upper end of those families the 739 and the A321).

Not only that, but JetBlue's order for 100 E190 is over half the orders for the E190/E195 family, the CR9 is in rather limited production, the Fokker 100 is history, and it appears the 928JET has been permanently shelved.

Not sure what it is. Maybe for whatever reason, after crunching the numbers the airlines can't make the 90-seat to 110-seat aircraft work for them.
 
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:01 pm

I completely agree w/ the stated above was the B737-600 profitable for Boeing at all or was it a big loss of money for them?

It's tied to the hip with the 73G and 738. Unlike the A318, the 736 did not require any significant rework over the family patriarch, and thus, it can be offered without any significant loss.

As for new customers, it's hard to say. WN did not take a huge affinity to the 737-500, so I do not expect a WN 737-600 order. Problem is, most of the 735s were the last 2nd generation 737s, so some are not yet coming to retirement age. I'd bet CO orders a few at some point.
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Sun Aug 08, 2004 5:46 pm

How many 736s are built / on order?

Also who, other than SAS, operates them?

I wonder if the 736 will become something of a rarity in the future, like the 731 did....
 
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Sun Aug 08, 2004 7:04 pm

Future orders for the 736 will materialize over time, a few here and there for airlines worldwide, but I do not think that we will see a big order from a large carrier (especially not from a US carrier) as US airlines are going to regional jets for aircraft in the +/- 100 seats category. Why? Cheaper acquisition, labor and operating costs. The 736 is ideal for long/thin routes, but airlines are not very interested in flying long/thin routes these days.

CO has stated that its not interested in the 736 (and also indicated that no further 73Gs are need - future deliveries of the 737NG series will be focused on the 738), AA has disposed of the 717 and F100, I dont think that they are looking for another mainline 100 seat airliner, AS is going to replace its 732s with 734 Combis/Freighters, and Southwest will stay with the 73G as there is no economic advantage of going with some 736s.
 
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Sun Aug 08, 2004 7:29 pm

I hope it does get more orders as I think it's the cutest member of the 737 family.
 
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Sun Aug 08, 2004 7:37 pm

As stated Westjet just ordered some and I would expect follow on orders in small numbers from them in the future too. Of note 3 of the UFO 737 orders listed on Boeings website are for the 736 be interesting to know who they're for?
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Sun Aug 08, 2004 11:45 pm

I hope it does get more orders as I think it's the cutest member of the 737 family.

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I agree, I think that the 736 is the nicest looking member of the 737NG family - it reminds me of a sports car - with its short fuselage and big wings, tail and engines.
 
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Mon Aug 09, 2004 12:45 am

Also who, other than SAS, operates them?

Malev, Air China, Tunis Air, Lauda Air and Air Algerie.

56 of the 71 orders have been delivered.
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:22 am

Now that AM is beginning to replace its extensive MD-80 fleet with 737NG's, it is likely that they will get some 736's for some thin routes (like MEX-SLC, MEX-SAN, point-to-point domestic flights, etc.). Nothing has been decided yet as far as I know, but the idea is to have all the 737NG types in their fleet.
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:15 am

I agree EddieDude, Aeromexico is certainly a potential customer for the 736, as you pointed out, it would be very well suited for long-thin routes from Mexico City to US/Canadian cities, some Mexican domestic services, as well as flights from Mexico to points in Central and the northern portion of South America.

When the Aeromexico 737NG order was originally announced, I remember there being a "mix-up" or some confusion.......it was originally reported that Aeromexico has ordered the 736 and not the 73G.
 
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:12 am

I did not know about the mix-up, so thank you very much for the info Dutchjet.

It will be very interesting to see if AM re-enters the Canadian market next year, once it is sold by the government separately from MX. In the past they had DC-10 service to YYZ but now MX is the only Mexican carrier flying to Canada.

With respect to Central America, AM is also absent from the market. There were plans -failed- to start operations to Honduras from MEX (apparently via MID and CUN), the idea being to offer Hondurans convenient connections to CDG, MAD and the other AM international destinations.

In any case, as Dutchjet mentions, the 736 could be a good alternative to start new routes to Canada and Central America. Let's wait and see what strategy with respect to these markets the new management of AM adopts in 2005 after its sale.
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:33 am

There´s too many of this contraptions in Scandinavia, sorry to say!

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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:45 am

There´s too many of this contraptions in Scandinavia, sorry to say!

Yes, SK has not been one of the happiest customers of B736...SK doesn't have enough suitable routes for the aircraft or other words they have too many of those aircrafts. Many of those are operated on short intra-Scandinavian routes and the aircraft is designed for LONG thin routes... Therefore, operating costs are very high.

It doesn't have enough cargo capacity for those intra-Scandinavian routes and the pax capacity is too small on routes to other parts of Europe. SK also had quite a lot engine problems with B736s during the past years, however I don't know have those been fixed nowadays.

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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:48 am

It's tied to the hip with the 73G and 738. Unlike the A318, the 736 did not require any significant rework over the family patriarch, and thus, it can be offered without any significant loss.

What development did the A318 need/get over the existing A320 family? (Apart from the P&W engines, say no more...)
 
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:02 am

The 736 as well as the B717 and the A318 have been very slow sellers (as have the planes on the upper end of those families the 739 and the A321

Actually the A321 sells VERY well

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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:47 am

What development did the A318 need/get over the existing A320 family? (Apart from the P&W engines, say no more...)

A new, taller vertical stab to compensate for a reduced movement arm, and the associated control surfaces. New welding techniques were also implemented.

Actually the A321 sells VERY well

It has sold better than the 737-900, but I don't call 407 orders in 14 years setting the world on fire. The 737-700/800 and A320/A319 have sold thousands of examples each, but the A321 isn't anything special.

Heck, the Boeing 737-500 has sold at a faster rate with 389 737-500s in 12 years.
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:06 am

I belive that air asia might possible be the next customer for the B736. They are in need for new airframes and why not keep fleet comonality to save costs
 
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:59 am

When AA signed its contract with Boeing in the '90s for 600+ aircraft over 20 years, the plan was that the 737-600, -700 and -800 would replace the F100, MD-80, and 727-200, resepctively.

A friend of mine is a pilot with AA, and management has indicated that, in the long run, it needs a 100-seat airplane. Having a gap between the 70-seat CRJ and the 129-seat MD-80 will become problematic as traffic returns to pre-2001 levels. (Case in point, ORD. It would be far less congested if a lot of the Embrear RJs could be replaced with a 100-seat airplane.)

The problem is cost. Buying Embrear 190s would be cheaper than 737-600s, especially if Eagle pilots fly them. But on the other hand, adding the -600 to the fleet would hold the cost on maintenance and training. Another factor is that with a combined fleet of 737-600s and -800s, AA would need fewer reserve pilots than if it bought Embrear 190s.
 
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Mon Aug 09, 2004 11:58 pm

DeltaMIA: Forgot Air Europa on the list...
 
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:04 am

AirTran, maybe. I've heard it mentioned that AirTran might start turning in 717s as the leases expire and replace them with 737s. They don't want anything much over five years old. If the numbers can be crunched successfully, 736s might make sense in some thinner markets.
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:32 am

This last post makes no sense. Boeing is not likely to encourage its number one lessee of 717s -- indeed the one company to which it has leased all the 717s returned by others -- to "turn in" those aircraft. Given the lengths to which Boeing is likely to go to keep those 717s flying at Airtran, I very seriously doubt that they'd be pushing -600s on them. I also REALLY doubt that Airtran will be turning its fleet over when the a/c reach 5 years of age.
 
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RE: Any Future Orders For B737-600

Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:39 am

Boeing, or any other lessor, cannot force anyone to keep an aircraft beyond the lease term....just like a car lease, you can buy it, turn it in, or extend the lease. Also, I'm sure Boeing would be quite happy supply AirTran with more 737s at any time (they make a profit on them, unlike on the 717). As far as the post not making sense; it started by saying that, "I've heard it mentioned...." I didn't claim to be stating facts.
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