AirframeAS, I have mixed your post with my comments
I am looking for the sales data of the 737 and the A320. I did not get the last few years but only 2004, 105 sales for Airbus and 74 for Boeing. Now that does not say that the 737 is dead. It means that in spite of its huge existing customer base, the 737 is behind the A320. If you take into account this huge customer base, then you realise that the sun is slowly setting on the 737 line however extreme the next makeovers will be.
Now what you say:
"First, the fuselage of the B737 family shouldnt have a new fuselage if Boeing decides to do a 7E7 type aircraft for the B737 family. Its a cost saving model if you keep the same fuselage design but use different materials to produce it. You got the blueprints already done to make the new version. Saves time and money if you ask me."
At some point, if you want a new plane, you have to change everything.
"Do you have any idea what a MASSIVE aerospace company Boeing is????"
Yes I do. You should compare it to EADS though and not to Airbus. I don't care about the size. We're talking airliners here. So Airbus and Boeing commercial aircraft divisions, no more no less. Boeing won't invest in commercial aircraft in place of investing in other divisions. It will invest as much as it can recoup. Without subsidies, it won't be able to invest enough to be present in all market segments. Even less so if you include the risk inherent in any aircraft program.
"I am not sure that the 737 can withstand the competition with the A320 forever..."
See above my comment about the commercial future of the 737.
"...they will let the A380 dominate the skies for the next 30 years or so (IF
THIS PLANE DELIVERS).
Keyword here: IF
THIS PLANE DELIVERS. Ohh! How the irony!!"
Who really questions the fact that the A380-800 is a relatively safe bet? Everybody agrees that Airbus is credible and will produce a decent aircraft. Yet there might be some trouble. I doubt they might be un-fixable. Anyway, shit happens and that's why I was being cautious.
"Uhh the last time I checked, Airbus isnt holding a gun to Boeing's head and vice versa. So yeah, its a free market if you ask me. Im sure other people would agree."
I'm not sure what you mean.
"don't think it's government pride. I think it's government interest.
Huh? Wanna run that by me again because I dont get. Boeing isnt government owned. Sorry, bub!"
People in the aerospace industry vote. The airliners business is the first export of the US. Yes, it is a matter of national interest and governments won't wash their hands of it as you'll probably see in the coming years.
"7E7 is a valid counter to the A330-200. It has no business with the A380.
Thats partly correct. Neither the 7E7 or A380 has any competition at all....at least not yet. The A330 Lite doesnt count at all vs. 7E7."
If the 737 can compete with the A320, I don't see why the A330-200 could not compete with the 7E7. If Boeing had so many tricks out of there hat, why didn't they pull them sooner? They were just waiting for Airbus to be way ahead just to show how easily they would catch up?
"Ok. I think you misunderstood me or did not get the complete picture of my point. Public company produces quarterly results. CEOs are paid on the short to medium term stock performance. Hence the CEOs of a public company have no interests whatsoever in investing in the 10 to 15 year horizon. Unfortunately, that is what you should do if you want to be competitive in the airliners business.
1) Boeing does NOT have to produce quarterly reports to the public, BUT are required to share the info to their stockholders."
Not sure what you mean.
"2) Who cares how much the CEO makes....(Except for Boeing employees)"
I'm not talking about how much the CEO makes, I'm talking about what his incentives are and how he can manage to make as much as he can. I'm sure that short term stock price considerations have had an impact on how boeing has under invested. They have treated their products as cash cows and did not properly prepare the future.
"3) Boeing does not only make products for the airlines, they do military contracts and NASA contracts as well as many other things we dont even know. Theres more to Boeing than the airline business."
Ok, so what. Not sure what you mean. What we care about in this forum are airliners. If Boeing is number one in the fortune 500 in 30 years but does not build airliners anymore, they will have failed in competing with Airbus (provided it is still in business since 30 years is a long time-
) in this particular business. There is not much to say.
"The 737 was certified in the 60s and if they change too many things they have to go through the certification again. They did not. They don't have electrical command.
Once again, please please please....for your own sake...do some research on the B737 programs first before you make these statements. The 737NG HAS an all glass cockpit configuration the last time I checked. Dude, you are making yourself look bad..... ugh!"
See what I posted above about certification. FYI Glass cockpit has nothing to do with electrical commands.