Airline With International Service Only?

kbuf737 · Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:37 am

Are there any Airlines with Int'l service only?

isitsafenow · Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:48 am

Before 1980, we had a real good one. It was called Pan American World Airways
or Pan AM for short.
safe

SafetyDude · Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:49 am

The only two that I can think of off the top of my head are Emirates and Virgin Atlantic. I imagine that quite a few Asian and African airlines also only have international service.

Smile

-Will

MAH4546 · Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:52 am

Emirates operates domestic routes. Singapore Airlines is another airline that does not, as well as TACV. There are a good number that only operate international services as there are certain countries with no domestic market...like Sinagpore and the Cape Verde Islands.

AEROFAN · Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:54 am

Virgin Atlantic is the only one that I can think of

nighthawk · Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:55 am

What about little "Druk Airways", there is only one airport in that country, so every flight will be international.

I would imagine there are many more small airlines in such a situation.

ssides · Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:56 am

Singapore Airlines only operates internationally. So does Air Tahiti Nui. I'm sure that Cayman Airways, Air Jamaica, and BWIA are international-only as well. What about Air New Zealand? Egyptair? El Al?

JAL777 · Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:59 am

Cathay Pacific... well, if you consider Hong Kong "independent."

runway23 · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:00 am

Cathay Pacific is another one (if you consider that there Chinese services aren't domestic). Add to that airlines like Qatar, Etihad, MEA who although they fly regional don't fly within their country.

T.

sw733 · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:00 am

Air Jamaica operates flights from Montego Bay to Kingston...What about MALEV?

MAH4546 · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:01 am

I'm sure that Cayman Airways, Air Jamaica, and BWIA are international-only as well. What about Air New Zealand? Egyptair? El Al?

Cayman Airways operates domestic routes. Air Jamaica has quite a decent domestic network, especially for such a small island. Air New Zealand has a very extensive domestic network, and Egypt is a pretty big country...not just Cairo...there are a lot of airports. El Al operates one domestic route, to Eliat.

sw733 · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:01 am

Oh, what about Royal Brunei? Not so sure about that one but just an idea

B4REAL · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:02 am

KLM appears to have no flights within The Netherlands.

KLM City Hopper - seems to fly Amsterdam - Eindhoven.

Cathay Pacific - Hong Kong only. They do fly to mainland China, only Beijing.

EVA - Taiwan only. They do fly to Hong Kong, however.

Singapore Airlines - only to Singapore. Malaysia and Bali are the closest destionations, but Int'l.

SafetyDude · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:04 am

Air Jamaica
They might have Kingston-Montego Bay service.

What about Air New Zealand?
I believe that they have some domestic flights.

El Al?
Tel Aviv to Jerusalem maybe?

Edit: A few things have already been mentioned, but I will leave them on.

Smile

-Will

[Edited 2004-08-17 03:05:50]

keno · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:06 am

What about Air New Zealand? Egyptair? El Al?

The first 2 airlines have extensive domestic network. El Al also serve TLV-Eilat. I'm quite sure that Air Jamaica also operate Kingston-Montego Bay.

Royal Brunei Airlines have no domestic routes. In fact, the country only has 1 airport. What about Sri Lankan?

BA · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:14 am

MAH4546,

Emirates operates domestic routes.

They no longer operate Dubai (DXB) - Abu Dhabi (AUH) so this means all their routes are international.

Ssides,

What about Air New Zealand? Egyptair? El Al?

Egyptair operate a number of domestic routes in Egypt such as Sharm el Sheikh, Alexandria, Hurghada, Luxor, Aswan, Assuit, Abu Simbel, etc.

El Al's only domestic route is Eilat as far as I know.

Air New Zealand operates many domestic routes.

Another airline that only operates international routes is MEA.

And that's because Lebanon is a tiny country and its only commercial airport is Beirut International Airport (BEY).

Regards

AEROFAN · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:15 am

JM and BW operate domestically

BA · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:18 am

SafetyDude,

Tel Aviv to Jerusalem maybe?

Jerusalem does not have an airport.

KEno,

What about Sri Lankan?

I believe they serve a few domestic destinations on Cessna 208 Caravans.

Regards

sw733 · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:20 am

Got one...Air Nauru! Wink/being sarcastic

BA · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:23 am

Royal Jordanian does not fly any domestic flights unless you include their subsidiary Royal Wings which operates Dash 8-200s. They fly to Aqaba from Amman.

MAH4546 · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:26 am

Thanks for the correction BA, I didn't know they ended DXB-AUH. Do they still serve AUH?

Also, side note to the Air Jamaica responses...Jamaica is more than just Montego Bay and Kingston. Kingston even has two airports: Norman Manley (KIN) is the international airport and Tinson (KTP) is the domestic one. Another Jamaican airport is Ochos Rios, which JM serves from KTP and MBJ.

burnsie28 · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:27 am

Singapore was a given, is it even possible to operate a domestic route in Singapore LOL Nuts

eksath · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:27 am

BA is right (upto a point)...Sri Lankan uses Cessna 208 Caravans for Sri Lankan Taxi. I believe there are two Twin Otters on delivery for this year.

but it is not a scheduled service. As the name says,it is a taxi service

http://www.airlanka.com/airtaxi/

Domestic service in Sri Lanka has a host of operators including:

Helitours (run by the Sri Lanka Air Force)
Serendib Airlines
Lion Air
Monara Airlines

.....there may have been a few changes in the last year to the above list.

[Edited 2004-08-17 03:29:32]

cbphoto · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:27 am

Does Icelandair operate domestic services???

sw733 · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:28 am

I think Icelandair does...

SkyvanMan · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:28 am

Air Tahiti Nui flys domestically in Japan. THey have a flight from Tokyo to Osaka. You can take them off of the list. I am however unable to try to reserve a seat on one of those flights so it might be a discontinued or codeshare flight. I will post again when I find out.

Air Jamaica has domestic routes because I remember the CEO talking about how they give out Champagne to all classes on all flights even domestic flights.

I double checked the site of Royal Brunei and they fly internationally only. Their shortest flights are to places in Malaysia.

I was unable to get to Sri Lankan's website but if I am able to find out for sure I will post if they do fly the Cesnas as BA said.

BA · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:31 am

Thanks for the correction BA, I didn't know they ended DXB-AUH. Do they still serve AUH?

They do not serve AUH anymore.

Last March, of the 11 flights a week they had to Beirut (BEY) from Dubai (DXB), one of them made a stop in Abu Dhabi (AUH) (the Thursday flight). Of the daily service to Amman (AMM) from Dubai (DXB), two of the flights made a stop in Abu Dhabi (AUH).

With the start of their spring schedule (which started at the end of March), they made Beirut (BEY) 12x weekly non-stop from Dubai, and daily Amman (AMM) all non-stop from Dubai (DXB).

This meant an end to Abu Dhabi (AUH) service. All these stops were for was to pick up some extra passengers.

Check out this thread for more info:
https://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1385638

Regards

BA · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:38 am

Cbphoto,

Does Icelandair operate domestic services???

No they do not. But an airline called Air Iceland with Fokker F50s, Metro 23s, and Twin Otters operates to a number of domestic destinations such as Akureyri and they serve the Faroe Islands and Kulusuk (Angmagssalik) in Greenland.

http://www.airiceland.is

Skyvanman,

I was unable to get to Sri Lankan's website but if I am able to find out for sure I will post if they do fly the Cesnas as BA said.

Here you go:
http://www.srilankan.aero/airtaxi

Regards

[Edited 2004-08-17 03:41:34]

keno · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:44 am

BA,
Didn't Jerusalem use to have scheduled services? If i'm not mistaken to Tel Aviv Sde Dov.

[Edited 2004-08-17 03:47:04]

SkyvanMan · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:48 am

I still can't figure out about Air Tahiti Nui because their main site is in French. Anyways do you consider Cargolux an airline even though it does only cargo. I think that they fly only international. It seems that it would be wasteful to have a 747 do a short route (last time I checked they had an all 747 fleet). Does anyone know for sure. I am trying to find out but it takes forever to load sites on Dialup (luckily I am only on dialup for vacation)

BA · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:49 am

Didn't Jerusalem use to have scheduled services?

Yes, actually you're right. Jerusalem does have an airport, but a small one.

It used to be served regularly during the British Mandate of Palestine prior to 1948 from a number of surrounding places.

Regards

[Edited 2004-08-17 03:51:34]

keno · Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:54 am

Skyvanman,
Amadeus shows that TN88 PPT-KIX makes a stop in NRT. Anyhow, both NRT & KIX are international destinations relative to French Polynesia, so TN is still considered as an all-international carrier Smile

SkyvanMan · Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:03 am

Oh I was thinking that you were considering flights that have flights that don't require passports (that is my view of a domestic flight). That widens the possiblities. BTW thanks BA, I got to the site but besides Air Taxi I couldn't tell if they had domestic flights. I say they have all international from what I could tell. I don't know Asia's geography very well so someone who does should try to find out using the route map or another source. Tha main page for Sri Lankan is srilankan.aero (not .com as Google told me)

[Edited 2004-08-17 04:05:35]

planekrazy777 · Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:07 am

Zoom air in canada is int'l only 767-3

sw733 · Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:13 am

Maybe not Cargolux because it's cargo, but Luxair? I think they're only international

mariner · Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:21 am

BA:

The airport at Jerusalem was used long after the Mandate. Both Arab Airways and Air Jordan used to fly there regularly from Amman, with DC3's.

At that time, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) was under Jordanian control.

cheers

mariner

SkyvanMan · Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:22 am

Here is a list I have compiled from the posts in this thread. If you have any corrections or if I missed something just tell me and I will update the list.
-Airlines with International Service Only-
Emirates
Air Tahiti Nui
Cathay Pacific
Qatar
MEA
Royal Brunei
KLM
EVA
Etihad
Virgin Atlantic
Singapore Airlines
Icelandair
CargoLux (cargo only)
Sri Lankan (if you do not consider their Air Taxi)

BA · Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:24 am

The airport at Jerusalem was used long after the Mandate. Both Arab Airways and Air Jordan used to fly there regularly from Amman, with DC3's.

Yes I know. I was pointing out that it came to be during the British mandate. It was the British which built it.

At that time, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) was under Jordanian control.

Yes, my mom visited it in 64.

Regards

sw733 · Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:26 am

Am I right to say that Virgin Atlantic is the only airline that only operates to destinations outside their home continent?

SkyvanMan · Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:31 am

Well Icelandair operates to destinations outside of Iceland and even though Iceland is not officially a continent it isnt really part of any specific continent. Besides that though I think you are right about Virgin Atlantic being the only carrier to operate to destinations outside of their main continent only.

BA · Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:41 am

Skyvanman,

Cathay Pacific

This is just my opinion, but I do not consider flights from Hong Kong to China to be international.

Since the British handover, Hong Kong has become a Special Administrative Region (SAR) of China. I consider it a part of China with significant autonomy in terms of economy. However, China represents Hong Kong in international affairs.

I'd call it a semi-autonomous region of China, not an independant country and thus would not consider Hong Kong - China flights to be international.

KLM

KLM Excel serves Maastricht and KLM Cityhopper serves Eindhoven from Amsterdam.

There are also flights from Rotterdam, but not to Amsterdam (because the two cities are really close).

Another airline to add to your list as SW733 mentioned is Luxair. Luxembourg only has one commercial airport, Luxembourg Int'l (LUX) so all of Luxair's flights are international.

Also as I said earlier, Royal Jordanian only flies international flights if you exclude its regional subsidiary called Royal Wings which operates Dash 8-200s to a number of destinations (Aqaba is the only domestic route however).

Well Icelandair operates to destinations outside of Iceland and even though Iceland is not officially a continent it isnt really part of any specific continent.

Iceland is technically part of two continents. There is a fault that runs through it separating the European continent and the North American continent.

Regards

mariner · Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:41 am

BA:

It's off topic, but I found these. Given your knowledge of Middle Eastern airlines, I thought you might be interested:

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/aj.htm

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/je.htm

cheers

mariner

BA · Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:44 am

Much appreciated Mariner. Thanks a lot. I always love seeing old timetables. Smile

Regards

SkyvanMan · Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:00 pm

Updated List
(special thanks to BA for corrections)
-Airlines with International Service Only-
Emirates
Air Tahiti Nui
Cathay Pacific (depending on your viewpoint of Hong Kong wether it is or is not part of China)
Qatar
MEA
Royal Brunei
EVA
Etihad
Virgin Atlantic
Singapore Airlines
Icelandair
CargoLux (cargo only)
Sri Lankan (if you do not consider their Air Taxi)
Luxair
Royal Jordanian (subsidiary Royal Wings flies domestc though)

Corrections that were made: KLM deleted from list, Luxair added, Cathay Pacific note added, Royal Jordanian added with note)

Again if you have any corrections please post them and I will update the list.
BA you are amazing at your knowledge of airlines!

JOSEMEX · Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:06 pm

Air Malta, perhaps?

BA · Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:10 pm

Anytime Skyvanman. Smile

B4Real,

KLM City Hopper - seems to fly Amsterdam - Eindhoven.

Sorry I didn't reply to you earlier.

KLM CityHopper is 100% owned by KLM which is why I consider KLM to fly domestic routes.

KLM Excel which is not owned by KLM, but flies a KLM franchise carrier flies to Maastricht from Amsterdam.

Skyvanman,

Regarding KLM, it's the situation like Royal Jordanian.

KLM subsidiary (100% owned by KLM again) KLM CityHopper flies to Eindhoven from Amsterdam and a number of routes from Rotterdam.

So you might want to include it in your list and make a note about KLM CityHopper and KLM Excel.

I usually consider routes operated airline subsidaries and airline franchises as part of the airline system because they serve for those airline customers and fly under the airline's name.

Regards

calvin99 · Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:16 pm

i agreed that Hong Kong is actually part of China and the flight between HKG-PEK should be considered domestic flight..

"Since the British handover, Hong Kong has become a Special Administrative Region (SAR) of China. I consider it a part of China with significant autonomy in terms of economy. However, China represents Hong Kong in international affairs.

I'd call it a semi-autonomous region of China, not an independant country and thus would not consider Hong Kong - China flights to be international."

however, as most people can see, Hong Kong has a seperate identity in a lot of international events, for example Hong Kong represent itself in the olympic, not China, Hong Kong's air traffic agreements between other countries are signed by Hong Kong itself NOT China although China should have some influence to the agreement..

BA · Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:22 pm

JoseMEX,

Air Malta, perhaps?

Sure, I guess it depends on how you look at it. Air Malta has a subsidiary called Malta AirCharter which flies Russian Mil Mi-8 helicopters between Malta Luqa Int'l and a helipad on the island of Gozo (the 2nd island of Malta).

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however, as most people can see, Hong Kong has a seperate identity in a lot of international events, for example Hong Kong represent itself in the olympic, not China

I completely agree. Hong Kong does indeed have its own unique identity, something they should be proud of.

Hong Kong's air traffic agreements between other countries are signed by Hong Kong itself NOT China although China should have some influence to the agreement..

Yup. That's why there are flights between Hong Kong and Taiwain while there are no flights between Hong Kong and the rest of China (except Macao which is another SAR).

Regards

stirling · Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:36 pm

Air Pacific (Fiji)

chepos · Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:36 pm

I think PLuna from Uruguay should be added to the Int service only list . They do fly from both Montevideo and Punta Del Este but only to International destinations no domestic service btw the 2 cities.

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I guess Martinair could be added to the list, they do fly scheduled routes and none of them are domestic flights.
Chepos

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