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Ryan h
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Douglas DC 8

Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:25 pm

How many are still in service around the world?


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Does anyone know what type of engines are fitted to this one?
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:37 pm

There are 148 still in service around the world. UPS had the most with 42.

The DC8 in that pic has JT3D-7 engines.  Smile
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:37 pm

Those are P&W JT3D-7Bs.
I don't know exactly how many are left flying, but I have noticed and increasing amount of the -63s being chopped up.
ABX still has a fleet of them and there are some operators in Europe that are flying them.
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:39 pm

Should be Pratt & Whitney JT3B-7.

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RE: Douglas DC 8

Mon Sep 20, 2004 12:16 am

Ryan,

according to http://www.airlinerlist.com/, there are 148 'Diesel-8's still in service, with Fedex being the biggest operator.

Love those birds...

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RE: Douglas DC 8

Mon Sep 20, 2004 12:19 am

FedEx has no DC-8s. They have DC-10s. UPS has a large fleet of DC-8s. All have CFM-56 engines.
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Mon Sep 20, 2004 12:25 am

You kiddies would have really loved the model 10's DL and UA had with the J-55.
Those noisy smelly 1959 technology whizzes were a piece of work. You had to be out on one of those observation decks of old and had one nosed in at you.
Then listen to the engine start-up. The 4 holers of way-back-when always gate-started before pushback. You missed the golden age of smell and noise and feel of being outside with the planes of old.
And that's what its all about, gang.
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Mon Sep 20, 2004 12:44 am

That DC-8 definitely has JT3D series engines, not JT3Bs. the "D" indicates that it is a turbofan. I don't think there are many regularly operating turbojet DC-8s anymore.
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Mon Sep 20, 2004 2:58 am

Oh the memories i worked as cabin crew on TRANSLIFT DC8-71 god they were old but fab to crew esp on transatlantic flights having to bob under the screen during the movie.
 
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Mon Sep 20, 2004 3:24 am

UPS has a total of 47 DC8's on its certificate:
21 -71 with 7 in storage
26 -73 with 3 in storage
 
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:14 am

Thanks for the replies.
I was glad I saw this one. I hope to get some takeoff shots this afternoon.
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:46 pm

DC-8 Engines and other notes

DC-8-10 Series P&WA JT3C - Underpowered, some converted to -20's or -51's by changing the engines.
DC-8-20 Series P&WA JT4A-9
DC-8-30 Series P&WA JT4A-9 - Intercontinental Version
DC-8-40 Series RR Conway - Intercontinental Version, a CP -43 exceeded M=1 on a test hop for the 4% wing, which had new leading edges.
DC-8-50 Series P&WA JT3D-1/-3
DC-8-61's P&WA JT3D-3 - stretched -50, 20' stretch
DC-8-62 P&WA JT3D-3/-7 - Redesigned wing, redesigned fuselage structure, 8' longer than earlier DC-8's
DC-8-63 P&WA JT3D-7 - Redesigned wing, redesigned fuselage structure, 20' stretch, same length as the -61
DC-8-70 Series CFM-56-2
All -70 series airplanes are converted -60 series airplanes.
So 5 different engines, 4 different fuselages, 3 different wings
 
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:11 am

The wing on the -62 is the same as the -63.
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:20 am

IsItSafeNow....... so the DC8 was loud and smelly like the Convair 880 and 990?
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:31 am

So who is the operator with the largest fleet left? Is it UPS?

Where are the DC 8-73s left that German Cargo once utilized?

I like DC8s on approach, especially the 70-series.
 
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:54 am

There were only three fuselage lengths for the DC-8.

10-50 150ft 6in

62 157ft 5in

61,63 187ft 4in


All of the German Cargo 73s went to Emery. A couple of those are now with ATI.
 
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:29 pm

Also a note of interest, ABX converted several DC-8-61 with the older short duct engines to the long duct like the -63 series. Can really only tell the difference by the shorter wing and if still installed the turning bogie on the main gear.
 
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:02 pm

The DC 8 took off on spet 20.
The takeoff was quite spectacular with lots of smoke.
Should have another couple of pictures on the net soon.
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:13 pm

I had not known about the nacelle conversions that had been done by ABX. When I first saw a shot of one it drove me crazy.It had a DC-8-61 registration but it looked like a 63. It took me a couple of months before I found out what they had done!

The Murray 63s are based here at YIP. It's great to be able to see them still operating.UPS has 3 70s at DTW every day. Wish they flew in the daylight!
 
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:22 pm

Ryan

N921R is inbound from HNL and due to arrive here at YIP at 2:48. It also made a stop at Fiji. Quite a long haul!
 
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:27 am

DC8jet, I hate to bring you bad news, but UPS in supposed to start serving DTW with A300s later this year.
 
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DC-8

Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:04 am

In Spain Cygnus Air is operating 3. 2 62F and a bigger one 73CF with new CFM engines. Some weeks ago I did a Madrid Stansted Frankfurt Madrid, it was more that great.


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RE: Douglas DC 8

Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:54 am

One more thing, on the DC-8-63 with the long duct most had the JT3D-7 power, there were several operators that used also the -3 just reduced the thrust of the others. This is an approved "Inter mix" and quite commonly used.
You could have 3 each -7 and one -3 installed, you would have to reduce the -7 engines to -3 power.
 
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:39 am

AirEMS...All the birds of the late 50's-early 60's that did not have fans were quite noisy and smoky of the fuel make-up, the odor was a heavy kerosene, much deeper then the odor of today. You may be right about the 880. That one left a trail of smoke on T/O more visible then the 707 waterburners or the DC8-10 or 20 that did not have fans. The twin jet Caravelle was also tops in the smoke and noise category. We always knew when a Caravelle took off and didn't have to look skyward to see the aircraft type. The BAC 111 also had a unique sound at take-off but not much smoke compared to the French counterpart.
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:50 am

isitsafenow

The BAC One-Eleven had a different engine to the Caravelle. The 1-11 was Spey powered and the Caravelle had the Avon, which was a pure turbojet like the Comet with the same powerplant.

Later 1-11 aircraft had the Spey 512DW engine which had water injection and were also smokers, but not tremendously so.

If only BAC had got the finance to develop the BAC 2-11 and 3-11...you might not have seen an Airbus today. But that's another debate altogether.

As for the Diesel 8...people who know about such things (namely pilots and others actually in the business) reckon that if the CFM engine had been available earlier then the DC8 could concievably have enjoyed another ten or fifteen years of limited production. Tank-like construction with better economics would have had a steady stream of freighter orders and even passenger variants (think of it as a long range 757)
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:11 pm

Isitsafenow, your dream may have come partially true. Plans were to retire four DC-8s after peak, those plans have been cancelled and the four will now be put through C check instead. UPS long term fleet plan calls for the DC-8 to be in service through at least the end of the decade.
 
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:18 pm

If I had to could compare the Diesel Eight to a military jet; it would be a cross between an A-4 Skyhawk, and the F-4 Phantom (all MD products). The airframe is very resilient, able to tolerate large amounts of damage; and fast and able to carry a large payload.

A few years back, we accomplished a D check on a DC-8-62, for what was then Aero Peru (OB-1248). When we received this a/c for mx, it was incredible; there were holes, yes holes, that had corroded thru the fuselage skin; longeron 24 was cracked, MLG trunnion cracked, on and on and on. This airplane took more than a year in the hangar, had a lot of structural mods accomplished: Upper skin mod (57-86), the pylon foot stools (57-87) and the lower skin mod (57-88).

This thing arrived in a coma and left like new. There was a thread recently in this forum as to what airplane is the most robust; this is it, the DC-8.
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:43 pm

love these birds have one permantly on my desktop.....i remember the smell and noise from the DC8 tubes.... OOPPPS showing my age again  Smile

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RE: Douglas DC 8

Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:21 pm

Always loved the "diesel-8's" and always will.

Isitsafenow..you said it well for the younger guys (and gals) on here ..thats what it WAS all about!


Amen Brother!


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RE: Douglas DC 8

Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:28 pm

Major mistake to discontinue making the DC-8 years ago, imagine it today in production with 2 man flightdeck and CFM power along with all the other improvemnets that have been made in technology.
 
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:12 am

Just saw this beauty taking off from SAN the other day:


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RE: Douglas DC 8

Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:36 am

Tampa Cargo Airlines from Colombia still operates 4 DC-8-71F out of their base here in BOG, although they are in the process of being replaced by 767-200F. www.tampacargo.com
 
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:18 am

All DC-8-10's were converted either to Series 20 or Series 50, except the two UA ships that crashed, one that collided with a TWA L-1049A over Staten Island, in 1960, and the one that crash landed at Denver the next spring.

Only two airlines operated the series 10, United and Delta. All of Delta's were converted to Series 50's while most of UA's became series 20's and a few became "Mark IV" series 50's.

The only airline to order Series 20's from the factory were Eastern and National.

Only six airlines operated water wagon 707-100's, which shared the DC8-10's power plant: PA, WA Transworld Airlines (USA)">TW, AA, CO, WA, QA, and the USAF. The Qantas -138, were short bodied, and unique to that airline. PA, AA, QA, and the Air Force converted theirs to JT-3D Fan Jet power (Series 50 in the Eight). WA Transworld Airlines (USA)">TW converted some of theirs. The 124's, and 139's were not converted. The Western 139's were ordered by Cubana, but canceled after Castro's takeover.

No 707's were converted to JT-4 power, and only Braniff ordered the domestic JT-4 powered 707-227, the Boeing version of the DC-8-20.

There is much talk about how Boeing's design was more versatile because they offered three different fuselage lengths, however, Douglas's primary disadvantage was the one year later delivery schedule. This induced AA, PA, and WA Transworld Airlines (USA)">TW to order the Boeing airplane, and gave Boeing a lead it never relinquished; but 40+ years later, the later model DC-8's are still widely used, and the 707's are gone, and the USAF's re-winging and engining of the KC-135 is not the reason.
 
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RE: Douglas DC 8

Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:20 am

That ATI pic in Reply #30 is now my new desktop pic!

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RE: Douglas DC 8

Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:26 pm

Sorry about the delay.
Here are the other pictures I took.


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RE: Douglas DC 8

Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:47 pm


Hi!

Here in LIS the DC-8 used to be a "common client" during the 60's/70's/80's. The first recall I have is going with my dad to the airport and see a PAN AM DC-8-33:


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Then we had the regular daily flight from CPAir arriving from Toronto and Montreal with the Super Sixty. Besides those we had VIASA flying from Caracas, KLM, SWISSAIR and SAS, from those SWISSAIR would stop in LIS for fuel and KLM also.
Latter in the 70's CPAir kept comming but they would use the shorter 40 series in the winter, once a while they would come with the only 50 series they had and in the summer the 63 series was the one. KLM used LIS for their flights to Suriname and used their DC-8-63, once a while a DC-8-55F would make an out of the blue flight. SAS had a stop for their South American routes mostly flying the DC-8-62 but from time to time they would come with the 63. SWISSAIR stopped comming with the DC-8-62 until the DC-10 was gounded, then we had a month with SR DC-8's comming regulary. VIASA used the DC-10 but also with their grounding we started to see the DC-8-63 again.
In 1980 Air Zaire started a route from Kingshasa to Brussels via LIS with the DC-10 but once a while they would come with the DC-8-63. Iberia in the end of DC-8 career came often with the DC-8-63 and one day they diverted one of their DC-8-55F from a flight from USA to LIS. I don't know why but sure it was a great sight.
We had some charter airlines from USA and europeans that used LIS regulary, Capitol with the DC-8-30, 50, 61 and 63, TIA with DC-8-61 and 63, Evergreen with DC-8-50, 61 and 63, Nordair from Canada used a summer the one and only DC-8-61 they had and latter 2 DC-8-50's. From Europe the "best client" was Balair and they used LIS has a stop for their caribean flights, they operated with the DC-8-50, 62 and even the 63. I could keep goin on and on but just wanted to give a small taste of this great airplane in LIS.
Last time I saw a DC-8 was 2 weeks ago at GVA, there was a nice looking DC-8-62.
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