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American Airlines DC-10s?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:38 pm

Will AA bring there DC-10 fleet out of storage anytime soon or are they shelved? What routes was AA using for this bird. There are currently 29 stored. Thanks for any comments.

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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:47 pm

They are either going to be converted in freighters for FedEx or scrapped. There is no way AA will bring them back. They have been out of AA's fleet for many years nor do they don't have any pilots with a current type rating. Also, HA renewed their fleet with the 767 because AA no longer was going to provide maintenance/spares for the DC-10s leased to HA.
 
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:54 pm

Any chance that Northwest is going to take them?  Big grin
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:36 pm

Oh, please don´t tell our Airlines here that there are so many of those birds.  Love ... We have enough of them still flying !  Big grin
 
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:02 pm

No way would NW even think of these. All have been mothballed and waiting conversion or the scappers torch. AA dc-10 wer powerd by GE CF 6 engines.

While , I assume the DC-10-30 that NW still ops are GE powered, my guess is that they are of a different varient. Maybe one of our friends at NW can clarify.


In the long/ big picture, the DC-10 served AA well...they were bought at a great price and flew untold miles over the 20 + yrs with AA.

I'm not going into the ORD incident..not enuf time this AM.

Bottom line, AA more than got their moneys worth out of these birds.
 
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:04 pm

Anyway, aren't NW looking at replacing some of their DC10's with the 7E7?
 
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:08 pm

These are tired birds that have flown many hours in honorable service to AA and they deserve a decent burial. The DC-10, although it had some design problems, is a great aircraft with awesome looks.
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:11 pm

The A330's are replacing the DC-10's. The 7E7 would be a not be used as a replacement but as for growth.




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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:47 am

NW is replacing (maybe) their DC-10s with A330s and 753s (one international, one domestic). They do seem to be keeping some around though. I bet they might still wear redtails for a while, much like the 741s did, doing charters and the like
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:39 am

All of AA's DC10's have been sold to FEDEX or to scrap metal companies. AA no longer owns any of the 10's parked at MHV,GYR or MZJ
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:08 am

Where did the AA DC-10s fly to?

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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:26 am

While , I assume the DC-10-30 that NW still ops are GE powered, my guess is that they are of a different varient. Maybe one of our friends at NW can clarify.

Wasn't NWA the one airline that ordered DC-10-40's? The book I have describes this model as using a particular engine variant that only NWA wanted (and that's all that distinguishes it from a DC-10-30). Do they still fly 30's or 40's? Did they retire all the 40's for commonality reasons?

I know AA mainly flew DC-10-10's. I think the 30's were all secondhand?
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:41 am

A friend of mine used to deadhead a lot on DC-10s and thought it had the best cockpit. The visibility was tremedous, and the instrument panels were laid out with every gauge, switch, and button where he would want it.

DC-10s were used on the vast majority of AA's routes over the years, including routes that are now flown by Eagle, such as ORD-BUF
 
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:44 am

What international flights did the AA DC-10s make? DFW-HNL?

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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:06 am

AA's DC10s flew several international routes over the years
DFWLGW
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DFWORY
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ORDCDG
ORDFRA
ORDDUS
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LAXYYZ
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Truley a great airplane that I will always miss!



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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:11 am

The DC-10 formed the basis of AA's international fleet for many years, so pretty much most international destinations were served with the -10.

DFW-HNL is not an international flight.

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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:11 am

Im too young I never got to fly one with an AA livery. Where can I get a hitch on one now. NW the only still using?

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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:15 am

What international flights did the AA DC-10s make? DFW-HNL?

hmmmmmm, interesting post.
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:16 am

Wasn't NWA the one airline that ordered DC-10-40's?

Not the only one, but close. Besides NW, the only other airline to order the DC-10-40 was Japan Air Lines. They still have most of theirs.

The book I have describes this model as using a particular engine variant that only NWA wanted (and that's all that distinguishes it from a DC-10-30).

The -40 is the only Pratt & Whitney powered DC-10. So that's where the difference is. All other DC-10s (-10 and -30) are GE CF6-powered.

Do they still fly 30's or 40's? Did they retire all the 40's for commonality reasons?

All -40s are gone. Parked in the desert. They were older than most of the -30s NW has, and had mostly been used on domestic runs in their last few years.
 
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:36 am

Back in July 1976, AA D10s flew such routes as:

DTW-SYR
DTW-ORD
BOS-JFK
ORD-EWR
CLE-JFK
BDL-JFK
LAX-JFK
PHX-JFK
SFO-JFK
IAD-JFK
PHX-ORD
PHX-LAX
PHX-JFK
PHX-SFO
PHX-DFW
DFW-LAX
LAX-ORD
LAX-SAN
LAX-YYZ
LAX-IAD
SAN-ORD

Just to name a few!



 
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:40 am

I flew on a NW DC-10-30 MEM-AMS this month. Nice plane. The bins were the older 70s style and didn't hold the newer roll-ons, but that's not the fault of the plane. It sure does climb well. I sat in the back too, right under the engine, and I didn't think it was that noisy.
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 8:15 am

You have got to be kidding me. No way would AA bring their DC-10s back into the fleet. THey have no need for them. Yes, I would love for them to be back in the fleet, but they are just too old and fuel-efficient to benefit AA (besides, haven't the majority of AA's DC-10s been sold to Fed Ex or other airlines?). The DC-10s have been gone for 4-6 years now. I can't imagine AA would want them back.
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 8:17 am

Oh...didn't see your remark in the post, AA777jr  Laugh out loud

The 29 AA DC-10s you claim are in storage have to be near breaking up time....they have been stripped of their tiles and their engines have long since been removed. Tri-jets seem to have a bad taste with passenger airlines nowadays (even NW is going to start getting rid of them in the next few years I'll bet)...
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 8:21 am

What international flights did the AA DC-10s make? DFW-HNL?

hmmmmmm, interesting post....

I agree

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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 8:55 am

Are there even enough flight engineers kicking around to staff a wholesale DC-10 reactivation? When Fedex Converts to MD-10s as we know they become 2 place cockpits.
 
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:48 am

My first ever First Class filght was in an AA DC-10-10 in March of 1982. ORD-PHX AA had run an AAdvantage program a few months previous that if you flew 5000 miles in a month you got a free F/C ticket anywhere they flew except Hawaii. Only catch was it was only good for about 3 months after that. My father was flying a ton at the time and was a chater AAdvantage member due to his Admirals Club membership. So i got to visit my grandparents that spring. And so I boarded the plane all dresses up in a blazer and white slacks. The f/a soon asked what I would like to drink after take-off and I casually told her "gin and tonic" and she didn't bat an eye. I was 17 at the time. She then asked what I would like for lunch, a rib-eye steak, duck, or trout. I chose the steak. As I had a window seat, I did not eat at the tables that those in the center seats had, with the swivel seats to make a table for four. Shortly after take-off the drinks were served, a neat little tray with two minis of Beefeater, a can of Canada Dry tonic, and a tumbler of ice. Then came the shrimp cocktail, followed by a chef's salad, then the entrees. Then the sundae cart and after dinner drinks. The meal service lasted about 2/3 of the flight. I thought the elevator to the galley below was the most amazing thing, an elavator on an aiplane!! Those were the days.
 
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:50 am

Believe it or not, AA flew the DC-10 from ELP - DFW ... hard to imagine now
 
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:54 am

Also,A^A used to fly ROC-LGA if you believe that! Aaaahh,pre-deregulation  Smile
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:28 am

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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:41 am

**Any chance that Northwest is going to take them?**

Maybe Northwest will stumble across them in the Desert when they buy those Continental, USAir and Air Tran DC-9s that are parked out there.  Nuts
 
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:12 am

DFW-HNL is definately not international, but it was flown by the DC-10-30 until its retirement and replacement by the 767-300. I flew HNL-DFW on an AA DC-10 and had a FA spray me with some Coke when she opened the can due to some minor, but prolonged turbulance during the flight. It also happened to me on my return AA LAX-HNL flight, on another DC-10.
 
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:33 am


Also,AA used to fly ROC-LGA if you believe that! Aaaahh,pre-deregulation

Really? When? Was it a continuation of a DFW-LGA or ORD-LGA run?
 
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:41 am

AA flew their Dc-10s almost every where, within AA's network at one time or another.
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:28 pm

This quite a silly topic considering AA's finances but here it goes.

Most of the remaining DC-10 will probably be cannibalized over time to support FedEx's MD-10s. No further freighter conversion is planned due to market conditions.
JL now has only 9 DC-10-40 down from a high of 20. Hardly, most remaining. The rest are to be retired next fiscal year.
The NW DC-10s are going to be retired as the A330 come on-line but any timetable for permanent withdrawal?
Anyways, long live the -10.
 
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:33 pm

As late as 1993, AUS-DFW was flown by a DC-10, likely as a continuation to another city.
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:41 pm

The wackiest DC-10 route I ever flew was ORD-BIL on NWA in the late 70's.
 
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:15 pm

DTW-ORD on an AA DC-10 was pretty sweet about 15 years ago.
 
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:49 pm

In regards to the original post, the DC-10s that are in the desert that use to be flown by AA are probably going to be living their for the rest of there days. If FedEx hasnt picked up on them already then its probably a pretty legit guess that they arent going to be flown again. Most of them have MANY hours/cycles on them and would need a LOT of TLC. However their still might be some that FedEx has bought that are sitting out there and waiting on a converstion. Either way, AA's DC-10s are gone FOREVER. They have over 45 777 and many more 762/763. There would be no need for the DC-10 anymore in the AA fleet. Id say they would have brought the MD-11 back before the DC-10 but all of the retired AA MD-11's are flying with FedEx.

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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:24 pm

I never meant DFW-HNL was international, I just remember seeing pictures of a three engine plane with AA on the livery at HNL. That's all I meant. Didn't that flight continue to KIX? I've asked the mediators to remove reply 17 and 23. You guys need to get a life.

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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:28 pm

Aa777jr., I believe that yes the DC-10 did operate DFW-HNL for AA...they had DC-10-30s with sufficient range to fly the route....if it wasn't a DC-10 you saw, it was an MD-11. The last revenue DC-10 flight for AA was a -30 operating DFW-HNL.
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:31 pm

One route I know for sure they operated for AA was ORD-LAX, the cursed AA Flight 191 route...R.I.P. N110AA and its passengers.
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:41 pm

Thanks Thrust!

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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:47 pm

The last DC-10 was retired end 2000, I believe it arrived in DFW bound from HNL. Yes indeed, for many years, American flew the DC-10-30 Series aircraft from DFW to HNL (now it's a 767-300). The DC-10 had been in service with American for 29 years and it was the flagship of the fleet, American was the airline who launched it. The -10 variant entered service in 1971 and served since then as the backbone of the widebody fleet on mainline high density domestic routes such as JFK-LAX and ORD-LAX, and several other routes in the system. Until the mid 1990's you could see a lot of them in DFW, ORD and LAX.
Back in 1991/1992, American flew the DC-10-30 on the DFW-BRU route, in addition to DFW-FRA, DFW-LGW and ORD-FRA as mentioned in one of the replies above.

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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:42 pm

N62NA,I don't know if that route was a continuation or not. I have a newspaper picture from DCA-ROC Guy from the 70's that shows a DC10 that skidded off the runway in the snow. I can post them when I get home.
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:16 pm

Mcg:

If I believed in the respect ratings here at A.net you would be there! Flew a DC-10 ORD-BIL??? I know it's true because I was there also and I also have NW printed timetables from back in the day to back your claim. If you can remember back then: how many passengers on the flight and how much runway did you use at BIL after touchdown ??? Did you go on to SEA after that???
 
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:15 pm

Don't forget the DTW-BUF segment!

Also the famous "Windsor" incident of June 1972 (DTW-BUF) the precursor to the THY accident in Paris.
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:19 am

What international flights did the AA DC-10s make? DFW-HNL?

hmmmmmm, interesting post....

I agree

Geographically challenged and a result of the fine educational school system here in the US....!!

Actually, if you work for AA, all mainland-Hawaii flights require international qualified crews. Which means that for the crews the flights are international.
 
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:40 am

I worked YYZ-ORD many times on the 10´s. Short and sweet. What a great airplane!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:52 am

Japan Airlines was technically the only airline to order the DC-10-40 which used 50,000lb Pratt & Whitney JT9D-25 engines instead of General Electric engines. When NWA--then known as "Northwest Orient"--ordered the aircraft, it was designated the DC-10-20. Northwest requested that Douglas retitle the aircraft the -40 claiming that this latest series was so vastly improved and technologically superior over the original design (the -30) that NWA wanted to advertise that they were operating the latest version of the DC-10. The other less popular version of the DC-10 was the -15 used by Mexicana and Aeromexico for hot and high operations out of Mexico City.

[Edited 2004-09-30 20:58:34]
 
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RE: American Airlines DC-10s?

Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:40 am

Some more AA Dc-10 routes:
DFW-LAS
DFW-SJU
LAX-EWR
ORD-DFW (then went to MD-11 then to 777)
HNL-OGG

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