Jalalabad
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767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Sun Oct 03, 2004 10:36 am

in the 'detailed product information' pdf on the boeing website, it shows the 767-300 having a possible coach arrangement of 3-3-3. is this possible?
 
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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Sun Oct 03, 2004 10:44 am

I've seen many operators (charter) use 2-4-2. I CANNOT imagine using 3-3-3 in a 767...it's tight enough in a 777. Whatever, airlines will do anything to make more money. I just can't imagine such a configuration, I mean, I think the thinnest of people would have a hard time fitting in those seats!
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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Sun Oct 03, 2004 10:48 am

No way. The seven-six just isn't wide enough. As NY355 pointed out, 2+4+2 (=8) is too cramped for scheduled service. No way would 3+3+3 (=9) work for humans. Monkeys and small children, maybe.

(Then again, in the 60s, a UK charter airline operated Tridents with 7 abreast seating; 4+3, believe it or not.)
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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:27 am

What specific page are you referring to? Please link the document and list the page... I find this a little absurd. Are you sure you didn't click the 777 series by accident?
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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:30 am

In the product review published by Boeing, it only shows the 2+4+2 seating, I have never seen 3+3+3 published anywhere.
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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Sun Oct 03, 2004 12:06 pm

Jalalabad is actually correct. The detailed product review in pdf format for the 767-300 shows 9 across seating for the aircraft.

It's clearly a mistake when the graphic was made...the boundaries of the seating extend beyond the exterior cabin walls--interesting concept!

Likely, when compiling the information, they copied a section of the 777 into the area.

Don't believe. Go check. Not going to take the time to post a link for the lazy.



 
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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Sun Oct 03, 2004 12:26 pm

Don't believe. Go check. Not going to take the time to post a link for the lazy.

Then why should we take the time to listen to you? If you're going to make a claim, support it...
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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Sun Oct 03, 2004 12:54 pm

I remember seeing 2-4-2 as a charter config....pretty darn cozy!
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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Sun Oct 03, 2004 1:15 pm

 
Jalalabad
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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Sun Oct 03, 2004 4:16 pm

here is a screen shot, for those who don't want to search through the pdf:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/jalalabad/767uberhighdesnity.jpg


i counted the seats, and there are 195 economy seats, not 150 like is written on the side. i should have thought of that. interestingly enough, the 737 pdf shows the single class -900 layout with 190 seats, but says it has 177. oops!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/jalalabad/737900.jpg
 
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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Sun Oct 03, 2004 5:49 pm

It's on pages 16 and 17 for those wanting to look at the pdf nonetheless - that can only be an error, after all, you see some of the seats being shown not inside the cabin, but right on the line that depicts the aircraft outside skin.

And after all - 2-4-2 is (reportedly) bad enough in a B767, 3-3-3 is awful on the wider (than the B767) Airbus widebodies, so 3-3-3 on a B767 would probably be close to a violation of the Geneva Conventions...  Big grin

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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:09 pm

Well, it could as well be all 9 abreast without any aisle. Well, the first airliner in the world to have no aisles. Lol. Anyway, it's interesting to see how Boeing, being a professional manufacturer, could actually get a brochure for their product completely wrong! I mean, come on, if it was some kind of a cheapo manufacturer, then these aren't a problem, but Boeing...

Well, hope they've learnt something out of this mistake (if they picked it up)

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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:53 pm

9 abreast without isles = c/c has to throw out the food n drinks!!!

"I have to go to the bathroom"!!

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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Sun Oct 03, 2004 7:51 pm

Has anyone thought to count the seats, and compare with how many boeing have stated?

By the side of the diagram it says 150 seats at 34" pitch. Well theres 21 rows, plus an extra 3, so that makes 192. But however if you ignore the seats sticking through the walls and have 21 rows of 7 with the extra 3, then you get the 150 stated by Boeing  Smile


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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:44 pm

Dfw...I could care less if you listen to me, respect me, or piss on me if I'm on fire. Not every blatantly clear reference needs to be linked--that's ridiculous. And most folks here see the absurdity of the request.

 
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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:09 am

I have flown on a Skymark Airlines (JA767A) twice and let me tell you...

They configure their coach seating as 2-4-2. My wife, being Japanese, can fit in that horridly small seat, but even myself, being a native born American with a size 34 (inches) waist, I cannot seem to get even slightly comfortable in those seats. Armrest room is almost nonexistent, and when walking in the aisles, it feels more like trying to squeeze your way through a crowded train when in dire need of getting to the restroom before your soil yourself.

767 with a 2-4-2 seating arrangement-BAD.

767 with a 2-3-2 seating arrangement-satisfactory.

777 with a 3-3-3 seating arrangement-comfortable.

I cannot stand a 767 on a flight that lasts longer than a few hours. I flew on an Air Canada 767 from YVR to NRT in January, and that was about the most uncomfortable long haul 767 flight that I have had. The most uncomfortable 767 flight that I have ever had would have been the afore mentioned Skymark airlnes flight.

Regardless of the price, forget their 49 day advance one way purchase price of 10,000 yen (about 90 USD) between Tokyo and Fukuoka. Fly JAL and get their new J class seats for an extra 1,000 yen (about a little over 9 bucks).
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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:49 am

I was checking out the TUI website last nite and they operate some of their 767's in a 2-4-2 config in Y class. Hopefully that will never appear here in the US on one of our carriers.


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SEQU
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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:25 am

IIRC, a friend at My Travel told me they operated the Hajj flights from Indonesia to Saudi with a 307 pax configuration, single class obviously!!! I believe they had 3+3+3.....

Maybe someone in the U.K. can confirm?

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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:57 pm

One word: Impossible

3-4-3 in 777 is uncomfortable too.
Why berate the 767 when it has the standard 2-3-2?
Just beacuse one had ONE bad experience.
I don't think it's too bad at all. I have been in a few 10+ hour rides in 763, no problemo.
 
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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:08 pm

Two questions:
Would this configuration cause weight problems? Charter aircraft are notorious for being full and the 8 across scenario (I commented in another thread earlier), is absolutely horrid. The seat is a 16in seat with a 1.5 in arm rest, with a very narrow aisle (pretty sure under 15").

An average American's bottom barely fits in a 17 in seat. If you are under 6 ft and over 250, forget it.

Any thoughts? I know I've seen the pictures, but can the bird get off the ground with that many bodies in it?
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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:19 pm

IIRC, a friend at My Travel told me they operated the Hajj flights from Indonesia to Saudi with a 307 pax configuration, single class obviously!!! I believe they had 3+3+3.....

Maybe someone in the U.K. can confirm?


Nope they didnt have 3-3-3! It was 2-4-2 like all the standard 767 charters in the UK. Heres a seatmap for Britannia Airways in the UK.



In that config theres 328 seats. Fair enough it is a little tight but what do you expect on a charter airline?

I'm beginning to thing that no one read my post above regarding the mistake by Boeing in the pic  Confused

Ah and a self plug showing the 2-4-2 config on an Excel 767-200 (ex BY)

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Photo © James Matthews



Ah yeh forgot to add the 767-200 seats 290 in a UK charter config. (Only 10 more than a 757-300 of 280pax)

Jamo

[Edited 2004-10-04 09:21:13]
 
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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:02 pm

Thanks for the correction...

Saludos,

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RE: 767: 3-3-3 Seating?

Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:51 pm

I have flown on JAS (Japan Air System) when it still existed. Personally I would rate their inflight service as the best of all domestic service in Japan. Yet I can't understand their configuration.

Its 2-5-2

I was right in the middle of that five. Boy I thought I was going to die!!!!

So uncomfy, the 3-3-3 is much better.

The 767 is comfy in terms of seating arrangments. 2-3-2? That is good compared to 747 3-4-3. However, the 2-5-2 was the most irritating experience that I had.
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