I know that American operates the 762ER on the NYC-LAX/SFO premium routes. How old are these aircraft compared to their 763ERs? What are their plans for retiring the 762ERs a few years down the road. What will AA replace them with? Any comments?
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AA's 767-200ERs are, on average, about 16 to 17 years old, which would make them a couple of years older than AA's oldest 763ER. Remember, the AA 763ER fleet was acquired over many many years.....AA's newest 763ER is only about a year old and was part of an order made to replace the ex-TWA 767s. Note that AA only flies the ER version of the 762 at the moment, it has parked the its non-ER models (which are about 18 to 20 years old) and it does not seem as if those aircraft will retutn to service.
I do not think that AA has any plans at the moment to replace its 762s, they still have years of flying left and are low-cycle aircraft, most only fly 2 segments per day. The 762s are the right size for the transcon routes on which they are utilized.....frequency is important in this market and the 763s or 777s would simply be too big to maintain the current number of flights. UA has decided to try 757s with a special premium service configuration on its JFK-California transcons, which are very oriented towards full fare/premium pax, but I do not think that AA will follow UA's lead.....AA is still very much interested in moving lots of passengers between the coasts while UA is tailoring its flights to its loyal business customers.
Eventually, when finances permit, I assume that AA will look to replace its 762 and A300 fleets (and eventually its 763 fleet) with versions of Boeing's 7e7....however, AA is certainly in no position to order new aircraft at the moment, AA's 3rd quarter results were rather dismal and AA still has a way to go to return to profitability.
I do not think that AA has any plans at the moment to replace its 762s, they still have years of flying left and are low-cycle aircraft, most only fly 2 segments per day. The 762s are the right size for the transcon routes on which they are utilized.....frequency is important in this market and the 763s or 777s would simply be too big to maintain the current number of flights. UA has decided to try 757s with a special premium service configuration on its JFK-California transcons, which are very oriented towards full fare/premium pax, but I do not think that AA will follow UA's lead.....AA is still very much interested in moving lots of passengers between the coasts while UA is tailoring its flights to its loyal business customers.
Eventually, when finances permit, I assume that AA will look to replace its 762 and A300 fleets (and eventually its 763 fleet) with versions of Boeing's 7e7....however, AA is certainly in no position to order new aircraft at the moment, AA's 3rd quarter results were rather dismal and AA still has a way to go to return to profitability.
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So is there the possibility of doing what UA did on their 757 but with AA on their 762? Boy would that be fun!!
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AA's 762ERs are three class, premium product aircraft with 9 first class seats, 30 business class seats and 119 coach seats. It is, in my opinion, the best trans-con service out there. First class pax still get five course meals on china, business class gets a great three course meal and coach still receives hot meals on these flights.
First class pax are also treated to personal DVD players with 20 movie selections and Bose Noise Cancelling headsets.
The 762ERs operate between JFK and LAX and JFK and SFO. AA used to have three class trans-cons between IAD-LAX, MIA-LAX, BOS-LAX, BOS-SFO and MIA-SFO. These all ended with the 762 non-ER aircraft going into storage.
First class pax are also treated to personal DVD players with 20 movie selections and Bose Noise Cancelling headsets.
The 762ERs operate between JFK and LAX and JFK and SFO. AA used to have three class trans-cons between IAD-LAX, MIA-LAX, BOS-LAX, BOS-SFO and MIA-SFO. These all ended with the 762 non-ER aircraft going into storage.
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So is there the possibility of doing what UA did on their 757 but with AA on their 762? Boy would that be fun!!
Its what theyve been doing..
Its what theyve been doing..
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I would love to see AA bring back BOS-LAX with a 762 as I dont like the 738's on such long routes. I dont like being on the 738 for that long. But thats what I have to do when I fly to BOS.
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I really don't care if I am on a widebody or a narrowbody, as long as the service is good and I find a way into the exit row. Also, unless I am on a 747 or L-1011, I prefer a 757 to any plane. I flew United's old flagship product on the 762 last year LAX-JFK-LAX on a trip to FRA (LH FRA-JFK-FRA, JFK-FRA on the relatively light 744 was great) and it was fine. I found it strange to still have 3 class service on a domestic route, but Y was empty while the front was full, so UA probably made some money on the deal.
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AA's 762ERs are three class, premium product aircraft with 9 first class seats, 30 business class seats and 119 coach seats. It is, in my opinion, the best trans-con service out there.
Yes, but the "wooly mammoths" have to go. Those things are ugly and embarassing.
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Wooly Mammoths? Want to splain dat one to me mang?
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LONG LIVE THE WOOLEY MAMMOTH SEATS !!!!! I flow Transatlantic in both F and C class in the Wooley mammoth seats and i couldnt have been happier and the end if each flight!!!!!!!!
Go yakkin !!!!!!
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Wooly Mammoths? Want to splain dat one to me mang?
On AA's 3-class 762's, the F seats are these huge(hence mammoth) seats with sheepskin material(wooly). The last ones I saw looked kind of worn and gross.
I wouldn't pay to sit in those seats. I'd rather have a coffin.
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Does anyone have any pics of these "Wooley Mammoth" seats. I can't seem to ever find pics of AA's F class pics on the 767.
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The Woolly Mammoth seats are still around? I haven't been on a 762 in years because I fly international. I know the B/C seats are combination of cloth and leather. I always thought the sheepskin seats were ugly, too.
The 14 762s in Roswell aren't coming back. According to an AA mechanic in the forum, 7 of them are being broken up, and he would be in the know on those things. I don't expect AA to retire the remaining 762ERs anytime soon. Most are 1986 or 1987 vintage. There's also nothing AA could use as a replacement, for the time being, although 2 of its JFK-SFO flights are currently flown with a 763ER.
The 14 762s in Roswell aren't coming back. According to an AA mechanic in the forum, 7 of them are being broken up, and he would be in the know on those things. I don't expect AA to retire the remaining 762ERs anytime soon. Most are 1986 or 1987 vintage. There's also nothing AA could use as a replacement, for the time being, although 2 of its JFK-SFO flights are currently flown with a 763ER.
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The old wool seats on AA 767-200 A/C are being replaced with all leather. Yes, the seats are ugly, but VERY comfortable once you sat in them.
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I'm just wondering, does anyone have any pictures of these wooly mammoth seats, and of the all leather seats for comparison?
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You can't beat UA's A319's on trans-con flights.
I flew them PHL-LAX and offered excellent service. Very comfortable aircraft for 5.5hr flight.
I flew them PHL-LAX and offered excellent service. Very comfortable aircraft for 5.5hr flight.
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No one ever seems to have any pics of AA's 767 interiors. I want to see what there F class seats look like.
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Although odd looking, those wooly mammoth seats are extremely comfy. If I ever had a complaint about them, it would be that they make you hot sometimes. But then again, leather does that, too. It is true, they are being replaced. It seems the material was no longer available to replace them.
I share the same complaint with others about the lack of cabin pics of AA. I suppose I better start carrying my digi around with me and start taking those pix. I'll try to be better about that.
I share the same complaint with others about the lack of cabin pics of AA. I suppose I better start carrying my digi around with me and start taking those pix. I'll try to be better about that.
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I don't know, looks kinda comfy to me.
I'd pay to sit in them!
I'd pay to sit in them!
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they are like sitting in one of those ugly plush recliners that mar your thoughtful decor!
you never really want to look at them, but they are oh so comfy!
the past 4 trips i've done between JFK-LAX have not had the wolly seats, but the newer leather seats. still super comfy.
you never really want to look at them, but they are oh so comfy!
the past 4 trips i've done between JFK-LAX have not had the wolly seats, but the newer leather seats. still super comfy.