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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:18 am

With the Fleet Simplification process...personally I don't see the E190 coming to the property...that would mean Pilot training (millions of dollars) Flight Attendant training (Millions of dollars) ground training (millions of dollars)...adding the A318 would be non-cost when it comes to training...all three groups are trained on the Aircraft...it would have great range...for Example..the DTW-PBI operated on a DC9 is weight critical most of the time...the A318 would not be...

Just my two cents.
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:38 am

Whatever happened to the A380 and 7E7 being the replacement? I was looking forward to seeing the A380 being used on the DTW-FNT route.

I was hoping to see it on the DTW/DAY route!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:10 am

If NW goes for the A318 or A319...

Airplanelover, glad that you filled us all in that NW doesn't have any A319s!  Laugh out loud

With the Fleet Simplification process...personally I don't see the E190 coming to the property...

Air Canada decision to go with the E190 over the A318 is a very good example where the E190s lower trip costs outweigh fleet simplification. (You could add B6, as well, as a carrier that chose the 190 over the 318 and didn't go with fleet commonality).
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:15 am

Planemaker,

NWA's fleet plan has called for fleet commonality for the mear cost factor...Working for NWA, I just do not see them getting the E190.
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:46 am

NWAFA,

Even near term the E190 is significantly cheaper. All the cost items that you assigned millions to are, in fact, just relatively small incremental costs versus the capital costs of a new 100+ fleet to replace the DC9s.

In addition, the A318 would not be a zero sum acquisition where training costs are concerned because NWA would still have to incur the training costs for crews, F/As, mechanics, etc. to transition to the A318 from the DC9. While less these costs would be lower than for the E190, the difference is very small when weighed against the much higher capital and operating costs of the A318.

Too put it vividly, a 100+ E190 order could save NWA some $900-million to $1.2-billion dollars in capital costs. That is very NEAR TERM wouldn't you say!  Smile

Now add the lower trip and maintenance costs for the E190 and you have substatially more costs savings right out of the box - near term and continuing for the life of the airliner.

That is why AC chose the E190 EVEN though they have the A319 & A320, vis-a-vis commonality on the one hand, while on the other hand they have an existing fleet of CRJ200s and CRJ705s on order. Furthermore, the economics really had to work as the AC E190 fleet will be relatively small (45 aircraft).

To make the selection even harder for AC, Bombardier's HQ office is right across the street from AC HQ at YUL. And considering the incredible pressure from the Quebec and Canadian governments, the Ontario government (717 wings are manufactured in Toronto), unions and public opinion not to select the "hated" Brazilian product (there was an "anybody but Embraer campaign"), the E190 clearly had to have better all round economics for AC to justify the acquistion.
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:57 am

Planmaker,

The 318 has the same doors as the 319 and 320..so from the Flight Attendants, No training costs. The Flight Deck of the 318 is the same as the 319 and 320- so from the Pilots, no training costs. The 318 is the same ground handling as the 319 and 320 - so no training costs. Our current 319 and 320's have the same type of engine on them..Im sure if we went with 318, they would be the same too...so that is a cost savings.

Working for NWA, we have been told since the early 90's that the goal is to have fleet simplification...they want to have as few fleet types as possible....thats why we dumped our 9 MD80's we had...

IF and when there is announcement for the DC9 replacements...and the company goes with the E190, I will personally apologize to you, until then I really think I know my company...and the 318 is what I think they will go with.
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:16 am

NWAFA, you didn't listen to him- he pointed out, correctly it would seem, that the DC-9 flight attendants would have to be retrained for the 318. We're not talking about training 319 FAs to be 318 FAs, but Niners for 318.
Pilots too.

These costs will be seen with ANY acquisition of aircraft, regardless of which one NWA chooses.

I am still rooting for the 717. From a passenger's perspective, I far prefer it to the Airbus narrobodies, or the Boeings.
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:20 am

AA737,

NWA Flight Attendants are trained on ALL aircraft..it is better crew utiliziation. The A330 , the different crew bases are under way now for training.

So it comes back to what I said, there is NO cost for training on the A318.
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NWA Employees Choose The Embraer 190.

Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:43 am

Most NWA employees, including NWA FAs, think NWA should, and probably will, order Embraer 190s. Yawn This, from my close NWA friends and family.

On a more factual note:
Air Canada set a recent highly publicized example of this by picking the Embraer a/c over more Airbus A32X series.
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 5:24 am

Training F/A's is cheap comparing to training mechanics and other support people..
Been there....done that.
My $$ is still with the EM-190/195. The price of 140 of those compared to 140 A 318's or 717's weighs heavily.

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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:06 am

NWAFA,

I am not advocating the E190 so there is no need to apologize when NWA doesn't order the A318.  Wink/being sarcastic

I am merely pointing out that there is no economic justification to buy the A318 -- near term or long term. Though, honestly, I don't know how you can't understand that the A318 will cost NWA more money - short term and long term than the E190! Honestly, just do the math!

As I already pointed out, training costs are a mere pittance compared to acquisition costs!! And ALL crews have to do recurrent training anyway, especially the pilots! So the savings of having the A318 is relatively truly miniscule!! E190 costs training costs are just incremental - they won't even show up as a rounding error on the financial statements.  Big grin

So, not only would NWA spend an extra BILLION DOLLARS to buy the A318 than the E190 to replace the DC9s, but each flight A318 flight would cost significantly more to operate forever because the A318 is around 25,000 pounds heavier!!!

Furthermore, the A318 is not available with IAE V2500 engines that are on NWA's A319s and A320s - so NO engine commonality = no engine "simplification."

And dumping the MD-80s makes sense when you have only 9. But when you have 100+ of a single type (i.e. E190) the economies of scale far outweigh any "fleet simplification" when the type is much cheaper to buy and operate!!

You have to realize that as I pointed out already, both AC and B6 with large A319/320 fleets went with the E190. So why would NWA do any different?

As I said earlier, I am not advocating the E190. In all my previous NWA DC9 posts I have positited that, with possible Scope changes and NWA fleet simplification objectives, the most economic approach would be to have the regional carriers get CRJ705s and mainline to get more A319s.

As you can see, I really don't see ANY economic benefit for NWA to get the A318 (especially when it is so close in cost, weight and pax capacity to the A319). So it is I who will apologize to you IF NWA replaces their DC9s with A318s.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:10 am

As A NWA employee, I DO see NWA ordering the E190. They have said previously that the A318 is too heavy for a DC9 replacement. Although I could fathom a combined A318 and E190 order.
As far as fleet commonality, NWA would order enough of these airplanes to acheive cost saving due to economies of scale. That is the reason they got rid of the MD80's.
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:18 am

Planemaker,
Furthermore, the A318 is not available with IAE V2500 engines that are on NWA's A319s and A320s - so NO engine commonality = no engine "simplification."
NW doesn't have the V2500's. Our A319/320 are equiped with the CFM/SNECMA CFM56 engines.

I DO see NWA ordering the E190. They have said previously that the A318 is too heavy for a DC9 replacement.
NW has mentioned very little on any aircraft replacement regarding this class. I think you might've just read an odd post in one of the millions of DC9 threads
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:26 am

For simplicity sake I would like to see NWA purchase the A318. However, the more I read the more I think the best choice for NWA would be to go with the Embraer 190/195 and purchase more A319's in the future.

What is great about the 190/195 is the range. NWA could continue to develop our focus cities or develop new cities and start new flying. It is the increased flexibility that I think falls in line with the NWA business plan.

Since visiting this site I have learned about the Emb 170-195 series aircraft and gone to the website and done some reading there. From the very beginning I have thought that this series of aircraft would be a perfect fit for NWA.

Rumors sure have been around this week...

I have heard announcement about 7E7 purchase coming...
That NWA will take over ATA's 757's in June...
That NWA has training schedules to train new crews for anticipated purchase of USAirways A330's...
Endless rumors of new routes...

...and now this. It has definitely been a very interesting week.

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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:38 am

I have heard announcement about 7E7 purchase coming...
On a trip I was on recently, a 320 FO said that in the TA that was brokered, it included a payscale for the 7E7
That NWA will take over ATA's 757's in June...
Questionable with the RB211 engines on them, unless it's a dry lease and the maintenence is contracted out. Either that or they're re-engined. The latter could be plausable.
That NWA has training schedules to train new crews for anticipated purchase of USAirways A330's...
Possible, but from what I investigated, NW is more keen on the assembly-line slots for the future US A330's, for exercising options currently held.

Endless rumors of new routes...

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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:01 am

How much commonality is there between the different models of CF34 engine in the CRJ and the E190? That seems like it would be a selling point.

Has Boeing ever considered offering the 717 with non-RR engines?
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:07 am

One of my co-workers mentioned this to me last week. I really hope its not true. I just adore those DC babys!
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:14 am

Its not going to be the A318, because NW said they couldnt operate it because it gets somewhat poor economics and the fact its not exactly compatable with the gates at DTW, looks like the EMB!

All reported economics of the 318 have indicated extremely good economics. F9 publically released figures that were very impressive.

The engines are a problem at every jetway - but it requires training, not replacement. Bag loaders also seem to be a problem with the 318.

Possible, but from what I investigated, NW is more keen on the assembly-line slots for the future US A330's, for exercising options currently held.

I've heard both ways... it may even end up being a combination of the two.

The deciding factor may be that NW wants more 332s, and US doesn't currently have any.

US's delivery slots are all in 2007, however, and NW has been actively seeking to accelerate the delivery of their current orders.

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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:29 am

Jetjack74, thank you for the clarification. I just assumed that all of NWA's Airbus fleet tilted towards P&W.

How much commonality is there between the different models of CF34 engine in the CRJ and the E190?

The CRJ100/200 uses the CF34-3 which shares the least commonality among the all CF34s.

Both the CRJ700 (CF34-8C1) & CRJ900 (CF34-8C5) and the E170/175 (CF34-8E) all share the same basic engine.

The E190/195 share the CF34-10E which shares a lot in common with the -8.

It just shows the political pressure that was involved in the AC order when the 100-seater went to Embraer but the 70-seater went to Bombardier. The logical choice would have been to go all Embraer since Bombardier does not have a 100-seater.
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:31 am

I've heard both ways... it may even end up being a combination of the two.

The deciding factor may be that NW wants more 332s, and US doesn't currently have any.


Yeah, makes sense. Hopefully whatever the deal is, it will bolster the fleet.
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:58 am

The biggest arguments against the A318 and for the E190 at NWA are probably acquisition/leasing costs coupled with pilot pay. As others have said, the purchase price (and thus the lease cost) of an E190 is dramatically lower than the A319. Then add to that the fact that the A318 would be flown by the pilots at A320 wage rates, while the E190 would be flown at a wage rate probably comparable to current DC-9 rates, which are 10% lower than A320 family rates at NWA. Commonality is nice, but it cannot trump substantially lower direct operating costs.
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:38 am


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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:55 pm

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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:59 pm

What this thread has ballooned into is reasons why this website is a frickin' joke.

Good thing you're not one of those losers who participate in the forums, then, huh?

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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:11 pm

>The 318 has the same doors as the 319 and 320..so from the Flight Attendants, No training costs. The Flight Deck of the 318 is the same as the 319 and 320- so from the Pilots, no training costs. The 318 is the same ground handling as the 319 and 320 - so no training costs. Our current 319 and 320's have the same type of engine on them..Im sure if we went with 318, they would be the same too...so that is a cost savings.<

The pilots of the A319 and A320 may be trained to fly the A318, but DC-9 pilots are not, so you do have training costs involved. Beyond that, crew training is not the only thing factored in here. Like jetBlue has pointed out, the A318 is too heavy for its capacity and the E190 is so much more efficient, and cheaper, that it more than makes up for the costs of commonality
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 10:46 pm

OK, here's the scoop so far. I worked a redeye last night, and I asked the pilots about the possibilty of mainline NW pilots flying the E170/190 aircraft. According to the captain who happened to be on the negotiating committee for NWalpa, there is almost 0% chance of that happening. The company is going to lobby the union to agree on a proposal for junior-mainline pilots (mainly DC9 F/O's) to fly them with 9E with a top seniority over the 9E pilots. This will be for less pay of course. One of the reasons behind this, is to allow 9E FA's to fly them to keep those costs down. A bit of a dirty tricks campaign by NW, IMHO. NW is not seriously considering the A318, entertaining it yes, but very unlikely to order it. No decision will be made before Febuary at least.
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Tue Nov 02, 2004 11:34 pm

Interesting... but I doubt it will be at 9E. If past patterns prove to stick, NWA will force the planes on Mesaba. Then if the NWA pilots think we're going to roll over after continual backstabbing and allow them super seniority on our seniority list... they're smoking crack. They're welcome on our seniority list alright... AT THE BOTTOM.


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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:10 am


They're welcome on our seniority list alright... AT THE BOTTOM.

Well said, Az. I agree 100%.


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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:34 am

A318 - probably not

E190/195 - very possible, but

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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:02 am

Why not the 717 though? Costs are too high for what they would use them for?
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:14 am

Is there a pay issue between the DC9 and 717 with the pilots union?? If not, why would NW screw with success and not use the 717, since the 2-3 seating is one of the things that make the MD series popular with the people who actually fly them. But then again , when has an airline given a ---- about their customers who pay the bills.
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:46 am

Why not the 717 though? Costs are too high for what they would use them for?

There have been many debates here on the advantages and disadvantages of the 717, but here are the two big ones that I think are most relevant:

(1) Although the costs are great if it's used as a one-for-one DC-9 replacement on existing DC-9 routes, it does not offer the added flexibility of the other types, i.e. the additional range capability that would open up whole new route possibilities for NW (primarily DTW/MKE/IND to west coast). This is why, for example, TWA had ordered both the 717 and the A318, to get the best of both worlds--but now the E190 sort of makes it unnecessary to choose.

(2) It's an orphan. It's a great plane, but it's not likely that it will ever be part of a broader family, so there's no flexibility whatsoever to add larger or smaller types with any commonality. Neither the A318 nor the E190 has this problem.

Believe me, I would like nothing more than to see Boeing's sales staff overcome these obstacles, but it's not looking good. They are two very serious weaknesses, in my opinion.
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:40 am

"since the 2-3 seating is one of the things that make the MD series popular with the people who actually fly them. But then again , when has an airline given a ---- about their customers who pay the bills."

A rhetorical question -- Do you like flying F or Y?

FYI, the E190 Y-class cabin is almost... sorta... like flying first, especially on UAL's E170 E+......

- The seating is 2-2, no middle seats!

- The seats are 18.25" wide, almost as wide as some F seats.

- The aisle width is wider than the 757's.

So, if Y-class pax comfort is a priority, then the E190 is the only way to go! (It helps, as well, that purchase and operating costs are lower than the alternatives.  Big grin )

However, pilot union/management battles will obviously throw a spanner into making the "logical" aircraft choice. That is why I am going with this DC9 replacement combo:

- More mainline A319s to replace DC9-40s and -50s

- Regional CRJ705s to replace DC9-10s and -30s and the Avros (assuming, of course, that Scope is amended.)
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:43 am

NW better leave the regional a/c to Mesaba and Pinnacle. We don't need to get into sliding pay scales for NW pilots flying regional jets... I am sure they would try to get us on sliding scale for FA's too. A scale , B scale anyone??? Don't forget....NW has to maintain the numbers for the contract between regional jets and mainline (unless of course either side wants to renegotiate that one!)

Obviously, regional jets will continue to be a good financial move by any airline to keep costs down. Further expansion on this front can be expected. I don't think any firm decision will be made by the end of the year for any "replacement" a/c. I try to keep the DC9 name out of this because, I think we have all had our fill of "replacement" a/c for the 9. I prefer the bus, a lot roomier than any regional.
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:31 pm

It's not fair to assume that the decision to move routes to an RJ from a mainline jet will continue to be a simple dollars calculus. Two reasons: First, passenger backlash, which as Gerry Grinstein at Delta has pointed out, is increasing dramatically. Personally, I HATE them, particularly the larger ones. Too cramped. Grinstein got it right -- I have taken Airtran through Altanta numerous times to avoid a painful nonstop LGA-JAX flight on a Delta RJ. Second, perceived safety. That Pinnacle accident recently could just as well have been with a fully-loaded jet. Eventually, the media will ask: (1) what's the redundancy/safety of these things compared to a mainline jet [and don't give me all that crap about the FARs -- there's no comparison between a CRJ and a 717, sorry]; and (2) who the hell is flying them? Yes, the FAA has done a lot to make regional operation more comparable to mainline operation in terms of paper safety requirements, but there continue to be issues and accidents (read the embarassing cockpit chatter on the Air Midwest CVR and ask yourself whether that would be likely to have occurred on Delta mainline post-Dallas), and the experience and quality level of the pilots just isn't there.

My 2 cents.

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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:17 am

Favre,
How come you always post stuff and never reply to the responses?
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:14 am

I JUST GIVE THE INFO--I DONT LIKE PLAYING GAMES WITH PEOPLE..THATS WHY..BLF
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:45 am

Favre is correct on this. My Father-in-law who retires in January from NWA said the same thing yesterday. He's been a DC-9 mechanic since the days of Republic. He says it's a sad day. He was one of the first mechanics ever trained on the bird, but has been told the plane will be gone in short order and that the 717 has been out of the picture since about August.
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:59 pm

I got the chance to fly on a DC 9-10 from LAN to DTW on Wednesday. I checked its registration and it said it was delivered in 1966. Still flew great, just a bit loud


 
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RE: NWA DC-9 ** RUMOR**

Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:57 pm

Keep your fingers crossed....

But, wait, do we really want that? I mean, what will happen to our NW DC9 threads?


Never underestimate the creative minds here at "A- Net." Imagine a David Letterman Top 10 list on what to do with those NW DC 9's.

How about political debates regarding the scenario if NW ever decides to put em out to pasture!

Some light weight writer will come up with a book entitled "1001 things to do with those NW DC 9's!

The 37th. Incarnation of The Apprentice will have Donald Trump still with that 1970's awful coiff leading a group of hard bodied back stabbing young yuppie wannabees developing projects and business models for what to do with those NW DC 9's.

How about a revolutionary funeral service concept where you and your loved ones can fly to eternity on what else? A NW DC 9. Imagine your remains inside one of these oldie but goody jets plopping into the desert. Or, a special cemetery where old NW DC 9's are mausoleums. And there will be either economy resting spot or for some more money decay right up front in Business Class.
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Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos