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Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:04 pm

Well, today was the last day of service for American Eagle at ISP. Another one leaves. Any rumors for ISP??


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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:07 pm

So who's left?

*filler*
 
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:31 pm

So who's left?

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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:04 pm

US Airways Express/Colgan will be serving the route, service starts this weekend with Beech 1900s...this was one of the odd routes in the American system...you could only get to ISP via BOS, so it wasn't too convinient for connecting traffic, as you would either have to double connect and/or backtrack for the most part (the exceptions would be European travellers, and those heading to BGR pretty much).

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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:09 pm

you could only get to ISP via BOS, so it wasn't too convinient for connecting traffic, as you would either have to double connect and/or backtrack for the most part

It was backtracking, but the flight distance was extremely minimal. It was an easy way for Long Island passengers to use AA to key markets in the Caribbean, Florida, and California with only one-stop.

I think American Airlines/Eagle would have been better of serving Islip from O'Hare and Miami (Islip's single largest O&D market), though that probably wouldn't solve yield issues.
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:41 pm

U.S. Airways Express is going to serve that route now? That means expansion at ISP.


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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Mon Nov 01, 2004 5:19 pm

By looking at that timetable...Does Southwest fly to ISP?  Smile
 
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:19 am

The flight will be 3x daily on weekdays, once daily on Saturdays, twice daily on Sundays. It's still quite a drop-off in capacity, but at least ISP does have its BOS connection (which has been there for as long as I can remember).

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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:26 am

It's minor, but DL Connection will add a 4th flight from ISP to ATL beginning Jan 31st.

 
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 5:58 am

Was a sad day at ISP....



Best wishes to all the extremely friendly AE employees that worked at ISP...

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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:02 am

There is an airport at ISP???????  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Southwest again squeezes out another legacy carrier...........
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:04 am

Wow no more American of any kind at ISP anymore  Sad I remember back when American used to fly 727's into ISP.
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:11 am

Will they ever come back you think?


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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:22 am

A real good move would be for AirTran to go direct ISP/DFW, as WN can not fly to Love direct from ISP because of restrictions.
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:24 am

When American Eagle was at ISP I never understood why they didn't fly to ORD or CLT? Those would make more sense to me since they are American hubs.
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:31 am

AA was using MD80's direct to both ORD, and Raleigh Durham when that was a mini hub and filling them. They claimed that even with the flights @ 90% they lost money!!
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:35 am

I remember when AirTran served ISP with the 732 and went to MCO.

I also don't get why they discontinued the ISP-RDU/ORD routes. Too bad.



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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:39 am

AA was using MD80's direct to both ORD, and Raleigh Durham when that was a mini hub and filling them.

I remember that, Back in 1994 I flew from ISP to RDU (then on to MCO)and it was on a MD-80. (We got a 757 on the flight from RDU-MCO)
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:47 am

ISP isn't the only AE station on the chopping block......  Sad
 
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:56 am

But ISP has lost so much service over the years. Its very sad.



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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:08 am

While ISP has lost airlines, with all the destinations WN serves the service available is still "good" but competition is always better. Don't forget the NIMBY'S will always try to stifle any real expansion, no matter how beneficial to the local economy. I do wish someone could get me a one seat ride to DFW, or UAL would come back, even a regional to IAD twice a day so I don't have to go to LGA, or JFK, plus I would love to see the 717 here, even though DFW is about it's range limit.
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:42 am

I think that WN will expand a lot more now that they have this new terminal. They only have 8 destinations.

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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:53 am

That's 8 destinations direct, but if you want to make 35 stops I am sure they will get you most anywhere!!
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:08 am

BTW- Thanks for the picture AA 777!

You should do a trip report.

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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:22 am

AA 777,

Great pic! Though it is not so sad. I have never been the biggest fan of AA or AE. You ever want to spot or take pics at ISP let me know!

As for Rumors I still stick by the one I heard a few months ago that B6 will be there.
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:55 am

Was a sad day at ISP....

It was a sad day at PWM too......Eagle is gone from there on the same day as well.
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:43 pm

Was the flight full? Did the pilot say anything about it?



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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:10 pm

Why would B6 go to ISP???? I wouldn't believe that rumor at all. They try to avoid WN at all costs, so why meet them at an airport with no major metro area attached to it?
As for AE--it was meant to be a Saab route--the EMJ was too much (even the 135)
Sad fact is that ISP is one of those airports like DAB or MLB that the majors serve because they can charge an arm and a leg to get there. With WN at ISP this is no longer possible.

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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:46 pm

PJ,

Why would B6 avoid WN at all costs? B6 is the only carrier that can kick their ass! If B6 came to ISP I think WN would be a little nervous, hell I HATE Airbus equipment but if given the choice of ISP-LAS non-stop I would take B6 in a second! I still think in time they will be there.
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:08 am

B6 make WN nervous??? I doubt it. B6 for all the noise has nowhere near the size nor the staying power of WN. I think WN and B6 have a sort of 'gentleman's' agreement not to stomp on each other's toes.
 
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:20 am

They always stumped me with why they only served BOS! They had only 35 seats out 3x a day towards the end. That's not a lot of capacity. The more flights you have, the lower break even load factor. There is more of a base to draw from to pay for ISP fees, employees etc.
To go almost everywhere, ISP-BOS is backtracking. If they went to ORD, you would have some nice traffic connecting to the west coast.
Anyway, they got WN to cut the ISP-PVD route from 4 flights to none. They should of been doing good!
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:48 am

I back up NIKV69 totally. Although WN is my favorite airline, I would rather fly B6 the the west coast.



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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:00 am

Thanks Joe! Now why haven't you posted on the post of a get together at FRG! I want you there! Probably the 56th.

As for B6, in time they will be #1 airline. They have the newest fleet and much better service than WN.
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:38 am

AirTran ought to go into ISP and start low cost flights. Looks like WN won another battle.
 
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:54 am

I totally forgot AE was pulling out of ISP...sad  Sad But then again, it was an oddball route, and the E135, if I remember correctly, has some questionable economics on super-short haul flights like that.

And B6 wont be in ISP any time soon. They have tried to avoid WN as much as possible, and as stated, have an unofficial agreement with them to keep competition to a minimum.

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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:10 pm

AirTran did serve ISP, they should come back. I would really like to see some expasion with the airlines at ISP.


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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:36 pm

Me too but Air Tran isn't it! I still believe you will see B6 at ISP they are growing and becoming very popular and have much more to offer than WN like assigned seating and newer planes with TVs.

Joe,

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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:53 pm

Ahhh, my home airport.

Let me say this: AA dropped ISP-ORD due to WN starting ISP-MDW - AA claimed yields weren't there. I dispute this though, as most of AA's traffic from ISP was connecting through ORD, and thus shouldn't be concerned with O&D revenue. Regardless, AA is gone from ISP, quite a sad day indeed.

To those that say B6 will avoid ISP & WN at all costs... you are wrong (and I am in the know about this) - you will see them at ISP mid-2005 at the latest. For convienence, I will bump this topic to the top when it happens.

Currently, ISP now has service from:

US Airways Express (Piedmont, Colgan) - BOS, ALB, PHL
Southwest Airlines - BWI, FLL, PBI, MCO, TPA, BNA, MDW, LAS
Delta Connection (ASA, Comair) - CVG, ATL
Continental Express/Connection - CLE, ALB

All the best to the AE employees who are no longer at ISP.
 
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:03 pm

"Good Bye American Eagle At ISP"

- I know it's a distance away from Long Island, but doesn't AA/AE still serve HPN? I know AA did when they still had the F100, flights to ORD and HPN is a good alternative to LGA/JFK for outgoing passengers.


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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:29 pm

I just realized that there is a good amount of people here that live near ISP. Anyways, do you really think that about B6 Isp?


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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:04 am

I know it's a distance away from Long Island, but doesn't AA/AE still serve HPN? I know AA did when they still had the F100, flights to ORD and HPN is a good alternative to LGA/JFK for outgoing passengers.

Getting to HPN from anywhere in ISP's cachement area is a long drive that usually involves heavy traffic and frequent delays on the Throg's Neck Bridge.
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:27 am

ISP has over 2 million people who are far enough from LGA or JFK to prefer using this underused airport. The longest runway is equal to any at LGA (7000 ft). What we need at ISP is some competition to Greyhound Air. With AA pulling out, US or DL need to step up to the plate. DL is increasing ATL to 4 in Jan, and I believe they are using CRJ-700's as well. US is up to 4 PHL, but was originally scheduled as 5, and are using DH8-300's. The BOS service add is nice, but not on B-1900's.

For the record, Airtran NEVER served ISP. DL Express did with 732's.

 
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:04 am

AirTran DID serve ISP for a very limited time using the 732. It was when they had I think the livery with the sun on the tail? They flew to MCO.


I wonder if anyone is ever going to expand there.



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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:12 am

"Let me say this: AA dropped ISP-ORD due to WN starting ISP-MDW"

That's totally not true, AA dropped ORD long before WN even knew ISP existed. AA dropped ORD when Carnival became Pan AM II. Pan Am took over AA's jet ramp (gate 16) as well as the other two gates in that concourse. We're talking over five years ago.
 
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:29 am

"What we need at ISP is some competition to Greyhound Air. With AA pulling out, US or DL need to step up to the plate"

As for calling Southwest Greyhound air, there domestic service is equal if not better then AA, DAL, UAL and certainly US. And this is from a biz traveler who use to put 100,000 miles a year on AA/TWA but now racks up 16 Rapid Reward credits a month on WN. This is simply my opinion but I'd rather pay less, get there on-time vs. pay threw the roof, arrive there late, try to upgrade because I was AA elite to only be told sorry can't upgrade you and not be given a reason. I loath the day AA took over TWA, TWA truly followed their 1990's motto "One Mission, Yours". Just a disclaimer most of my AA miles came from my TWA miles.

"For the record, Airtran NEVER served ISP. DL Express did with 732's"

For the record yes Airtran did serve ISP for an extremely short time back in 1996.
 
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:33 pm

I knew that AirTran served ISP. Is there any word on new service....at all?

Do you think if a lot of people wrote to an airline, they would actually take what your trying to get across to them into consideration?

Also, if anyone here has any pictures of ISP that are not on the 3 main picture websites, can you e-mail them to me?


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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:14 pm

Joe! What nights are you free? We are getting a get together at the 56th soon. You better go!

As for B6 I believe they will be at ISP soon, I heard this rumor beginning of the year and I believe it! In fact I broke that rumor here first!

There are a lot of people living near ISP I would always fly ISP instead of JFK or LGA. It is SO much more easier.
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:12 pm

AA serves HPN with two 737-800 flights and I think three or four CRJ-700 Eagle flights a day. A poster replied about traffic getting there. That is so true as you either sit on the Throgs Neck or the Whitestone.

Anyway back to the topic, to echo the sentiments of many here, it is disappointing to see AA pull out.
 
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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:09 pm

Nicholas,
I have to check when I am free. I will get back to you a.s.a.p. And I too believe that B6 will come to ISP.


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RE: Good Bye American Eagle At ISP

Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:53 pm

Good deal Joe, let me know, should be a few of us there and it will be great!

B6 will be at ISP and WN will be nervous!
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