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Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:21 pm

Press Release Source: Aviation Partners Boeing


Alaska Airlines Orders Blended Winglets(TM) From Aviation Partners Boeing
Monday November 1, 3:00 am ET
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041101/sfm026_1.html


SEATTLE, Nov. 1 /PRNewswire/ -- Alaska Airlines today announced it has ordered 25 sets of performance-enhancing winglets from Aviation Partners Boeing.
The advanced-technology "Blended Winglets" will be installed on Alaska's Next Generation B737-800 aircraft scheduled for delivery in 2005 and retrofitted on their Next Generation 737-700 aircraft currently in operation.


The agreement between Alaska and Aviation Partners Boeing includes options to purchase additional sets of winglets for future 737-700 and 737-800 deliveries.

Retrofitting of the airline's Boeing 737-700 fleet will be done by Goodrich Aviation Technical Services in Everett, Wash., as the aircraft complete routine heavy maintenance checks. Winglets on new 737-800 aircraft will be factory installed by Boeing.

Blended Winglets Technology will improve the performance and payload capability of Alaska jets, while providing significant cost savings through greater fuel efficiency. Winglet-equipped aircraft also are more environmentally friendly, offering a 6.5 percent reduction in takeoff noise and significantly reduced engine emissions.

"Blended Winglets enable us to save fuel, reduce noise, deliver better service and reduce costs during a very challenging time for the airline industry," said Alaska Airlines Executive Vice President of Operations George Bagley.

"With fuel prices at record highs, and not much relief in sight, investing in Blended Winglet Technology is a way for airlines to permanently hedge future fuel costs as measurable fuel savings continue through the life of the aircraft," adds Mike Marino, CEO of Aviation Partners Boeing.

Winglets save fuel by reducing drag, which allow aircraft to fly at cruise speed with reduced engine power.

With an average annual aircraft utilization rate of 4,000 hours, winglets are expected to reduce the fuel burn of Alaska's Boeing 737s by 120,000 gallons, or 3.5 percent, per year.

Winglets also will enhance customer service by virtually eliminating the need for the airline to restrict passenger loads on transcontinental flights encountering strong headwinds.

"We're very pleased that a customer in our own backyard has chosen to adopt our Blended Winglet Technology," says Craig McCallum, sales director of Aviation Partners Boeing. "This important sale is yet another testimonial that Blended Winglet Technology works."

Aviation Partners Boeing is a joint venture between Aviation Partners, Inc. and The Boeing Company. To learn more about patented Blended Winglet Technology go to http://www.aviationpartnersboeing.com.

More news and information about Alaska Airlines can be found on the Internet at http://www.newsroom.alaskaair.com .

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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:19 pm

Seems like a lot of airlines that operate 73's are goin with the winglet look...They should look sharp on there planes...Thanks for the heads up...
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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:27 pm

It is amazing what an increase in fuel prices can do to the cost/Benifit analysis.

Two years ago, my impression was that Alaska determined there wasn't enough of a gain in performance to justify the costs.
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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:29 am

I'd say that the decision was made due to fuel costs and the $30 million or so in profits they made last quarter ... need money to spend money to save money

should look good provided they put the eskimo on them and not just white 'n' stripes
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:31 am

Why not the 739's also? Is the 739 not certified yet for winglets?

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:37 am

So does this mean that they solved the gate problems in SEA with winglets? Last I heard, they hadn't ordered winglets because there were spacing constraints in the D concourse at SEA which would have narrowed the gap between the planes too much since they were designed to hold a 734 as their widest plane. Did they do a test and find out that it wasn't a problem, or am I just making this up?
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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:39 am

The 739 is not certified for winglets, no.

It would require structural enhancements to the wing is the understanding I have.

A 739X would have the sufficient structure.

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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:40 am

Why not the 739's also? Is the 739 not certified yet for winglets?

Since nobody operates the 739 with winglets, I don't believe it can be certified. No test airframe to use...
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:07 am

the 737-600/700/800/900 have all been certified to use the winglets as they have the same wing ...

however ...

Alaska uses their 739s mostly on high-density routes out of KSEA so the savings wouldn't be as significant as the 737-700s and soon 737-800s which do the trans-con routes ...

Since they have 22 73Gs and 2 738s on order ... maybe they will use the 25th on a 739?
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:29 am

Alaska uses their 739s mostly on high-density routes out of KSEA so the savings wouldn't be as significant as the 737-700s and soon 737-800s which do the trans-con routes .

Don't forget that AS uses a few of their 739s on a route that is BOTH high-density and a trans-con, SEA-MCO. I'm not sure, do they also use the 739 on SEA-MIA?

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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:33 am

Thanks for the responses on the 739. You would think AS would be interested in wingletted 739's as they do operate the 739 on transcons with some restrictions.

Given the small customer base for the 739, there is no demand yet. Perhaps also Boeing is reluctant to encourage wing lets on the standard 739 lest it jeopardize potential 739X orders.
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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:49 am

as I said ... mostly ... I do know that they want the 737-890s for SEA-MIA et al ... however maybe the 25th winglet-set is going to go to a 990?

As for the 739 I think MCO is as far as it can go ... when I have flown to MIA or BOS or EWR it has always been a 737-790 ... you can always count on them on the SEA-LAS route (along with all the other types in the fleet (with the exception of the -290s)
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:21 pm

Gigneil, thanks for thinking of me! Sorry I'm so late to reply, long weekend.

Well I spoke with Bagley 3 weeks ago and he said it was close. I wasn't expecting it this quickly though. It seems a sweet deal may have been placed on the table. He told me that he was expecting the 73G's to get them mid '05, so actually that was close. I also think this was done cause corp. does not expect fuel prices to come down any time soon. Funny thing was that in our company news paper, when we signed the codeshare deal with Delta, there were some models in the forground and one was a -700 w/ winglets. I along w/ a few people caught that!

In regards to the -900 guys, don't look for winglets. They are not certified for them and AS has no reason to put them on. We are bring the -800 into the fleet for transcon. The -900 will be moved to high density and leisure routes. SEA-LAS/LAX/SFO, and LAX/SFO- to Mexico. Even the seasonal -900 SEA to Mexico. Gordon, actually till yesterday the -900 was used on every transcon except DCA-SEA. And when we started DCA on Oct. of 2001 it was a -900. So we have flown the 900 everywhere.


Well exciting news and let you know when the first ones go on!

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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:38 pm

but the question on everyone's mind is if it will be the smiling Eskimo on the winglets or just blue and green stripes? Maybe a smiling face on the inside part would be cool... just a thought.

So this will make AS, CO, TZ, and WN with NG's with winglets. AA or DL looking at them yet?
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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:36 pm

What routes will the 738's fly if anybody knows??

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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:39 pm

AA and especially DL cannot afford them, but AA especially could use them, as they fly the 738 cross country all the time
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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:51 pm

really ... I was unaware that the 739 ever showed up in Boston et al ... guess I have never been lucky enough to fly them trans-con ... so I stand corrected
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Tue Nov 02, 2004 10:35 pm

AAPlatinumflier,

They will be used on transcon flights, such as SEA-MCO, SEA-MIA, SEA-IAD/DCA, if I remember correctly.

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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:30 am

Hey AS739X - I was pointing that photo out around up here as well...Heard the order was coming but didn't think so soon either...

Here is the image in question, I can only hope that a mini-Chester appears on the outside of the winglet as shown...


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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:00 am

BTW, aprox. how much is the cost for each set of winglets ?
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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:10 am

the 737-600/700/800/900 have all been certified to use the winglets as they have the same wing ...

FWIW, the -900 still isn't certified for winglets by the FAA.
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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:11 am

You can see the Eskimo on both sides of the winglets in that picture..
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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:16 am

Cactus739....accoring to the pic they will have the eskimo. BUt I think when they come out is when we know for sure. I think they will.

Gordon.....both BOS flights all summer were -900's. I saw flight #12 today flying there, it was still a -900.

Thanks rydawg....thats the pic!

AAPlatt....the first routes will be SEA-MCO/MIA. Look for them to also shoot around the system for views. I would also see them fly them almost all east coast, and the SEA to Mexicos during the winter when the loads to the east coast drop to -700 level.

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Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:19 am


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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:40 am

Not sure why I'm so interested in what will be on the winglets....

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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:53 am

How about Airtran. Will the high cost of fuel make them rethink their decision to not have the winglets installed?
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:15 am

It's a toss-up as to what will adorn the winglets. In this image from alaskaair.com's fleet section, it's stripes:




But in this more recent photo of EVP Marketing and Planning Gregg Saretsky announcing the DL codeshare, it's a small Eskimo:

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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:07 pm

It's still up in the air as to what we will see on the winglets, most agree a mini-Chester as shown in the Delta image would be ideal. However this image posted today is crushing my hopes:



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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:43 am

As739x ... you work for Alaska? if so Y'all are doing an excellent job. Been my favorite airline now going on 6 years.

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RE: Alaska Airlines Orders Winglets!

Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:03 pm

Does anyone have an estimate on the price of these things. From what I can gather from the Aviation Partners site they sound like the require a decent amount of wing strengthing and modification. How long will it take for Alaska to make back the cost. I assume these kits must cost into the millions for it to have been such a hard decision for Alaska.

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