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IslandHopperCO
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DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:04 am

Looks like the long-lived DC8 finally has one foot in the grave. According to the Mohave newsgroup, DC8-73 N832AL is on its belly being scrapped. Here's a pic earlier in the scrapping procedure.


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If I recall, the -70 series DC8s were refitted mostly in the mid- to late-80s shouldn't they still have life left in them? Why are these being scrapped? Have they finally met their frame limits, or is it simply that the availability of 757/767s for cargo jets has eliminated their market?
 
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:12 am

I think you answered your own question.

Even with the durability of the original Douglas airframes and the efficiency offered by the newer CFM-56s and related systems, the airframe is still 35-40 years old, you still have 4 engines, and 3 flight crew to feed.

There comes a certain point when the cost to care and feed for an older plane is more expensive than what it costs to acquire, care, and feed a newer plane.
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:13 am

The youngest DC-8 has passed its 30th birthday and its flight-hours reflect that, no matter if re-engined or not.
That says it all.
 
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:43 am

It all comes down to when maintaining it costs more than it's worth to operate.

My partners and I are meeting this week to discuss retiring (scrapping) our jointly owned C-172 because the expense of fixing all the items needed to keep it airworthy exceed the value of the aircraft with no guarantees that we won't have a similar bill next year.

I imagine Emery had a similar issue with the DC-8's, which are of the same vintage as my plane.
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:27 pm

With so many DC8-70s parked and soon to be scrapped, are we going to see the last DC8 flight soon?

Are there any non-70 series DC8s still flying?
 
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:15 pm

Yes there are several DC-8-62's and -63's flying today, probably some -61's and some -50's series.

 
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:28 pm

I think it'll be awhile before the last DC-8 is scrapped. Something like 200 are potentially airworthy, many in service. The only DC-8-70s that I know of as being scrapped are of Emery, an airline which no longer flies.
 
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:29 pm

Non 70 series DC-8s can be found at places like MIA and YIP.

Fine Air of Miami has a lot of classic DC-8s.

YIP used to be crawling a lot with them between Kalitta, Zantop and Transcontinental and the ATI ones here and there, but I think they are all gone now, not sure if Kalitta still has them up there. Kalitta had 50 and 60 series DC-8s.

However Murray Air at YIP has a couple of all white DC-8-61s.

Isn't ABX still flying DC-8-63s or did the 767s replace them all?
 
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:30 pm

There were a bunch of 70/71's in IGM when I was there in May. Well, they are 30 some years old........
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:55 pm

Murray Air has DC-8-63's and ABX AIR is still flying their DC-8's.
 
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:00 pm

Fine Air doesn't exist anymore. It is now known as Arrow Air (again). I still think that the DC-8-73F, has it all over the 767-200F. There's two less engines and one mouth to feed, but the payload figures are still in the -73s favor.
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:01 pm

It will be a sad day when they are all gone. The DC-8 was a great aircraft. Yes DHL has a few of them left operating out of Willmington & Cincinnati.  Sad
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:23 pm

Doesn't UPS have a bunch of Delta's old DC-8-70's? They fly two into CLT everyday. It is nice to see them still flying in here but I would imagine the flights will soon be upgraded to 757's or 767's. FedEx already has the volume to warrant two daily A300-600 flights.
 
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:37 am

It will be sad not to see DC-8s around any more. I personally find the re-engined
ones extremely good looking!

A somehow related question: did any DC-8s get a glass cockpit to allow them to be
flown by a two-person crew?

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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:16 am

I have fond memories of the DC-8 out of YIP. I used to go to school with Ronnie Zantop, and the pilots used to come in low over their bosses house. I also used to kickbox with kalitta's son and granddaughter... My early years were full of DC-8s, L-1011s, Convairs, Electras... Too bad it was spent in Canton though.
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:26 am

I think this is about as much glass as you will find.


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CLT18R
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:47 am

Does the glass conversion make them two person (with the seat still there but empty...or maybe they take the seat out all together?
 
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:32 am

HlywdCatft,

Noted a Murray DC8-63F this past weekend at IAH now with at least tail logos applied, if not full titles! The front half of the plane was blocked from the view I had...

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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:42 am

The -50 series are no longer seen at Miami. Around 2000-2001 Fine Air retired them only to bring some back about a year later to yet again retire them for good shortly after.

Haven't seen any UPS DC-8s in years, the only types they used to fly to MCO. Where can they be seen nowadays?

In case anyone is interested, airlines at Miami operating DC-8s:

Airborne Express
Tampa
DHL
ATI
Arrow

Only a few years ago, DC-8s of the following airlines could also be seen at Miami regularly:

Absa
Trans Continental
Fine Air
Florida West
American Intl Airways (Kalitta)
Mas Air
Lan Chile
Fast Air
Arca*
Rich International*
Andes*
Haiti Trans Air*

*Stored. Airline had ceased operations.
 
Vikingair
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:32 am

The DC-8's at ABX Air that got the "glass cockpit" upgrade still maintain the F/E position.
 
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:40 am

Up until this year I had never seen a DC 8. Within a month two had come to Adelaide. Our airport over here is very quiet.

First one was from Murray Air. The second one was from African International


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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:09 am

The one Murray Air DC-8 has very small titles next to the tail logo.
 
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:13 am

When did production of the DC-8 end?
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:21 am

When I left Abx in the late 80s, the 8,s were glass then.. They somehow always manage to get a few screwball aircraft there to haul cargo. There was i believe a saudi air dc-8 there for the longest that was w/o it was in sad shape think they traded it off Then there was im guessing an old national 8 that when we would do ground training we would go up and practice ramp fires...Some of the 9,s they got good deals on were real good deals, there was more rust than a 58 dodge, the wheel wells were ate up.... and those loveley caravelles..
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:07 pm

I saw a BAX Cargo DC-8 when I flew into TOL 2 days ago.
 
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:01 pm

I have this feeling that UPS will start a fairly rapid phaseout of their DC-8 Super Seventy series cargo fleet over the next few years. Yes, the planes can meet today's very strict noise and exhaust emission regulations but the sheer age of the airframe will mitigate against their continued operation. That's why we may see UPS switch much of their US domestic air cargo flights to A300B4-600 cargo versions.
 
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:34 pm

UPS has extended the period that they plan on flying DC-8's.
This past year they did dispose of 2 DC-8-71's. One airplane had a nose gear collapse at the gate which resulted in considerable damage to the area under the cockpit. It was bandaided, ferried into storage, and then sold.
The other airplane would have required the upper and lower forward inboard wing spar caps be modified due to an AD and an impending AD. It would have resulted in a very expensive modification, so the plane was retired and sold.
They still have 47 DC-8's, 21 DC-8-71's and 26 DC-8-73's.
An easy way to tell the difference between the two is to look at the nose cowls. If there are strakes on the nose cowl; it is a -73, no strakes, it is a -71. -72's aso have strakes, but UPS doesn't have any of these.
The last DC-8 was produced in 1972.
 
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:25 am

Miamix707 Wrote:

"Haven't seen any UPS DC-8s in years, the only types they used to fly to MCO. Where can they be seen nowadays?"

They fly two a day into CLT. At least one can always be seen sitting out at the cargo terminal (over by the old passenger terminal.) You can actually walk right up to the fence and get within about 70 feet of the aircraft. Very impressive spotting position right off of runway 18L/36R.
 
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RE: DC8-70s Are Being Scrapped Already...why?

Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:39 am

The DC-8 was a great aircraft. Yes DHL has a few of them left operating out of Willmington & Cincinnati.

DHL/ABX still run a DC-8 into SAT almost every night, or at least they still were as of a couple weeks ago when I saw one sitting on the ramp.
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