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United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 2:36 am

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/business/article/0,1299,DRMN_4_3331759,00.html

Among the United flights being cut at DIA, starting in April 2005:

• Chicago, three flights
• Boston, two flights
• San Francisco, two flights
• Seattle, two flights
• Los Angeles, two flights
• Philadelphia, one flight
• Portland, Ore., one flight
• San Jose, Calif., one flight
• Nashville, Tenn., one flight
• Burbank, Calif., one flight
• Bozeman, Mont., one flight
• Gunnison, one flight

 
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 2:53 am

Maybe they will put some 320's or 752's on the PHL route. They pretty much fly all 735's and 319's. Seems pretty weak with F9 on the route.
 
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:51 am

The cuts to the hubs may indicate that UA will be using more widebodies on the LAX, SFO, and ORD routes. ORD-DEN is generally pretty full in my experience.
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:14 am

DEN-IND used to see 757 service. I just looked up what the proposed April schedule will look like: 1 CRJ and 1 737. Not too impressive.
 
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:48 am

UA schedule from DEN, schedule used here is April 6, 2005:

ABQ: 2x 733, 2x 735, 3x CRJ (2x Mesa, 1x Skywest)
ANC: 1x 320
ASE: 6x 146 (AWAC)
ATL: 2x 319, 1x CR7 (Mesa)
AUS: 2x 733, 1x CR7 (Mesa), 1x CRJ (Skywest)
BHM: 2x CR7 (Skywest)
BIL: 1x 733, 1x 735, 1x CRJ (Skywest)
BIS: 3x CRJ (Skywest)
BNA: 3x CR7 (Mesa), 1x CRJ (Mesa)
BOI: 1x 733, 2x 735, 2x CRJ (Skywest)
BOS: 3x 752, 2x 320, 1x 319
BUR: 1x 733, 1x CR7 (Skywest), 2x CRJ (Skywest)
BWI: 1x 752, 2x 320, 1x 319
BZN: 2x CR7 (Skywest), 2x CRJ (Skywest)
CID: 2x CR7 (Mesa), 1x CRJ (Skywest)
CLE: 2x 733
CLT: 3x 733
CMH: 1x 733, 1x 735
COD: 1x DH2 (Mesa)
COS: 1x 733, 2x 735, 7x CRJ (4x AWAC, 3x Skywest), 1x DH2 (Mesa)
CPR: 5x EM2 (Skywest)
CUN: 1x 320
DCA: 1x 752
DFW: 4x 733, 2x 735
DRO: 7x DH2 (Mesa)
DSM: 3x 733, 1x CRJ (Skywest)
DTW: 2x 733
EGE: 3x DH2 (Mesa)
ELP: 3x CRJ (Mesa)
EUG: 3x CRJ (Skywest)
EWR: 2x 320, 1x 319
FAR: 3x CRJ (Skywest)
FAT: 1x CR7 (Skywest), 2x CRJ (Skywest)
FLL: 1x 32S (Ted)
FSD: 5x CRJ (Skywest)
GEG: 3x 735
GJT: 4x EM2 (Skywest), 3x DH2 (Mesa)
GUC: 3x DH2 (Mesa)
HDN: 1x 733, 2x DH2 (Mesa)
HNL: 1x 763
IAD: 2x 777, 1x 752, 2x 320, 2x 733
IAH: 5x 735
ICT: 1x 735, 2x CR7 (Skywest), 2x CRJ (Skywest)
IND: 1x 735, 1x CR7 (Skywest)
JAC: 2x DH2 (Mesa)
LAS: 8x 32S (Ted)
LAX: 5x 752, 1x 320, 3x 735
LGA: 2x 752, 1x 320, 2x 319
LNK: 4x CRJ (3x Skywest, 1x AWAC)
MCI: 2x 320, 2x 733, 1x 735, 2x CRJ (Mesa)
MCO: 4x 32S (Ted)
MEM: 2x CRJ (Skywest)
MFR: 1x CRJ (Skywest)
MIA: 1x 733, 1x 735
MKE: 3x CRJ (AWAC)
MLI: 1x CRJ (Skywest)
MSN: 1x 146 (AWAC), 1x CRJ (AWAC)
MSO: 3x CRJ (Skywest)
MSP: 3x 733, 3x 735
MSY: 3x 32S (Ted)
MTJ: 5x EM2 (Skywest)
OAK: 2x 320, 1x 733, 2x 735
OKC: 4x 735, 1x CR7 (Skywest)
OMA: 4x 733, 1x 735
ONT: 4x 32S (Ted)
ORD: 3x 777, 4x 752, 1x 320, 1x 319, 1x 733, 2x 735
PDX: 1x 752, 4x 320
PHL: 1x 319, 3x 733
PHX: 7x 32S (Ted)
PIT: 2x 733
PSC: 3x CRJ (Skywest)
PSP: 2x CRJ (Skywest)
PVR: 1x 32S (Ted)
RAP: 1x CRJ (Skywest), 4x DH2 (Mesa), 3x EM2 (Skywest)
RNO: 3x 32S (Ted)
SAN: 3x 320, 2x 733
SAT: 3x 733, 2x CRJ (Skywest)
SBA: 3x CRJ (Mesa)
SEA: 4x 752, 2x 733
SFO: 2x 777, 1x 763, 3x 752, 1x 320, 1x 735
SGF: 3x CRJ (2x Skywest, 1x AWAC)
SJC: 1x 319, 4x 733
SLC: 2x 733, 2x 735, 1x CR7 (Skywest), 1x CRJ (Skywest)
SMF: 3x 320, 2x 733
SNA: 4x 752, 1x 320
STL: 2x 733, 2x 735, 1x CR7 (Mesa), 1x CRJ (Skywest)
TPA: 3x 32S (Ted)
TUL: 1x 735, 1x CR7 (Skywest), 2x CRJ (Skywest)
TUS: 1x 735, 1x CR7 (Mesa), 3x CRJ (2x Skywest, 1x Mesa)
XNA: 1x CRJ (Skywest)
YEG: 2x CR7 (Skywest)
YVR: 1x 733, 1x 735
YWG: 2x CRJ (Skywest)
YYC: 1x 319, 1x 733, 1x CRJ (Skywest)
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:00 am

Told ya DEN would be hit the most.
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:09 am

could we see a possible F9 expansion due to this?
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:21 am

ERJ170:

"could we see a possible F9 expansion due to this?"

I very much hope not - at least, not in those markets. Between the two airlines - UAL and F9 - they have reduced capacity at DEN, so both stand a chance to improve yields.

I'm sure there will be some F9 expansion, but hopefully to other places.

I guess DEN/RDU now has to go on F9's possible expansion list, but UAL says they are dropping it because of poor passenger response, so even that is question mark.

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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:26 am

poor passenger response? interesting.. I thought UAL stated that the RDU flights were doing well yeild and load wise.. I thought it was equipment that was causing the problems..
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:33 am

Is United Express no longer operating the DEN-AMA route?
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:34 am

ERJ170:

What the artice says is that UAL was "disappointed with passenger demand" (DEN/RDU).

I guess that may be open to interpretation.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:38 am

I'm just surprised by the amount of flights to LAX/SFO/ORD .... Wow!
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:07 am

BTW, for those who are saying that UA is "trimming" DEN flights, keep in mind that they currently operate 370 flights (per today's schedule), vs. 376 with the April schedule. As far as I can tell, DEN is actually GAINING UA flights.
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:15 am

Perhaps it is a decrease as opposed to last year's spring schedule. Does UA usually offer seasonal flight additions from DEN? (besides the obvious ANC flight of course)
 
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:17 am

Out of 376 flights only 10 are widebodies. That is not how it used to be.
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:20 am

MSYTristar:

There's been some debate about this. The Rocky Mountain News used a comparison between the UA DEN schedule of April '04 and the schedule for April 05 (although some of the chnages take effect in January).

There are changes - later. I am told that UA is adding at least 1 x DEN/BOS flight in May, for the summer.

But that still doesn't affect the April to April comparison.

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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:21 am

And yall say Ted is doing a good job.
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:25 am

I'm just glad I got the chance to take a 744 from SFO to DEN in January '04. About three days after I took the flight all the 744's to/from DEN were replaced with 777's. I don't think the 47's have returned since.
 
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:39 am

SHUPirate1 - I believe it is mainline that will see the "trimming." Express will pick up some of the slack, and that is why the overall total does not drop. This was not unexpected. Since United announced it would cut domestic flying and add international flying, analysts agreed that Denver would be the place where the cuts would take place.

BigB - No Ted markets are being cut, so your comment makes no sense.
 
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:42 am

ANC is not seasonal service. It runs all year round.

If fact, I can't think of any seasonal service from Denver. Even Cancun service is year round.

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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:48 am

The DEN flights didn't cancel because they were empty...the are going away because Mesa didn't have a very good record and that the CRJ-700 can't deal with the headwinds. There is ALWAYS a weight restriction! I'm wondering if the EMB-170 can deal with it and take the bags?
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:02 am

ATWzW170,

I believe that the next flight to DEN we will see will be F9 and not UAL. They are decreasing their domesticate a lot. Perhaps they will use more codeshare with US. But the next DEN-RDU you will see will be on F9. I'm pretty sure of that. And probably the A319. But will F9 do DEN, CUN, LAX much like BNA (except the LAX) or just DEN. That is the question.
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:27 am

Anyone else notice that Air Wisconsin doesn't appear in that Apr. 2005 schedule? Seems as though UA has already written them off... Sad
 
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:31 am

Doesn't Air Wisconsin do IAD/ORD mainly?
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:33 am

They do quite a bit of DEN flying, more so than IAD I think.
 
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:52 am

I remember back in the olden days (1996) when I flew a United DC10 from PHX to DEN, which continued to ORD. As we pulled into the gate, we parked next to another DC10 which was going to........OMA!
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:59 am

FriendlySkies-I'm going to give you a pass on this, as it is fairly obvious you had a brain fart, and must have momentarily forgotten that AWAC stands for Air Wisconsin Airline Corporation. They will have 17 flights from Denver in this timetable, namely 6 146's to ASE, 4 CRJ's to COS, 1 CRJ to LNK, 3 CRJ's to MKE, a 146 and a CRJ to MSN, and a CRJ to SGF.
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:02 am

AWAC doesn't do much flying in DEN any longer....and I didn't see them being gone in the schedules as of yet. AWAC is the largest carrier out of IAD for Express right now. At one point AWAC was at only 13 flights out of DEN. I think right now they are up to like 30 for the ski season...but will drop back down in March or April.
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:05 am

And just FYI, I see AWAC flights in April out of Den....DEN-MSN, DEN-MKE are just a few of the routes I looked at.
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:10 am

SSides-
Great Lakes operates the DEN-AMA routes now. They code share with UA but UAX has not operated that route since UAX/Air Wisconsin pulled out of there in April 2001.
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:49 am

no widebodies to LAX? Wow that is really surprising.
 
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:56 pm

I guess we won't be seeing DEN-BDL returning anytime soon.

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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:14 am

SHUPirate1: Maybe I should put my glasses on next time lol.  Big grin

But you'll agree that AWAC has seen significant cuts in their DEN routes. DEN used to be huge for them.
 
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:32 am

PVR, ZIH and SJD are seasonal until 4/30.

The red-eyes to BOS and IAD have been seasonal.
 
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Fri Nov 19, 2004 2:10 am

UA mainline doesn't have 376 flights out of DEN. Where did this number come from? UA doesn't even have that many flights at ORD.

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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Fri Nov 19, 2004 2:32 am

AWAC saw the reduction of flying from DEN because UA moved our assests to ORD and IAD...someone had to fill in for ACA, that was a big pocket...DEN was a big hub for us, and as all things do, that changed...now ORD and IAD are big hubs for us. We at least fly from 3 of the 5 hubs UA currently operates.
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Fri Nov 19, 2004 2:38 am

I wish they would bring back DEN-BDL and SFO-BDL. Who knows if that will ever happen.

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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Fri Nov 19, 2004 3:35 am

hmmm.... interesting.. first massive blowouts with 2 partner carriers, now dumping flts at DEN. Seems like US v.2.0. Next itll be the de-hubbing od DEN as F9 walks all over them. Kinda sad when a supposed 'international airline' cant even stand up for itself at an interior domestic hub. Oh well, i suppose they can go scream anti-competitive practices by F9.. its the pot calling the kettle black. Lead follow or get out of the way !
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Fri Nov 19, 2004 3:54 am

SESGDL-Sorry for the confusion. UA and UAX together will operate 376 daily flights with the April schedule.
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:11 am

"Kinda sad when a supposed 'international airline' cant even stand up for itself at an interior domestic hub."

There is simply too much capacity and too many low fares for the number of passengers flying. By reducing capacity in certain markets fares should rise a bit. It's supply and demand.

By the way, I'd love to see how Northwest would "stand up for itself" should a LCC set up a major operation at MSP, DTW or MEM.
 
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:57 am

By the way, I'd love to see how Northwest would "stand up for itself" should a LCC set up a major operation at MSP, DTW or MEM.

...they'd crush them, just like they've done time and time again with low-fare carriers on their competing routes. Then I guess we could see nwfltattendant gloat about how glorious NW is, but never bring up the anti-competitive practices which NW has basically built a reputation on...

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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:07 am

I noticed that DRO lost the skywest Embraer 120 service. Is that due to lack of demand? Can't be it seems like, because the flights are always full.
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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:12 am

DLKAPA:

It just depends on the date. . .they still have it:

Wed 22-Dec-04

Denver (DEN)
Depart 6:55 pm to Durango (DRO)
Arrive 8:17 pm 250 mile(s)
(402 km)
Duration: 1hr 22mn

Flight: 6280
Operated by: /UNITED EXPRESS/SKYWEST

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RE: United Trimming DEN Flights

Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:15 am

Yeah it's still on now I probably should have rephrased the question or worded it differently:

Why is Durango losing the EMB-120 service according to the April '05 schedule?
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