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http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/business/article/0,1299,DRMN_4_3331759,00.html

Among the United flights being cut at DIA, starting in April 2005:

• Chicago, three flights

• Boston, two flights

• San Francisco, two flights

• Seattle, two flights

• Los Angeles, two flights

• Philadelphia, one flight

• Portland, Ore., one flight

• San Jose, Calif., one flight

• Nashville, Tenn., one flight

• Burbank, Calif., one flight

• Bozeman, Mont., one flight

• Gunnison, one flight

Among the United flights being cut at DIA, starting in April 2005:

• Chicago, three flights

• Boston, two flights

• San Francisco, two flights

• Seattle, two flights

• Los Angeles, two flights

• Philadelphia, one flight

• Portland, Ore., one flight

• San Jose, Calif., one flight

• Nashville, Tenn., one flight

• Burbank, Calif., one flight

• Bozeman, Mont., one flight

• Gunnison, one flight

- usairways85
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Maybe they will put some 320's or 752's on the PHL route. They pretty much fly all 735's and 319's. Seems pretty weak with F9 on the route.

The cuts to the hubs may indicate that UA will be using more widebodies on the LAX, SFO, and ORD routes. ORD-DEN is generally pretty full in my experience.

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- MSYtristar
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DEN-IND used to see 757 service. I just looked up what the proposed April schedule will look like: 1 CRJ and 1 737. Not too impressive.

- SHUPirate1
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UA schedule from DEN, schedule used here is April 6, 2005:

ABQ: 2x 733, 2x 735, 3x CRJ (2x Mesa, 1x Skywest)

ANC: 1x 320

ASE: 6x 146 (AWAC)

ATL: 2x 319, 1x CR7 (Mesa)

AUS: 2x 733, 1x CR7 (Mesa), 1x CRJ (Skywest)

BHM: 2x CR7 (Skywest)

BIL: 1x 733, 1x 735, 1x CRJ (Skywest)

BIS: 3x CRJ (Skywest)

BNA: 3x CR7 (Mesa), 1x CRJ (Mesa)

BOI: 1x 733, 2x 735, 2x CRJ (Skywest)

BOS: 3x 752, 2x 320, 1x 319

BUR: 1x 733, 1x CR7 (Skywest), 2x CRJ (Skywest)

BWI: 1x 752, 2x 320, 1x 319

BZN: 2x CR7 (Skywest), 2x CRJ (Skywest)

CID: 2x CR7 (Mesa), 1x CRJ (Skywest)

CLE: 2x 733

CLT: 3x 733

CMH: 1x 733, 1x 735

COD: 1x DH2 (Mesa)

COS: 1x 733, 2x 735, 7x CRJ (4x AWAC, 3x Skywest), 1x DH2 (Mesa)

CPR: 5x EM2 (Skywest)

CUN: 1x 320

DCA: 1x 752

DFW: 4x 733, 2x 735

DRO: 7x DH2 (Mesa)

DSM: 3x 733, 1x CRJ (Skywest)

DTW: 2x 733

EGE: 3x DH2 (Mesa)

ELP: 3x CRJ (Mesa)

EUG: 3x CRJ (Skywest)

EWR: 2x 320, 1x 319

FAR: 3x CRJ (Skywest)

FAT: 1x CR7 (Skywest), 2x CRJ (Skywest)

FLL: 1x 32S (Ted)

FSD: 5x CRJ (Skywest)

GEG: 3x 735

GJT: 4x EM2 (Skywest), 3x DH2 (Mesa)

GUC: 3x DH2 (Mesa)

HDN: 1x 733, 2x DH2 (Mesa)

HNL: 1x 763

IAD: 2x 777, 1x 752, 2x 320, 2x 733

IAH: 5x 735

ICT: 1x 735, 2x CR7 (Skywest), 2x CRJ (Skywest)

IND: 1x 735, 1x CR7 (Skywest)

JAC: 2x DH2 (Mesa)

LAS: 8x 32S (Ted)

LAX: 5x 752, 1x 320, 3x 735

LGA: 2x 752, 1x 320, 2x 319

LNK: 4x CRJ (3x Skywest, 1x AWAC)

MCI: 2x 320, 2x 733, 1x 735, 2x CRJ (Mesa)

MCO: 4x 32S (Ted)

MEM: 2x CRJ (Skywest)

MFR: 1x CRJ (Skywest)

MIA: 1x 733, 1x 735

MKE: 3x CRJ (AWAC)

MLI: 1x CRJ (Skywest)

MSN: 1x 146 (AWAC), 1x CRJ (AWAC)

MSO: 3x CRJ (Skywest)

MSP: 3x 733, 3x 735

MSY: 3x 32S (Ted)

MTJ: 5x EM2 (Skywest)

OAK: 2x 320, 1x 733, 2x 735

OKC: 4x 735, 1x CR7 (Skywest)

OMA: 4x 733, 1x 735

ONT: 4x 32S (Ted)

ORD: 3x 777, 4x 752, 1x 320, 1x 319, 1x 733, 2x 735

PDX: 1x 752, 4x 320

PHL: 1x 319, 3x 733

PHX: 7x 32S (Ted)

PIT: 2x 733

PSC: 3x CRJ (Skywest)

PSP: 2x CRJ (Skywest)

PVR: 1x 32S (Ted)

RAP: 1x CRJ (Skywest), 4x DH2 (Mesa), 3x EM2 (Skywest)

RNO: 3x 32S (Ted)

SAN: 3x 320, 2x 733

SAT: 3x 733, 2x CRJ (Skywest)

SBA: 3x CRJ (Mesa)

SEA: 4x 752, 2x 733

SFO: 2x 777, 1x 763, 3x 752, 1x 320, 1x 735

SGF: 3x CRJ (2x Skywest, 1x AWAC)

SJC: 1x 319, 4x 733

SLC: 2x 733, 2x 735, 1x CR7 (Skywest), 1x CRJ (Skywest)

SMF: 3x 320, 2x 733

SNA: 4x 752, 1x 320

STL: 2x 733, 2x 735, 1x CR7 (Mesa), 1x CRJ (Skywest)

TPA: 3x 32S (Ted)

TUL: 1x 735, 1x CR7 (Skywest), 2x CRJ (Skywest)

TUS: 1x 735, 1x CR7 (Mesa), 3x CRJ (2x Skywest, 1x Mesa)

XNA: 1x CRJ (Skywest)

YEG: 2x CR7 (Skywest)

YVR: 1x 733, 1x 735

YWG: 2x CRJ (Skywest)

YYC: 1x 319, 1x 733, 1x CRJ (Skywest)

ABQ: 2x 733, 2x 735, 3x CRJ (2x Mesa, 1x Skywest)

ANC: 1x 320

ASE: 6x 146 (AWAC)

ATL: 2x 319, 1x CR7 (Mesa)

AUS: 2x 733, 1x CR7 (Mesa), 1x CRJ (Skywest)

BHM: 2x CR7 (Skywest)

BIL: 1x 733, 1x 735, 1x CRJ (Skywest)

BIS: 3x CRJ (Skywest)

BNA: 3x CR7 (Mesa), 1x CRJ (Mesa)

BOI: 1x 733, 2x 735, 2x CRJ (Skywest)

BOS: 3x 752, 2x 320, 1x 319

BUR: 1x 733, 1x CR7 (Skywest), 2x CRJ (Skywest)

BWI: 1x 752, 2x 320, 1x 319

BZN: 2x CR7 (Skywest), 2x CRJ (Skywest)

CID: 2x CR7 (Mesa), 1x CRJ (Skywest)

CLE: 2x 733

CLT: 3x 733

CMH: 1x 733, 1x 735

COD: 1x DH2 (Mesa)

COS: 1x 733, 2x 735, 7x CRJ (4x AWAC, 3x Skywest), 1x DH2 (Mesa)

CPR: 5x EM2 (Skywest)

CUN: 1x 320

DCA: 1x 752

DFW: 4x 733, 2x 735

DRO: 7x DH2 (Mesa)

DSM: 3x 733, 1x CRJ (Skywest)

DTW: 2x 733

EGE: 3x DH2 (Mesa)

ELP: 3x CRJ (Mesa)

EUG: 3x CRJ (Skywest)

EWR: 2x 320, 1x 319

FAR: 3x CRJ (Skywest)

FAT: 1x CR7 (Skywest), 2x CRJ (Skywest)

FLL: 1x 32S (Ted)

FSD: 5x CRJ (Skywest)

GEG: 3x 735

GJT: 4x EM2 (Skywest), 3x DH2 (Mesa)

GUC: 3x DH2 (Mesa)

HDN: 1x 733, 2x DH2 (Mesa)

HNL: 1x 763

IAD: 2x 777, 1x 752, 2x 320, 2x 733

IAH: 5x 735

ICT: 1x 735, 2x CR7 (Skywest), 2x CRJ (Skywest)

IND: 1x 735, 1x CR7 (Skywest)

JAC: 2x DH2 (Mesa)

LAS: 8x 32S (Ted)

LAX: 5x 752, 1x 320, 3x 735

LGA: 2x 752, 1x 320, 2x 319

LNK: 4x CRJ (3x Skywest, 1x AWAC)

MCI: 2x 320, 2x 733, 1x 735, 2x CRJ (Mesa)

MCO: 4x 32S (Ted)

MEM: 2x CRJ (Skywest)

MFR: 1x CRJ (Skywest)

MIA: 1x 733, 1x 735

MKE: 3x CRJ (AWAC)

MLI: 1x CRJ (Skywest)

MSN: 1x 146 (AWAC), 1x CRJ (AWAC)

MSO: 3x CRJ (Skywest)

MSP: 3x 733, 3x 735

MSY: 3x 32S (Ted)

MTJ: 5x EM2 (Skywest)

OAK: 2x 320, 1x 733, 2x 735

OKC: 4x 735, 1x CR7 (Skywest)

OMA: 4x 733, 1x 735

ONT: 4x 32S (Ted)

ORD: 3x 777, 4x 752, 1x 320, 1x 319, 1x 733, 2x 735

PDX: 1x 752, 4x 320

PHL: 1x 319, 3x 733

PHX: 7x 32S (Ted)

PIT: 2x 733

PSC: 3x CRJ (Skywest)

PSP: 2x CRJ (Skywest)

PVR: 1x 32S (Ted)

RAP: 1x CRJ (Skywest), 4x DH2 (Mesa), 3x EM2 (Skywest)

RNO: 3x 32S (Ted)

SAN: 3x 320, 2x 733

SAT: 3x 733, 2x CRJ (Skywest)

SBA: 3x CRJ (Mesa)

SEA: 4x 752, 2x 733

SFO: 2x 777, 1x 763, 3x 752, 1x 320, 1x 735

SGF: 3x CRJ (2x Skywest, 1x AWAC)

SJC: 1x 319, 4x 733

SLC: 2x 733, 2x 735, 1x CR7 (Skywest), 1x CRJ (Skywest)

SMF: 3x 320, 2x 733

SNA: 4x 752, 1x 320

STL: 2x 733, 2x 735, 1x CR7 (Mesa), 1x CRJ (Skywest)

TPA: 3x 32S (Ted)

TUL: 1x 735, 1x CR7 (Skywest), 2x CRJ (Skywest)

TUS: 1x 735, 1x CR7 (Mesa), 3x CRJ (2x Skywest, 1x Mesa)

XNA: 1x CRJ (Skywest)

YEG: 2x CR7 (Skywest)

YVR: 1x 733, 1x 735

YWG: 2x CRJ (Skywest)

YYC: 1x 319, 1x 733, 1x CRJ (Skywest)

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- UA744Flagship
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could we see a possible F9 expansion due to this?

Aiming High and going far..

ERJ170:

"could we see a possible F9 expansion due to this?"

I very much hope not - at least, not in those markets. Between the two airlines - UAL and F9 - they have reduced capacity at DEN, so both stand a chance to improve yields.

I'm sure there will be some F9 expansion, but hopefully to other places.

I guess DEN/RDU now has to go on F9's possible expansion list, but UAL says they are dropping it because of poor passenger response, so even that is question mark.

cheers

mariner

"could we see a possible F9 expansion due to this?"

I very much hope not - at least, not in those markets. Between the two airlines - UAL and F9 - they have reduced capacity at DEN, so both stand a chance to improve yields.

I'm sure there will be some F9 expansion, but hopefully to other places.

I guess DEN/RDU now has to go on F9's possible expansion list, but UAL says they are dropping it because of poor passenger response, so even that is question mark.

cheers

mariner

aeternum nauta

poor passenger response? interesting.. I thought UAL stated that the RDU flights were doing well yeild and load wise.. I thought it was equipment that was causing the problems..

Aiming High and going far..

Is United Express no longer operating the DEN-AMA route?

"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!

ERJ170:

What the artice says is that UAL was "disappointed with passenger demand" (DEN/RDU).

I guess that may be open to interpretation.

cheers

mariner

What the artice says is that UAL was "disappointed with passenger demand" (DEN/RDU).

I guess that may be open to interpretation.

cheers

mariner

aeternum nauta

- jacobin777
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I'm just surprised by the amount of flights to LAX/SFO/ORD ....

"Up the Irons!"

- SHUPirate1
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BTW, for those who are saying that UA is "trimming" DEN flights, keep in mind that they currently operate 370 flights (per today's schedule), vs. 376 with the April schedule. As far as I can tell, DEN is actually GAINING UA flights.

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- MSYtristar
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Perhaps it is a decrease as opposed to last year's spring schedule. Does UA usually offer seasonal flight additions from DEN? (besides the obvious ANC flight of course)

Out of 376 flights only 10 are widebodies. That is not how it used to be.

I can drive faster than you

MSYTristar:

There's been some debate about this. The Rocky Mountain News used a comparison between the UA DEN schedule of April '04 and the schedule for April 05 (although some of the chnages take effect in January).

There are changes - later. I am told that UA is adding at least 1 x DEN/BOS flight in May, for the summer.

But that still doesn't affect the April to April comparison.

cheers

mariner

There's been some debate about this. The Rocky Mountain News used a comparison between the UA DEN schedule of April '04 and the schedule for April 05 (although some of the chnages take effect in January).

There are changes - later. I am told that UA is adding at least 1 x DEN/BOS flight in May, for the summer.

But that still doesn't affect the April to April comparison.

cheers

mariner

aeternum nauta

And yall say Ted is doing a good job.

ATP, CFI, CFII, MEI, B747-400, CRJ-200/700/900

- MSYtristar
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I'm just glad I got the chance to take a 744 from SFO to DEN in January '04. About three days after I took the flight all the 744's to/from DEN were replaced with 777's. I don't think the 47's have returned since.

SHUPirate1 - I believe it is mainline that will see the "trimming." Express will pick up some of the slack, and that is why the overall total does not drop. This was not unexpected. Since United announced it would cut domestic flying and add international flying, analysts agreed that Denver would be the place where the cuts would take place.

BigB - No Ted markets are being cut, so your comment makes no sense.

BigB - No Ted markets are being cut, so your comment makes no sense.

ANC is not seasonal service. It runs all year round.

If fact, I can't think of any seasonal service from Denver. Even Cancun service is year round.

Mark

If fact, I can't think of any seasonal service from Denver. Even Cancun service is year round.

Mark

A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man...

The DEN flights didn't cancel because they were empty...the are going away because Mesa didn't have a very good record and that the CRJ-700 can't deal with the headwinds. There is ALWAYS a weight restriction! I'm wondering if the EMB-170 can deal with it and take the bags?

Success is getting what you want...happiness is liking what you get

ATWzW170,

I believe that the next flight to DEN we will see will be F9 and not UAL. They are decreasing their domesticate a lot. Perhaps they will use more codeshare with US. But the next DEN-RDU you will see will be on F9. I'm pretty sure of that. And probably the A319. But will F9 do DEN, CUN, LAX much like BNA (except the LAX) or just DEN. That is the question.

I believe that the next flight to DEN we will see will be F9 and not UAL. They are decreasing their domesticate a lot. Perhaps they will use more codeshare with US. But the next DEN-RDU you will see will be on F9. I'm pretty sure of that. And probably the A319. But will F9 do DEN, CUN, LAX much like BNA (except the LAX) or just DEN. That is the question.

Aiming High and going far..

- FriendlySkies
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Anyone else notice that Air Wisconsin doesn't appear in that Apr. 2005 schedule? Seems as though UA has already written them off...

Doesn't Air Wisconsin do IAD/ORD mainly?

Aiming High and going far..

- FriendlySkies
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They do quite a bit of DEN flying, more so than IAD I think.

I remember back in the olden days (1996) when I flew a United DC10 from PHX to DEN, which continued to ORD. As we pulled into the gate, we parked next to another DC10 which was going to........OMA!

.......

- SHUPirate1
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FriendlySkies-I'm going to give you a pass on this, as it is fairly obvious you had a brain fart, and must have momentarily forgotten that AWAC stands for Air Wisconsin Airline Corporation. They will have 17 flights from Denver in this timetable, namely 6 146's to ASE, 4 CRJ's to COS, 1 CRJ to LNK, 3 CRJ's to MKE, a 146 and a CRJ to MSN, and a CRJ to SGF.

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AWAC doesn't do much flying in DEN any longer....and I didn't see them being gone in the schedules as of yet. AWAC is the largest carrier out of IAD for Express right now. At one point AWAC was at only 13 flights out of DEN. I think right now they are up to like 30 for the ski season...but will drop back down in March or April.

Success is getting what you want...happiness is liking what you get

And just FYI, I see AWAC flights in April out of Den....DEN-MSN, DEN-MKE are just a few of the routes I looked at.

Success is getting what you want...happiness is liking what you get

SSides-

Great Lakes operates the DEN-AMA routes now. They code share with UA but UAX has not operated that route since UAX/Air Wisconsin pulled out of there in April 2001.

Great Lakes operates the DEN-AMA routes now. They code share with UA but UAX has not operated that route since UAX/Air Wisconsin pulled out of there in April 2001.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

no widebodies to LAX? Wow that is really surprising.

I guess we won't be seeing DEN-BDL returning anytime soon.

Regards,

Eric

Regards,

Eric

- FriendlySkies
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SHUPirate1: Maybe I should put my glasses on next time lol.

But you'll agree that AWAC has seen significant cuts in their DEN routes. DEN used to be huge for them.

But you'll agree that AWAC has seen significant cuts in their DEN routes. DEN used to be huge for them.

PVR, ZIH and SJD are seasonal until 4/30.

The red-eyes to BOS and IAD have been seasonal.

The red-eyes to BOS and IAD have been seasonal.

UA mainline doesn't have 376 flights out of DEN. Where did this number come from? UA doesn't even have that many flights at ORD.

Jeremy

Jeremy

AWAC saw the reduction of flying from DEN because UA moved our assests to ORD and IAD...someone had to fill in for ACA, that was a big pocket...DEN was a big hub for us, and as all things do, that changed...now ORD and IAD are big hubs for us. We at least fly from 3 of the 5 hubs UA currently operates.

Success is getting what you want...happiness is liking what you get

I wish they would bring back DEN-BDL and SFO-BDL. Who knows if that will ever happen.

-Mike

-Mike

- NWFltAttendant
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hmmm.... interesting.. first massive blowouts with 2 partner carriers, now dumping flts at DEN. Seems like US v.2.0. Next itll be the de-hubbing od DEN as F9 walks all over them. Kinda sad when a supposed 'international airline' cant even stand up for itself at an interior domestic hub. Oh well, i suppose they can go scream anti-competitive practices by F9.. its the pot calling the kettle black. Lead follow or get out of the way !

Go yakkin !!!!!!

- SHUPirate1
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SESGDL-Sorry for the confusion. UA and UAX together will operate 376 daily flights with the April schedule.

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"Kinda sad when a supposed 'international airline' cant even stand up for itself at an interior domestic hub."

There is simply too much capacity and too many low fares for the number of passengers flying. By reducing capacity in certain markets fares should rise a bit. It's supply and demand.

By the way, I'd love to see how Northwest would "stand up for itself" should a LCC set up a major operation at MSP, DTW or MEM.

There is simply too much capacity and too many low fares for the number of passengers flying. By reducing capacity in certain markets fares should rise a bit. It's supply and demand.

By the way, I'd love to see how Northwest would "stand up for itself" should a LCC set up a major operation at MSP, DTW or MEM.

...they'd crush them, just like they've done time and time again with low-fare carriers on their competing routes. Then I guess we could see nwfltattendant gloat about how glorious NW is, but never bring up the anti-competitive practices which NW has basically built a reputation on...

I noticed that DRO lost the skywest Embraer 120 service. Is that due to lack of demand? Can't be it seems like, because the flights are always full.

And all at once the crowd begins to sing: Sometimes the hardest thing and the right thing are the same

DLKAPA:

It just depends on the date. . .they still have it:

Wed 22-Dec-04

Denver (DEN)

Depart 6:55 pm to Durango (DRO)

Arrive 8:17 pm 250 mile(s)

(402 km)

Duration: 1hr 22mn

Flight: 6280

Operated by: /UNITED EXPRESS/SKYWEST

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Economy/Coach Class, EMB-120

It just depends on the date. . .they still have it:

Wed 22-Dec-04

Denver (DEN)

Depart 6:55 pm to Durango (DRO)

Arrive 8:17 pm 250 mile(s)

(402 km)

Duration: 1hr 22mn

Flight: 6280

Operated by: /UNITED EXPRESS/SKYWEST

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Economy/Coach Class, EMB-120

Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.

Yeah it's still on now I probably should have rephrased the question or worded it differently:

Why is Durango losing the EMB-120 service according to the April '05 schedule?

Why is Durango losing the EMB-120 service according to the April '05 schedule?

And all at once the crowd begins to sing: Sometimes the hardest thing and the right thing are the same

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