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When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:04 pm

Now that NW is retiring their DC9's, I wonder if any will be sold and continue to fly. NW has maintained the planes well, but a 35+ year old plane is still going to require a fair amount of TLC.
What is sad is that these DC9's will probably become scrap.
Anyone know if there are plans to keep these ol' birds flying once they leave NW?
I hope NW keeps one and puts it inside of Detroit Metro's new airport!
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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:16 pm

I doubt they will be kept...35 years old is a bit too much , so I expect Mojave or something similar will receive the DC-9's.

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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Sun Nov 21, 2004 4:30 pm

I'm sure the majority will be scrapped....I'm really gonna miss them. I'm in my 50's - I've been spotting these things for years - they remind me of my childhood!
 
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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Sun Nov 21, 2004 4:50 pm

Northwest is retiring their DC9s?







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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Sun Nov 21, 2004 4:56 pm

Oh here we go again. NW is retiring the DC-9-10s, but the others are said by NW to be staying until at least the end of the decade. Again, when they do retire them, we will have nothing to talk about and Johan will have to shut down A.net from lack of usership and ad revenue Big grin
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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Sun Nov 21, 2004 4:58 pm

I think the answer would be found if we ask "what did NW do with the 727's??"
which is my question. I did see a few older 747s rotting somewhere in a picture here.
 
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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:02 pm

Won't NW keep at least one and park it at their head office for display?
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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:07 pm

OK... so who self-appointed to the position of CEO in here. Let get some facts straight about the NWA DC9 fleet. FIRST. there is no mass exodus of DC9s from NWA. 7 DC9s are being retired in 2005 with 3 A330s and 4 A319s replacing them. There has not, and will not be any mass retirement of these birds anytime soon. They're paid for, and supported by some of the finest technicians and engineers in the world. NWA is the world authority on DC9s.
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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:18 pm

>Let get some facts straight about the NWA DC9 fleet. FIRST. there is no mass exodus of DC9s from NWA. 7 DC9s are being retired in 2005 with 3 A330s and 4 A319s replacing them.<

Um, isn't an A330 a bit of a capacity jump for the routes the -9 flies? :P

>There has not, and will not be any mass retirement of these birds anytime soon. They're paid for, and supported by some of the finest technicians and engineers in the world. NWA is the world authority on DC9s.<

I know this, this is why they are able to keep a high fleet age with still good dispatch reliability and a great safety record. To add, they did a lot to improve the -9s not too long ago, so they will be flying till at least the 2010-2012 time period mentioned before on A.net. BTW, how are they to work?
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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:32 pm

As they have been kept in excellent condition and updated frequently, I would think that parting them out would be lucrative. There are still a fair number flying around the world.

Some might even find their way to African airlines who aren't as noise constrained. If they are airworthy and cheap to buy then there are going to be takers for them.
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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:33 am

NW tends to be a bit id an "end used" of their aircraft. You really don't see any 7x7-x51s flying around after NW is finished with them. Looking at the DC-10 thread, they have at least 10 DC-10-30s with over 100,000 hours on them.All of the DC-10-40s have gone directly to the scrapper. The DC-9s aren't even considered for retirement tillt hey hit 100,000 hours. A quick look at some recent high-time -9s in their fleet:

N918RW 97971 hours as of 9/22/04
N919RW 93956 hours as of 6/11/04
N921RW 99193 hours as of 4/29/04
N923RW 98695 hours as of 9/28/04
N924RW 94509 hours as of 8/21/04
N955N 101093 cycles as of 1/04/04
N956N 100909 cycles as of 1/05/04


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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:55 am

The DC-9s aren't even considered for retirement tillt hey hit 100,000 hours. A quick look at some recent high-time -9s in their fleet:

Per my understanding, the DC-9's construction at major joints features two interlocking "J-joints" with a rivit driven through this. Aparently, this is a *very* durable method, but not exactly light weight, so we will see DC-9s flying for a long time to come....

To add, they did a lot to improve the -9s not too long ago, so they will be flying till at least the 2010-2012 time period mentioned before on A.net. BTW, how are they to work?

The new cabins were absolutely awesome and are still on par with most domestic aircraft in the US. The big upgrade was the noise suppression kits, which were fitted to the noisey JT9Ds. Even with these, they might run the risk of violating noise regulations in the future.....
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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Mon Nov 22, 2004 5:39 am

I should have know certain "Topic Police" would come in and get all upset because I'm talking about NW DC-9's.
So N1120a, let me ask my question about NW DC9's. I am curious where they are going.

The fact is, NW is starting to get rid of them, and I am curious to know what will happen with the planes. As some more thoughtful people pointed out, the planes are likely heading for their graves.But I wonder if any airliner will want 40 year old DC9's. I believe the US postal services has some 727's about the same age.
Also, some of NW's DC-9's aren't closing in on 40, so they probably have some years left.
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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:13 am

What do all the NW employees think about the 9s? CSAs, F/As...etc??? Want to see them go or stay?
 
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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:24 am

I think, for the most part, the DC-9 has mixed reviews from all employees. There are cabin crews who love to work it, and there are crews who would rather work an Airbus. There are some flight crews who love it work it, and some who can't wait to get off of it. Some CSAs like it, some don't (mainly those who have far too many passengers and only one 100 seat DC-9).

I for one love the DC-9. I've always thought that if it's been flying for as long as it has been, then it's a great machine, and it is. It's well maintained, fairly comfortable, quick, reliable, etc.

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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:46 am

Air Canada retired their DC-9s in 2002, most in the 90,000 hour range.

A handful were sold to African operators, some sent to the desert, and one donated to the Canada Aviation Museum in Ottawa (saw a -9 land on a 3,000 foot strip!). So, the African option may be a possibility for NW's DC-9s because, like Air Canada, they have a good "predigree".
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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:52 am

Personally, I've always loved flying DC 9's/MD 80-90's. I found them to be more quiet compared with similar 737's, and I don't know why, they seem to fly smoother. Could the engine placement have something to do with smoothness?
My early days on planes in Norway were on DC9's (and a Caravelle). Too bad the 717 hasn't really caught on.

The 319 & 320 are excellent planes, but it would have been neat to see NW continue with the 717.
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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Mon Nov 22, 2004 12:21 pm

Personally, I've always loved flying DC 9's/MD 80-90's. I found them to be more quiet compared with similar 737's, and I don't know why, they seem to fly smoother.

You fly first class or something? My expirences on rear mounted jets (EX L1011 and DC10/MD11) have all been bad. I've never flown the 717, but I;ve flown the DC9 and the MD80 and I've had some pretty bumpy and loud rides, espically in the back.
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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Mon Nov 22, 2004 1:26 pm

The fact is, NW is starting to get rid of them,

No, not really, they retire 1 or 2 a year, just this year they are getting rid of the DC-9-10's, thats it.
 
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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Mon Nov 22, 2004 1:56 pm

They're getting rid of -14/15s and -31s this year. In most of these cases, the useful life of the airframe is gone and there is a heavy check coming up. NW is not going to invest in a D check on an airframe with 100,000 hours or cycles. Unfortunately, not many other people will either, so the vast majority of these will be B/U.

Also, the USPS does not own nor operate any aircraft. The old Ryan and Emery 721s have been parked for years, and at least 2 were sent to the scrapper this year.
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Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:49 pm

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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Mon Nov 22, 2004 3:09 pm

I think NW's D9 fleet will be slowly phased out, mostly because that fleet underwent a major upgrade program in the middle 1990's. I do think NW should save at least one DC-9-30 and put it in a museum in the Minneapolis area.  Smile
 
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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:14 am

hot news for U.
They´ll be gone, the sky will get quieter and cleaner, and we´ll be seeing
E-190´s all around DTW, in and out, in and out.

At least that´s my dream.  Big thumbs up

one thing for sure is that they are getting to the top of their use, the end of the line.
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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:08 am

NW tends to be a bit id an "end used" of their aircraft. You really don't see any 7x7-x51s flying around after NW is finished with them.

It's actually not correct you never see former Northwest aircraft flying.
Their Boeing 707s and 720s ALL continued for long years, like with Olympic Airways, Maersk, Cathay Pacific, LAN Chile, Kenya Airways, PIA, Alyemda and others. Actually a former Northwest 720 is still flying with Honeywell and six 707 with the Spanish Air Force, the Chilean Air Force, the Pakistan Air Force, BETA Cargo of Brazil, Omega Air and Allied Air in Africa.
Of the 727s, even about 10 -51s are still flying, with Kam Air in Afghanistan, LA Suramericanas of Colombia, Clay Lacy USA, Marbiya Investments, Dallah Albaraka, Angola Air Charter, Heavylift Cargo, Flightstar, while many former 200s survive with Kitty Hawk, Mahfooz, Grecoair, LAS, Sunworld, Custom, Champion Air, LAB, Capital Cargo
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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:54 am

Interesting side note -

I was at ORD today, and saw two fire trucks spraying down a NW DC-9. I had never seen this in real life before - just pictures. I would have been interested to find out how long that pilot had been flying before retirement. Any of you NW folks know this pilot? I would imagine he or she was a DC-9 pilot for quite a few years! Quite a way to go out!

A little off topic, but still related to NW DC-9s! (Although it was not a -10!)
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RE: When NW DC9's Aren't Flying

Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:03 pm

It's actually not correct you never see former Northwest aircraft flying.

I believe the DC9's are older (or will be older) before retirement compared with the 727's (not sure about the 707's). Or at least most of the 727's

The question is, of the so-far retired DC9's, which are parked and which are being resold or re-leased?
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