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TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 4:05 am

Does anyone know? Thanks
 
Vimanav
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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 4:21 am

TG 772s are all base models powered by Trent 875 engines.

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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:16 am

They will soon place an order for 6 777-200ER but the ones they have now are all 777-200, non-ER.

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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 9:11 am

Only as long as there doesn't suddenly appear a problem with imported shrimps  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 2:17 pm

All of their 772s are base models? so with their ex nrt-lax and present kix-lax, do they do the sector with any weight restrictions? I kinda think that it would be a pretty long leg for Non-Ers to do it....
 
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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:21 pm

I really get the feeling the current 777 operations at thai and Cathay aren't really very serious, espescially the 772. I suspected they were ordered more in the "me too" fashon when SQ, JAL and ANA were buying 777s big. Both these carriers seem more interested in 332 operations.... the small fleet of 773's may be the exception.
 
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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:42 pm

>I really get the feeling the current 777 operations at thai and Cathay aren't really very serious, espescially the 772. I suspected they were ordered more in the "me too" fashon when SQ, JAL and ANA were buying 777s big. Both these carriers seem more interested in 332 operations.... the small fleet of 773's may be the exception.<

Right, TG and CX buy planes because they want to run "me too" operations. Especially CX which is owned by a company that has to make money in order to survive. They fly their 777s full and they are the best planes to run intra-asian routes. That is also why CX launched the 773 and flies 15 777s total, and why Thai has more 777s than A330s and is now getting the ER model for longer ops.
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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:00 pm

They will soon place an order for 6 777-200ER but the ones they have now are all 777-200, non-ER.

The777Man



ummm not really, they have 2 777-200ER's and 2 777-200's , wich were originally delivered to BA, than to kalitha (but never flew)
 
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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:06 pm

>ummm not really, they have 2 777-200ER's and 2 777-200's , wich were originally delivered to BA, than to kalitha (but never flew)<

According to Thai, they have 6 773s and 8 772s, does not say anything about ERs. Oh, since when does Kalitta fly 777s, and when is an engine going to fall off?
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Lufthansa
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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:28 pm

I stand by the comment.

The 772 especially at cathay is the odd ball. there is nothing wrong with the 772 itself, but operaint 772s in shorthaul and 333s is an overkill.

the 773 however is a different aircraft and was a good 742 replacement...hence cathay launching it. And in Asia....there definately is a "me too" thing happening. Don't believe me? Well isn't it strange that QF ordered A380s after SQ and EK said they were both going to use them to sydney.

 
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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:32 pm

Both these carriers seem more interested in 332 operations

Yeah, particularly since neither one of them flies that aircraft  Laugh out loud





ummm not really, they have 2 777-200ER's and 2 777-200's , wich were originally delivered to BA, than to kalitha (but never flew)

Hate to tell you this cher, but you're thinking of VARIG, not Thai.  Big grin

That, and he's thinking of Khalifa the defunct African carrier, not Kalitta.
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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:34 pm

>The 772 especially at cathay is the odd ball. there is nothing wrong with the 772 itself, but operaint 772s in shorthaul and 333s is an overkill.<

By that logic, ANA and JAL are stupid for flying 747s on flights less than 500 miles in Japan. If you can fill the plane, which they CX do, you make money

>the 773 however is a different aircraft and was a good 742 replacement...hence cathay launching it. And in Asia....there definately is a "me too" thing happening. Don't believe me? Well isn't it strange that QF ordered A380s after SQ and EK said they were both going to use them to sydney.<

QF fills up to 3 747s a day SYD-LAX and 1 MEL-LAX. The A380 (or 747ADV) is right for QF as much as it is for anyone. In fact, the reason they bought the A330 is because Airbus gave them to QF for dirt cheap as incentive for being a launch customer for the A380.

[Edited 2004-12-04 09:45:08]
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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:43 pm

but operaint 772s in shorthaul and 333s is an overkill

Not when you move insane amounts of cargo, per segment, as CX does....

...that's one reason the 772As (with their SCD) are oddballs to that airline.
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Lufthansa
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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:47 pm

Not at all.

the 744 is a big bird, and there was nothing else in its class with JL and ANA made that choice.

What I am saying is that the A330 or the 772 is fine...but not both are needed for short haul for the same mission, as both of these carriers do.

It's got nothing to do with filling the plane.... its got everything to do with not needed 2 airplanes of about the same size to do about the same job.

And as far as QF is concerned...yes they need the A380... but they had no interest in it until all the business people in sydney started talking about Emirates A380 and jain emails of mock up picts of the new first class section started going around. Sure they need it all right, but up until that point, they had just planned on putting additional 747s on.

Concorde...ment 333.... tired.... just got in from BNE and still adjusting.
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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:57 pm

>What I am saying is that the A330 or the 772 is fine...but not both are needed for short haul for the same mission, as both of these carriers do.<

They don't do the same mission

>It's got nothing to do with filling the plane.... its got everything to do with not needed 2 airplanes of about the same size to do about the same job.<

Same size huh? The 772A has an MTOW of 545,000 pounds and holds 6 pallets, 14 LD-3s and 600 more cubic feet of bulk cargo. The A333 has an MTOW of 507,000 pounds.
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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:07 pm

N1120a

I'm not going to bother argue with you, everybody knows the 772A and the 333 compete in the same market for the same role, so an attempt to argue otherwise is really just looking for an arguement.... go find someone else to argue with, you do seem to constantly desire it.

I'm in singapore and enjoying my time off.... anybody who wants to make constructive comment, however is most welcome.
 
mauriceb
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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:10 pm

According to Thai, they have 6 773s and 8 772s, does not say anything about ERs. Oh, since when does Kalitta fly 777s, and when is an engine going to fall off?


Woops sorry guys.... I thought it was about Varig , Shame on me.... and yes indeed i ment Khaliffa....

sorry sorry sorry....
 
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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:17 pm

so an attempt to argue otherwise is really just looking for an arguement....

....that, and it's also correct  Laugh out loud
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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:30 pm

>everybody knows the 772A and the 333 compete in the same market for the same role<

Except Cathay Pacific and Thai Airways.

>so an attempt to argue otherwise is really just looking for an arguement.... go find someone else to argue with, you do seem to constantly desire it.<

I desire a lot of things (justice, equality, Hot WN Stewardesses), arguing is not one of them. It is my chosen profession, but that is only in pursuit of other things. I am not arguing here, I am pointing out the truth, as C-Boy pointed out.
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Lufthansa
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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:43 pm

Yes....the 777 can carry more.... but the 777A is still in the same class of airframe.

To suggest it isn't, is no different to suggesting the A320 and the 738 aren't competitors. Once again, airbus gives a slightly smaller offering, intended to do the same job.
 
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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:50 pm

The point here, is that while they can be used for the same job... each is slightly better at a slightly different mission profile, and airlines like TG/CX have learned to exploit that to their benefit.*

Same for AF with the A343s and 772ERs






*I do think that for the sake of candor, it should be mentioned that CX would soon as rather rid themselves of the 772As (mostly due to the SCD) and be done with it.
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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:53 pm

>*I do think that for the sake of candor, it should be mentioned that CX would soon as rather rid themselves of the 772As (mostly due to the SCD) and be done with it.<

sort of like they want rid of the A346 (where is gigneil to jump all over this?)
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RE: TG 772's (ERs Or Base Model)?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 10:55 pm


I really get the feeling the current 777 operations at thai and Cathay aren't really very serious, espescially the 772. I suspected they were ordered more in the "me too" fashon when SQ, JAL and ANA were buying 777s big.


I know what you're trying to say. But Thai (1991) and Cathay (1992) ordered the 777 looooooong before Singapore (1995) did. Thai even ordered before JAL (1992). Also, JAL's initial order (7) was smaller than Cathay's (11) and Thai's (8). So, I don't think your reasoning make too much sense. FWIW, it is quite well known that Cathay ordered the 777 to have a bigger say in the 773 which they launched with Thai, ANA, JAL, and KAL in 1995.

[Edited 2004-12-04 15:10:37]

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