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A350 - First Pictures!

Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:27 pm

Hello everyone

Airbus has just published the first 'pictures' of the A350. Nothing world shocking, but it does look quite nice. Enjoy:
http://www.airbus.com/MultimediaElements/3246.jpg
http://www.airbus.com/MultimediaElements/3245.jpg
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:30 pm

Looks awfully similar to the A330!  Smile

I like it though.

Cheers for sharing these with us.

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:35 pm

Well, nothing very new.
They could call it A330-100... as it really looks like a shortened A332 (That's what it is in fact...)

 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:35 pm

Why the hell is it designated the "800/900", what ever happened to the good old traditional naming method of starting with 100?
 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:37 pm

It might aswell be the A330-900 or A330 ADV...The only thing different is the nose and cocpit windows  Smile

But I like it aswell, im sure airbus might change some of the features of it.

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:39 pm

Looks like the winglets have grown somewhat, probably related to the experimental winglets that have been testflown on the A342 prototype recently.
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:40 pm

If this is real, it just leaves me with one question: in the huge A v. B war, isn't one of the Airbus fan's biggest complaints about Boeing the fact that they've stuck with the 737 fuselage for so long?
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:42 pm

Nice pics, thanks . . . .

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:46 pm

If you look closely at the second pic it has a reg, search that reg up on a.net and you will find an A330 in Airbus colours, then the same aircraft was sold to Cathay.

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:52 pm

Something´s wrong w A332-333? I dont think so.

They are real eyecandy, both of them!

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:12 am

What a boring looking aircraft.
 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:26 am

boring! boring! This thing looks just like a A300 from 30 years ago! For crips sake Airbus, how about a little more imagation. At least boeing is trying to change the look of an aircraft with the 7E7. Line up every Airbus they have made and they all look the same.PERIOD!
 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:35 am

I actually don't see any difference between the A330. Most differences will probably not be visible from the exterior, the only differences being the technologies that will be used and more composite materials as well. Otherwise it will look identical to the A330. Only the engines are different than the A330, from an exterior point of view that is.

I hope the A350 will be a success, just like the A330 has been. I wish both Boeing and Airbus all the best in competing with each other, the A350 vs. 7E7. Sounds interesting...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:36 am

Why would you change a winning formula? Boring aircraft can make not so boring profits  Big grin
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:40 am

Looks aint always everything, as Airbus have shown us. The 7E7 is pleasing to the eye, but the real factor is will it be pleasing to the customer? I have a feeling many airlines have delayed decisions on the 7E7 due to the A350. They will way up the performance of each aircraft and the costs involved.

I have no preference as to who make the aircraft, a planes a plane after all, gets you from A-B (no airbus or boeing reference intentional there).  Smile
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:48 am

Looks awfully similar to the A330!

The first draft of the 7E7 wasn't very spectacular looking either. Just about everyone here dismissed it as a 767 with winglets. Since very little of the A350 has been determined, the final aircraft could easily look very different...

Otherwise it will look identical to the A330. Only the engines are different than the A330, from an exterior point of view that is.

Airbus has mentioned that it will have a new nose as well....
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:10 am

Who cares if it looks like an A330? We have ANOTHER plane we can spot, and watch them build.

EVERYONE should be happy today -- since we ALL love to watch planes. Gives us more opportunity.

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:34 am

They could call it A330-100... as it really looks like a shortened A332 (That's what it is in fact...)

No, it isn't.

Its exactly the same size as the A330-200 and -300.

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:35 am

I was hoping that when the time came for an A300 successor Airbus would take the opportunity to break away from the classic airframe. It need not have been a radical as the 7E7. Perhaps someting a tad wider to truly accommodate 8-abreast seating. Oh well, same ol' hat.  Insane
 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:42 am

BluebellyA380, 8-abreast seating really is no problem in the current Airbus widebodies... it's the 9-abreast seating that's, well, problematic...

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:51 am

Higher tail, bigger winglets and wider wingtip is what I see right now.

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:55 am

I highly doubt that these photos were done on a computer. Meethinks they just painted an A332 in A350 scheme and flew it around the block. Cause really that's all the A350 is, a glorified A332.
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:57 am

Looks like someone from airbus took an A330-200 photo, enlarged the engines and winglets, and slapped "A350-900" on the side of it.  Big grin
 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:57 am

The first pictures of the 7E7 looked like a slightly pregnant 767-400ER.

Nothing to worry about. New pictures will come along.

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:01 am

Maybe both companies should stop releasing pictures until the plane actually looks different? I remember those early 7E7 pics...it was a fat 767 with a 777 tail and bigger engines.
 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:01 am

hum, lets wait for the result of it. but with this design, spotting clearly would get a bit more difficult...

i dont really see the need for yet another widebody. 330, 340 and 380 pretty cover the range one shoulld think. so, why not just advance performance on the existing planes.

well, as spotters, we can cheer on any new plane in the end  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:24 am

Nothing earthshaking is un understatement!

Does anybody know if there's a reason why they're keeping the old A300-style cockpit section that's been around for thirty years or so?

Is it so complicated or expensive to just make it a little more sleek?
I really can't imagine that, since it's not a structurally complex area and aerodynamically it could only be better...

In the bus or truck industrie, and they are notoriously conservative, it would be unimagianble to come up with a new product and not adapt the looks a little bit just to be more contemporary and give it the edge over the competition. Even as a European, that's 2 thumbs down for me (as for the 737NG and the 717 btw).

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:38 am

The first one is a A330-300 with larger engines and the -200's rear/tail design and the second photo is a -200 with larger engines. Like European said the regis. in those pics was registered as an A330 so more th an likely its just a photoshop on what they think it will look like,hopefully it has some dramatic changes before it goes into production.
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:01 am

The first 7e7 draft I believe...

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:19 am

You are all right, a plane is a plane. The more aircraft types we can spot, the better for us spotters too.  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:22 am

Definetly a shotened 330.
 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:28 am

Thank you for the pictures!

The only difference I see from the A330 is the engines!
If Airbus goes ahead with the A350. What is going to happen to the A330?
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:38 am

I find it peculiar that both Airbus and Boeing are touting new twin-engined aircraft (7E7 + 350) capable of flying 14000-15000 km (7000-8000 nm) when at the same time their already-in-production-and-service aircraft (772ER, 772LR, A345, A346) are not selling in massive numbers. Why would they want even more aircraft models that will sell in limited numbers.

I don't think the ultra-long-haul market will be as big as everyone anticipated, as it can drive even the most patient person mad spending 18 hours in the air non stop. After all, 2/3s of all pax will be riding cattle class, and that ain't fun with 31" leg room and restricted recline.

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:48 am

Can we say "A new twist on an old favorite"?? Seems to me like Airbus just re-did the A330, simply to compete with Boeing now. Sad, really.
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:55 am

is that it! well i think i stick with boeing..
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:58 am

If they are not building a new plane from scratch, then I think they should not give it a new model number. Abe Lincoln would say, " You can fool some of the customers some of the time..."
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:08 am

Blackbird1331, as in calling the newer versions of the DC9 first MD80, then MD90 and, last but not least, B717?
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:15 am

I agree with btblue, looks very boring, 7E7 looks much cooler in my opinion
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:17 am

I was not an A.netter back then, if I had been, I would have had similar sentiments.
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:19 am

i've always been a closet a332 admirer myself, i think it's one of the most beautiful birds today... so i'm hoping that we (sq) will go with the a350 or the a30x (is that the right number for the upcoming smaller version of the a350 for regional flights?)
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:21 am

I find it peculiar that both Airbus and Boeing are touting new twin-engined aircraft (7E7 + 350) capable of flying 14000-15000 km (7000-8000 nm) when at the same time their already-in-production-and-service aircraft (772ER, 772LR, A345, A346) are not selling in massive numbers. Why would they want even more aircraft models that will sell in limited numbers.


There are pleanty of reasons to see why longer-ranged aircraft are the future-

1. In a nutshell: range = payload. On flights that are only 6,000-7,500nm, the 7E7 can carry a full complement of passengers and cargo, whereas the A330 and 767 would have to make payload cuts. More payload means more revenue and fewer diversions.

2. These aircraft are all smaller than the 300-325 seat 772LR/A345. Many distant city-pairs can't sustain low-frequency flights with such large aircraft, but they could sustain frequencies with smaller aircraft. The 7E7-8 only seats 220 passengers in Boeing's configuration, which likely doesn't include lie-flat seats, ect.

3. Long range and small capacity allows airlines to fly new long-thin routes, and PTP destinations. Airlines can bypass hubs, offer direct flights, and have a conveient 767/A330 replacement all in the same aircraft.

it can drive even the most patient person mad spending 18 hours in the air non stop. After all, 2/3s of all pax will be riding cattle class, and that ain't fun with 31" leg room and restricted recline

Hence Boeing's emphasis on cabin ambience, seating comfort, more personal space, larger storage bins, higher cabin pressure and humidity, large windows, and standard IFE....
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:23 am

Blackbird1331, as in calling the newer versions of the DC9 first MD80, then MD90 and, last but not least, B717?

That really isn't a fair comparison. The DC-9 was orginally name for the Douglas Corporation. When McDonnell Aircraft and Douglas merged, they named the new model the MD-80, for McDonnell-Douglas. Now, the same thing happened with the 717. Boeing needed to rename it to keep the brand recognition there. The Boeing MD-95 just doesn't sound right. If they had kept the MD-11 (which would have made no sense, but just work with me here), they would have renamed it as well (probably 787).

What Airbus is doing is like what Boeing did with the 767-400ER. They stretched it, gave it some new avionics, and that's it. But they didn't call it the 787, they called it a 767, because that's what it is. Just like the A350 is an A330.  Big grin
 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:39 am

This thing looks just like a A300 from 30 years ago!

I know somewhere out there is a die hard Airbus fan that realizes they no longer have a leg to stand on when they try to say that the 737NG is an old design.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Airbus is presenting thier latast product, the A350. Nothing more than a warmed over A300. - Now don't get me wrong. I'm an airliner fan, so any new product development is cool in my books. I'm critisizing the individual, not the aircraft.
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:42 am

This is awesome! Airbus got 3 -LR 2010:

A330-200LR (8600 nm)

A330-300LR (7500 nm)

A345 (9000nm)

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:59 am

By 2010, Boeing will have 5!  Smile

744ER - 7670 nm
772LR - 9420 nm
773ER - 7880 nm
7E8 - 8500 nm
7E9 - 8300 nm

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:07 am

like I said it is a pure A330 with composite materials and different name ...but I will assume that a 5.4 bi with justify the name change...
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:07 am

Oh... yippee... another "mine's bigger than your's" contest...  Insane

Well, since we're already at it, Boeing nut, maybe Solnabo shouldn't have forgotten to mention the following planes

A340-600 - 7900nm
A380-800 - 8000nm

So, we're back at 5 long range planes for each manufacturer... are we done with this now?

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:10 am

Boring Boring Boring! It is indeed unfortunate not to see a really nice new design. But then, if the A330 is a good airframe (which it is) then why change it just to keep us happy? The airlines and passengers dont care at all! Also, I read an article recently detailing that First Choice (as a 7E7 launch customer) had asked Boeing to reconsider some of its curves. I think it was the tail in question. Although it looked really nice, apparently not as aerodynamic as a traditional design....

Shame its not something new, but the A330 isn't broken....
 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:12 am

Boeing Nut:

Don't forget:

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:16 am

I think this is still the stupidest project Airbus have undertaken.. Why rename it? Its still an A330 just like the 747-400 was still a 747.

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