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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:52 am

All I know is that it was a smart business decision by Airbus to take away some of Boeing's thunder. As for the aircraft itself, we'll have to wait and see what the A350 offers.
 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:54 am

"Whats the difference Externally & Internally from the A332."


Well I can guess the differences from a passenger's perspective...

I would imagine that the safety cards would read A350 on top rather than A330.

Other than that, you got me.
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:59 am

Bjg231:

Now compare the difference between the A350 and 7E7 from a passenger's perspective:

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planelymad
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:07 am

Right, maybe someone out there can help me.

I can't see the pics from the first post in the thread as I can never see the first item in the thread - why is that? (I have tried emailing the A.net people about this without reply - despite being a fully paid up First Class Member).

Maybe the photos could be repeated for my benefit please?? (And for others with the same problem)

Thank you very much
 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:24 am

I think the marketing department at Boeing will love these pictures and make the most out of "nothing new from Airbus".

I also think that Airbus missed a huge opportunity by bringing out the 350 instead of saying that they were upgrading both the 320 and 330 series with "E" technologies. Spend the $4 - $5 billion on significant operational improvements to both lines and they would have had B over a barrel.

If A missed this opportunity then the advantage goes to B - ridicule the 350 as a jury rigged 330, push the total innovation of the 7E7 and wait for the first (large) order from Southwest for a 737 version of the 7E7 to get that one started.
 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:37 am

Is it just me or shouldn't Airbus just add -400 through -900 to the current 330? Or make it a next generation 330 like they did with the 340. The plane looks exactly the same as the 330 to me. It's going to be hell to spot the 330 vs the 350. Hell, some of us still have problems telling the difference between the classic 737's and the next generation 737's. Good luck spotting.

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:59 am


Different wings, bleedless engines, pax of a 777, and airbus keeps flopping on its range, range of 777, to 9500nm,


You pretty much made all that up based on rumors from this site, not Airbus announcements of any kind.

Good job, child. Enjoyed that December 8th NW announcement. Oh, wait, it didn't happen.

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:01 am

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2003/photorelease/q1/pr_030129h1.html

I don't know if the 7E7 looked that amazing from the first pictures either.
 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:49 am

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2003/photorelease/q1/pr_030129h1.html

Hope this helps. And no, it didn't look that revolutionary. I suspect this pic might be the closest to the eventual thing though - form following function and all that.

The fuselage profile has already gone back to conventional, the shark tail looks likely to be a goner, and much as I hope to see them survive, I'll bet anyone 5c that those nice deep windows go the same way, as do the big open entrance lobbies that coud be replaced with an extra half row of seats.

Just like the original A380 concepts, I loved the way Boeing showed a revolutionary design for the 7E7, but also just like the A380 I am convinced that these innovations will make way for economics and airline demands.

I think what we'll see is a mini 777 from Boeing and a 330 evolution from Airbus. There's nothing wrong with this at all - the form of the aircraft has to match customer demands or there won't be many sales.

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:01 am

An airline buys an aircraft based on its characteristics, not on a picture.

We all know that the B7E7 is not going to look like it's pictures (Boeing even stated that), well the A350 will not look like these pictures either.

A different wing, a lighter fuselage and different engines = a new airplane. The fuselage (and nose) might look the same yes. The A330 isn't that old and quite a succes.
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:02 am

Different wings, bleedless engines, pax of a 777, and airbus keeps flopping on its range, range of 777, to 9500nm,

You pretty much made all that up based on rumors from this site, not Airbus announcements of any kind.

Good job, child. Enjoyed that December 8th NW announcement. Oh, wait, it didn't happen.


Hey good call, I never posted the December 8th announcement, rathern NW management was meeting to make a decision, never said an announcement, I believe the main post was made by E7P... something another, get your facts strait.

Also, Airbus did release some of those facts.
 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:24 am

For a range of the various 7E7 pics:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/7e7/photos.html
 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:35 am

Nothing new under the sun!!

Thank you very much for the pics,

Cheers,

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gigneil
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:54 am

Also, Airbus did release some of those facts.

Source them for me, then.

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:07 am

Not quite 9500NM... but 8600NM
New composite wing design
285 Pax in a 3-class config... (772 has about 305)
General Electric GEnx 72A1 engines....

http://www.airbus.com/dynamic/media/press_releases.asp#1632

There's the source...
 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:33 am

I am a bit disappointed at the pictures, they remind me that first picture of the 7E7, which looked more like a 767-400 than anything new.

But then again as it was mentioned several times, airlines aren't supposed to buy metal out of funky design on glossy paper or flat screen.

Still I do hope that the A350s will look a tat different from the A330-200 & A330-300. It sounds more like marketing hype to have a new model series than anything else. They could have named them A330-500 & A330-600 if you asked me.

And then I wonder. Why blocking the top notch. I mean they could have customers for an A350 that would actually be a sort of A340-600 with 2 engines and the range of the A330-200. A stretch! Now they'd have to name that A350-1000 or just place it below the A350-800 with a series that isn't related to any order of scale.

2010 also sounds bloody late to have such an apparently minor endeavor to produce the first commercial flight. It's not like they're designing Concorde out of pen and paper.

Where is the replacement of the A300/A310 Family? I mean Airbus doesn't offer anything that will compete with the 7E7-8 in terms of soft capacity and strong range. Not really replacing the A300 & A310 with better products, not really competing with the 7E7-3 and 7E7-8, and still several notches below the newest 777s. Would be interesting to see if they're gonna offer a freighter version of this to counter the 777-200(LR)F.

Based on the products I would tend to go Boeing. But then again it's like everyday at the groceries store; if the price tag has a premium for an item that does the job done as well, why burst the purse?!
 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:42 am

what ever happened to the good old traditional naming method of starting with 100?

Well you could ask the same about the 757, 767, 777, A330, A340!

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:51 am

what ever happened to the good old traditional naming method of starting with 100?

Well you could ask the same about the 757, 767, 777, A330, A340!


no, they started at 200 because they had the option for a shortened version with finally was never built. Airbus probably doesn't plan seven shortened versions of the A350  Insane

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:55 am

There's the source...

Not of the wild flip flopping of capabilities Burnsie28 was pointing at.

He formulated an opinion based on speculation, then accused Airbus of being random. The reality is, Airbus never released any specs until the day they posted them on the website.

I mean Airbus doesn't offer anything that will compete with the 7E7-8 in terms of soft capacity and strong range.

What are you talking about? The A350-800 offers more range than the 7E7-8, and carries 30 more passengers.

no, they started at 200 because they had the option for a shortened version with finally was never built. Airbus probably doesn't plan seven shortened versions of the A350

That's not why.

Boeing doesn't name new airframes -100 anymore because they don't want people to feel like they're flying on the first version of something. Not because of shortening ability. There was never the possibility of a 767-100.

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:52 am

It's a great pity, they obviously don't think of using bigger Windows.
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:56 am

Alright! It's an A330 with different engines! Way to think outside the box, Airbus...

Why don't we just call it the A330-500? Is that thing really worthy of its own number?
 
gigneil
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:02 am

I think a $5.3b investment is worthy of its own number.

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:05 am

I think a $5.3b investment is worthy of its own number.

It's a whole lot more than just new engines, that's for sure! The 7E7 development is probably closer to 8-9 billion USD, given that Boeing's investment is just 5.7 billion USD.

Airbus saves a significant amount of money in maintaining exisiting infastructure, whereas Boeing will have to build new equipment to accomidate the new manufacturing process....
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:06 am

The 7E7 development is probably closer to 8-9 billion USD, given that Boeing's investment is just 5.7 billion USD.


The total investment is just over $6 billion USD, including risk sharing partners.

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:20 am

Where is the replacement of the A300/A310 Family? I mean Airbus doesn't offer anything that will compete with the 7E7-8 in terms of soft capacity and strong range. Not really replacing the A300 & A310 with better products, not really competing with the 7E7-3 and 7E7-8

BrightCedars, totally agree with you! Its about time, airbus brought out an A300 sucessor. But i think Airbus just thinks that the A350 (size of a330) is the more wanted plane nowadays. Allthough, I dont think so. if you see, that there have already been some 7e7-8 orders placed

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Fri Dec 24, 2004 5:12 am

What is this?!!!

 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Fri Dec 24, 2004 5:17 am

Will the windows be aligned in that curved style?

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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Fri Dec 24, 2004 5:18 am

In the words of Peter from Family Guy:

"Freekin' Sweet!"
 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Fri Dec 24, 2004 5:37 am

Wow - gotta admit that 7E7 interior is looking pretty cool.

Along with the A350 and A380, I can't wait for the 7E7(787) to get airbourne for the first time...

Cheers,
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Fri Dec 24, 2004 5:51 am

In all honesty and fairness, even though I'm a diehard Airus fan, I can;t wait until either the A350 or 787 get airborne. Same goes with the A380. Too bad someone doesnt resurrect Douglas to make a new variant of the DC-10. Oh well one can dream.
 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Fri Dec 24, 2004 5:55 am

Looks to me like Airbus has lost its touch when it comes to originality! At least the 7E7 LOOKS cool. I can't tell much difference between this A350 and the A330.
 
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Fri Dec 24, 2004 6:43 am

Horus:
.... that is not the real 7E7 cabin. It looks very cool for marketing purposes, but you dont see seatbelts, no overhead compartment for carry-ons and no enclousures under the seats to hold anything. Also, no PTV or the equipment that goes with it (if not wireless), no personal light or air features above the seats, no floating devices, etc.
(That pic looks more like the interior of a Disney ride)

My dream seat on a plane would be something similar to a reclainer, cushioned all over with foot rest..in coach!.. that is why the call it the dreamliner  Smile



[Edited 2004-12-23 22:44:09]

[Edited 2004-12-23 23:08:44]
 
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RE: JAL For Skyteam Or Oneworld?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 6:52 am

boring and ugly. The 7E7 looks a million times better...
 
gigneil
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RE: A350 - First Pictures!

Fri Dec 24, 2004 10:33 am

Will the windows be aligned in that curved style?

Of course not. The original drawings were like that. They decided it was a bad idea.

For those who keep repeating "Airbus has lost their originality", please look no further than your own post for a great example of same.

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