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Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 6:41 am

Here in BNN, the biggest a/c we get is the Dash 8-100 series. The runway is 3937 × 98 ft (1200 × 30 m). My question is: What types of jets can operate commercially on this size of runway? Can the CRJ's do it?

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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 7:04 am

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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 7:06 am

You could get a Bae-146/ARJ on there probably...also some of the smaller bizjets...

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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 7:13 am

The Bae-146 would be to big for the BNN-OSL market, are there any smaller passenger A/C's that can operate into BNN?
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 7:30 am

The Bae-146 would be to big for the BNN-OSL market...

That wasn't your original question. You asked What types of jets can operate commercially on this size of runway?

To answer your original question, ditto to what USAF said. But for your followup question, probably an ERJ130 series could do it, perhaps a DoJet, or a CR4...40 seater.

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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 7:34 am

The FRJ is a jet that could certainly make it off a short runway.

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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 8:25 am

The ERJs are known for needing very long runways to operate. Maybe one of the smaller variants with payload restrictions, but higly unlikely.
 
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 8:39 am

ERJ's do indeed take up a lot of runway. I've seen them using up almost the entire runway at EWR before rotating. That was an extreme example, but they still take up a lot of runway on both takeoff and landing, almost as much as the larger jetliners.

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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 9:02 am

I was on a CRJ in 2002 (Delta Connection MCO-FLL-MCO), man - they went up like a rocket! The FRJ looks good for the BNN-OSL run, says it needs 1220 meters in they're webpage - that should be no problem. Perfect size to. Have anyone of you guys out there flown on it? How is it?

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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 9:15 am

The dojet is a quick climber even full. And it makes a really cool sound starting up. As for comfort, it had a wider seat width, but its still an rj.

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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 9:17 am

The Boeing 707 is the bird you need, that should do the trick.

If you can't get ur hands on one of them , how about a tu-154M

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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 9:30 am

I've heard that a 757-200 can takeoff in 5,000 ft or less, which was one of its selling points when introduced (half the runway of a fully-loaded 707 or something like that). I don't know what the 752 load factors are for the 5,000 ft claim, and it would probably be under extreme circumstances.

I'm not a 752 expert, and I may be totally wrong, but has anyone else heard that?
 
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 9:34 am

Lufthansa: I called John, he is going to let us use his 707 when he's not... The last TU-154 that was on it's way to BNN crashed before even seeing BNN...

The dojet sounds perfect, except Do means Bathroom in Norwegian... Big grin

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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 9:46 am

WF2BNN,


Things are great here in MCO. Also very cold in MKE where I am based out of. MKE seems to be growing quite rapidly and I would not think after too long it will be the great alternative to ORD. The FRJ has a 5000 fpm climb. Also the takeoff roll is really short for a regional jet.



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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 9:50 am

CRJ 200 is not for short fields! 5000 ft is pushing it.

the CRJ 700 can make it out of EYW but 4000 would still be VERY tight.
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 11:02 am

The 757 is consistently used into SNA, which is 5,700 ft... In fact, a significant portion of the movements there are 757s, as airlines try to put in as much flights through there as possible. Only been there once, but I flew in on an A319 and I saw a lot of 757s.
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 11:35 am

The 757 is consistently used into SNA, which is 5,700 ft...

...and that's for transcons.

Can do it with even less runway for a regional hop.
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 11:41 am

I think that the BBJ can operate with short runways....I know that at VNY that it lands only with 3 quearters of a runway left and is well stopped with 1/4 left. Also the BBJ could be used commercially.
 
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 11:42 am

Dont forget the A300 and A310 MEM-SNA. I know they are freighters, and probably lighter than if it was full of Pax, but, hey, its still nice performance.
 
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 12:26 pm

Also the BBJ could be used commercially

Its a 737-700...........
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 12:47 pm

A Saab 340 could as long as it's not full of fuel and pax
 
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 12:52 pm

I think that Tungd was thinking of the 727 when he mentioned the 5000 ft balanced field length. That was the original requirement for the 727 (-100) at La Guardia (stipulated by Eastern?).

Although I'm sure that the 752 is good at it too (judging by the powerful engines and the wing type).

The FRJ is probably most likely capable with the best payload.
 
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 1:33 pm

Actually, a 732 would be able to use a 3,900 x 98 foot runway. Hell, AS flies them off of UNPAVED runways of that length or maybe even less in Alaska.
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 1:37 pm

An MD-17 could land there.
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:02 pm

I think the only larger pure jet that can operate out of BNN's short runway safely year-round is the BAe 146/Avro RJ85 series. This is because this plane was design specifically to operate in short takeoff and landing (STOL) mode with its wing design.
 
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:44 pm

Also the BBJ could be used commercially

Its a 737-700...........


The BBJ and commercial 737-700 are very different aircraft. The BBJ is, in fact, closer to the 738 than the 73G. For example, the BBJ features a stonger wing, landing gear, uprated engines, body fuel tanks, ect.

...and that's for transcons. Can do it with even less runway for a regional hop.

Yeah pretty amazing. Given Boeing's "ideal" conditions, a 752 with a full passenger load can be airborne in as little as 4,800 ft. But that's assuming a chilly day, at sea-level, dry pavement, ect...  Big grin
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 4:05 pm

Alaska used to operate a 737-200 in and out of a 3800 foot strip until not too long ago. I forget the name of the place, but I want to say Dutch Harbor?

I have a friend who flies the 757-200 for NW.....
In his words, the 757 is a "HOTROD". Over powered almost, but thats what sets the 757 apart from other aircraft. Its closest competitor the A321 is nowhere as versatile as the 757, which is as at-home on a 1000 mile high frequency jaunt, or stretching it's legs transoceanic.

Yes, it was LaGuardia serving as the litmus test for the 727, as it was again later in the competition that produced the DC-10 and L-1011.

Monterey in California is short from what I can remember, I have flown in there many a decade ago on PSA 727s, UA 737-200s and an occassional 727, Hughes AirWest DC-9s and Fairchilds, plus Pacific Martins. It's gotta be no more than 6,000 feet.
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Fri Dec 24, 2004 11:52 pm

The newest The Bombardier Global Express can make it with payload restrictions, but I don't think that would be an economical choice to use as an RJ... It can be used to fly MIA-BNN nonstop as well, but it can only take off from BNN with a 2000nm range, so BNN-KEF-MIA would be possible.

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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Sat Dec 25, 2004 1:02 am

I remember that Eastern wanted the original 727 to be able to fly nonstop from LGA to MIA fully loaded off LGA's smallest runway, which if I'm not mistaken, in the early '60s was only 2,600 feet? Correct me if I'm wrong... but I know in the past LGA's runway configuration and length were much different.
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Sat Dec 25, 2004 2:46 am

Wondering if the 717 is a candidate for a short runway operation like this? Any info?
 
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Sat Dec 25, 2004 6:37 am

Didn't McDougalas think about creating the MD90-30T for shorter runways? Sorry if this is off the topic.
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Sat Dec 25, 2004 6:41 am

The 727-100 series was able to take off and land in under 3,000 feet. Early 737s had similar performance. Some of the smaller AB jets probably have similar performance. 727s are also favored for rough field operations since their engines are mounted high enough to keep most foreign objects from being kicked up into them.
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Sat Dec 25, 2004 6:46 am

The ERJ-135 is certified for ops to LCY, which is an extremely short runway.

The EMB 170 is supposed to feature excellent short field performance, as well.

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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Sat Dec 25, 2004 6:47 am

Wondering if the 717 is a candidate for a short runway operation like this? Any info?

The 717 with a typical passenger load and a 1,250-1,500 nm cruise would require about 5,500-6,000 feet in most conditions.

Didn't McDougalas think about creating the MD90-30T for shorter runways?

I thought the T designated Chinese-built MD-90s, but I might be wrong...

I remember that Eastern wanted the original 727 to be able to fly nonstop from LGA to MIA fully loaded off LGA's smallest runway, which if I'm not mistaken, in the early '60s was only 2,600 feet?

I dunno.... 2,600 feet is a very very short runway. Think of one and a half laps around a typical high school track... seems kinda far fetched if you ask me!
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Sat Dec 25, 2004 6:52 am

An-72 seems the right machine

extremely short landing / take off..
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RE: Jets That Can Operate On Short Runways

Sat Dec 25, 2004 9:59 am

The An-72? Looks like a great A/C https://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=39 But don't think it's got a future in Norway, I wish it would - but the age, fuel, and maintenance cost of this A/C would not be optimal for the Norwegian market. But thanks for the input - sounds like a great A/C, and I would love to fly it out of BNN.

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