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soaringadi
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Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 3:19 am

Hi ! If this has been discussed.... i'm very sorry and plz. go ahead and delete it.

I'm not thinking this seriously but just wanted to know who would be interested in buying a fractional ownership jet on this site ?

I mean if all the members would join in it wouldn't cost a considerable amount ?

Anyways this is just an idea and just wanted to know who would be in ?

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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 3:23 am

Soaringadi:

You may be able to spread the initial cost among many members, but I'm not too sure how many members can pay the added costs of the individual trips. For example, we took my boss' Flexjet on a short day-trip to Reno. The bill my boss paid for that trip for just the 2 of us was over $6,000. Don't get me wrong, it was nice, but $6,000 to Reno - I'm not sure.
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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 3:52 am

my question is: where'd it be based at?

btw what kind of 'jet' are we talking about here?

Soaringadi... very interesting & curious post.

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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 3:55 am

Also, it might be hard to determine which of the thousands of members gets to fly it on what day!  Nuts
 
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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 3:58 am

***"where'd it be based at?"***

I haven't thought about that, but could it be roaming ? since many will travel.

***"btw what kind of 'jet' are we talking about here?"***

Definately not a Boeing or an Airbus..... or else it will start a World War


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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 4:12 am

***"btw what kind of 'jet' are we talking about here?"***

Definately not a Boeing or an Airbus..... or else it will start a World War


yeah we should stick it with Tupolev  Big thumbs up

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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 4:36 am

Most importantly would it have PTV's?
 
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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 4:44 am

There is always that former ARAMCO DC-8 out there. Great condition and low hours on the CFM-56's.

I suggested this once and had no takers. It could be operated like a tour club aircraft as long as we had enough fliers to use it once a week or so to keep the cash flowing.

Are the number of active members with money to spend equal to the challenge?

It would be like buying a time share.
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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 4:57 am

***"Also, it might be hard to determine which of the thousands of members gets to fly it on what day!"***

This is kind of a different thing I'm talking about. It would operate somewhat like an airline but not exactly. heres how:


Suppose if there are 20 people wanting to fly from Sfo to someplace and the plane is scheduled to depart sfo on that day. So the plane would leave sfo and if it was going to Lhr, and if someone wanted to go to jfk, it would first land at jfk and then proceed to Lhr, and still if someone wanted to go to Cdg they would continue and this way the plane would continue doing a world tour. But on the other hand it would be way to luxurious better than 1st. class on airlines. It could be a huge plane, but would only carry 30 pax. max. And then to cover operational costs we could also transport cargo if possible.

The concept is more like carpooling rather than riding a bus or a train

I hope I could convey what I wanted to say pretty clearly.  Smile

So what do you guys think is that possible ?




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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 5:03 am

hhmmm... Very interesting post!...

count me on!!...
 
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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 5:03 am

From what you are describing it as how are you going to get the $50 million+ to start it up?
 
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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 5:04 am

Who are you going to pay to fly this plane? Who's going to service it? MX? Facilities and service equipment? Storage? Who's going to manage this plane? Jet fuel costs? Landing fees?

Sorry, but I think you're being a bit idealistic on this one.

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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 5:13 am

Interesting concept. Just for fun, I decided to see how it would work for say a BBJ. I visited the Boeing site at http://www.boeing.com/commercial/bbj/html/index_html.html and got the following numbers:

Cost of the aircraft: $40,000,000
Fixed maintenance costs per year: $1,000,000 (Excludes depreciation)
Operating costs: $1,800 per hour

There are roughly 14,000 registered a.netters. Let us say you get 10,000 of them to sign up. (Highly unlikely I know but so is this whole scenario  Smile/happy/getting dizzy)

Each will have to pay $4,000 upfront plus $100 a year in maintenance fees for a chance to use the aircraft for one day sometimes in the next 27 years and pay $1,800 an hour for the privilege!

For me, I would just save that money and get myself a first class ticket to somewhere really nice!!
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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 5:14 am

Suppose if there are 20 people wanting to fly from Sfo to someplace and the plane is scheduled to depart sfo on that day. So the plane would leave sfo and if it was going to Lhr, and if someone wanted to go to jfk, it would first land at jfk and then proceed to Lhr, and still if someone wanted to go to Cdg they would continue and this way the plane would continue doing a world tour. But on the other hand it would be way to luxurious better than 1st. class on airlines. It could be a huge plane, but would only carry 30 pax. max. And then to cover operational costs we could also transport cargo if possible

Are you forgetting something .... Maintenance  Smile How will that be planned.
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soaringadi
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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 5:22 am

First of all thanx a lot for the fugures of a bbj Yhmfan.

***"pay $1,800 an hour for the privilege!"***

say if on an average 5 people travel at the same time on that plane, then it would be $360 per person per leg. plus the cost of fuel.....


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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 6:00 am

ok, we can skip the costs for the pilots. i am sure everyone here would love to try flying the bird himself. (which would be fun to see, well, maybe a bit hazardous too).

but what about cabin crew? i mean we would need at least 10 real pretty girls. the plane, the pilots, thats all trifle! but the girls...

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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 6:03 am

Planes are not cheap to operate or keep.

How about taxes, nav fees etc.

Buy a nice F class ticket to where you want to go when you want to go. Throw in a club membership and you are still saving big $$$$

 
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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 4:45 pm

I suggest we pimp it out...

How about neon lights on the belly, spinner wheels, window tint, 10 12" X-plod woofers inside, and 1000 gallon tank for nitrous to use as afterburners? Hey, at least we don't have to buy strobes or exhaust or brembo calipers Big grin
 
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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 5:40 pm

777STL...... (post #11)

thats the convenience of being part of a fractional company....they take care of all of this. and therefore, its very idealistic

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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 5:56 pm

And would the Pilot be from A.NET?
 
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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 6:00 pm

LOL, a fun post! Better than the usual "7E7 vs. A380", "NW DC-9's", and "A vs. B" threads!

I suggest we pimp it out...

How about neon lights on the belly, spinner wheels, window tint, 10 12" X-plod woofers inside, and 1000 gallon tank for nitrous to use as afterburners? Hey, at least we don't have to buy strobes or exhaust or brembo calipers


I second that!  Big thumbs up

Who are you going to pay to fly this plane? Who's going to service it? MX? Facilities and service equipment? Storage? Who's going to manage this plane? Jet fuel costs? Landing fees?

Sorry, but I think you're being a bit idealistic on this one.


Come on guys no need to get all technical and pessimistic. Just have some fun with this thread.  Smile
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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 8:12 pm

***"And would the Pilot be from A.NET?"***

Hell yeah !!!

How about hiring pilots who need turbine time ???
Now wouldn't that be a ride ?

***"I suggest we pimp it ou"***

nice... but plz. don't lower the body.... and also don't put on a firm sport suspension or else we'll never land smoothly  Smile
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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 8:40 pm

I was able to land a Cessna 172 on a 15000ft runway in FS2002. I will opt as a pilot!







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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 9:50 pm

I could do the take off, but somebody else has to do the landing. (judging from my FS experience)

Who supplies the food?

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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 9:52 pm

We could get our own plane that is easy to get like a 767, and start a charter airline that only members of a.net can fly on.

The routing would be as follows:

LAX
JFK
LGW
CAI
DXB
BOM
SIN
HKG
SYD
AKL
STI
MEX
LAX

One plane in a continuous eastbound loop around the world. We play by non-rev rules. You get on wherever you can and stay on until you find your stop.
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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 10:48 pm

yeah thats what I was exactly saying Acfan.

and then we could get like a contract from the U.S. post office to transport mail, and could get some money back that way.

So considering the amount that airlines charge today for first class, we could charge each of the 10 pax on board only half the cost./hr. so a 10 hour flight would be about $4500 or something like that. But the bad thing is any member could travel only once in 6 months in order for everyone to get a chance in 1 year.

well I don't know..... it is kind of a very wild idea maybe possible someday ??
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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 11:05 pm

We could make it as sort of an investment, We all buy the plane, use it and as we are all using it we will transport mail, baggage and other small cargo and make a tidy sum. After we cover the operating costs with this, we could share out the earnings and get our money back and continue to make profit and then eventually start up our own airline and become millionaires...

Just a dream, but It would be great

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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 11:07 pm

why not let also other pax travel on our plane, and let them pay a good price, so we can get some good profit!
The newest HCC (High Cost Carrier) is born!
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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 11:13 pm

We could buy commercial planes and call ourselves after the Virtual Airline A.net airline> the webs favourate Airline< (taken from no real airline of coarse, no copying here...)

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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sat Jan 01, 2005 11:33 pm

"We could get our own plane that is easy to get like a 767, and start a charter airline that only members of a.net can fly on.

The routing would be as follows:

LAX
JFK
LGW
CAI
DXB
BOM
SIN
HKG
SYD
AKL
STI
MEX
LAX

One plane in a continuous eastbound loop around the world. We play by non-rev rules. You get on wherever you can and stay on until you find your stop."


----> ACAfan you forgot FRA or where I am supposed to jump on!?
 
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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sun Jan 02, 2005 1:15 am

why not let also other pax travel on our plane, and let them pay a good price, so we can get some good profit!
The newest HCC (High Cost Carrier) is born!
/robbert


I think you mean HFA (High Fare Carrier). We may overcharge but we've got to keep our costs down!  Nuts

We could buy commercial planes and call ourselves after the Virtual Airline A.net airline> the webs favourate Airline< (taken from no real airline of coarse, no copying here...)

Easyjet actually uses that slogan.

Anyway, count me in! (If I can afford it)

What if we start off with six or seven Learjets stationed at JFK, LHR, HKG, JNB, SYD, and SCL?
 
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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sun Jan 02, 2005 2:57 am

ACAfan you forgot FRA or where I am supposed to jump on!?

We can't stop everywhere. I chose LGW as the Europe stop. You'll have to get to LGW to catch the a.net plane. Shouldnt be a problem, European LCC are real cheap.

I myself live in RIC, a full day's vehicle drive from JFK. If I were snooty I would have made the plane stop in my own city. But I chose cities that would serve as major gathering places.

Because this forum is in English, I figured that of the Europeans on this website, more would be from the UK than any other.

Sorry if I offended anyone if I neglected your city or country  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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Sun Jan 02, 2005 3:32 am

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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sun Jan 02, 2005 4:16 am

What about having several smaller used aircraft and have them available for charter?

Wouldn't work but it'd be cool to see planes plying the skies painted navy blue with a bit A.Net on the tail...

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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sun Jan 02, 2005 4:24 am

I can't believe no one has mentioned this.

Pilots: I know there are many here on A.net

F/A's: Probably some aesthetically advantaged male and female F/A's here on A.net

MX: Same as the above.

And so on...

Now for those of us who have no aviation experience, well maybe we can do some cleaning or so.

It can all work on a volunteer system (Yes, like a communist/socialist system)

Oh and about the plane... when are NW's DC-9 retiring? We can surely get one of them cheap!

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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sun Jan 02, 2005 5:34 am

Oh and about the plane... when are NW's DC-9 retiring? We can surely get one of them cheap!

I'm not sure if we can all wait that long.

There are some old ex-AirTran DC-9s at OPF though, and a few ex-Air Liberte/Cubana De Aviacion DC-10s.
 
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RE: Airliners.net Fractional Ownership Plane?

Sun Jan 02, 2005 5:51 am

***"btw what kind of 'jet' are we talking about here?"***

Definately not a Boeing or an Airbus..... or else it will start a World War

yeah we should stick it with Tupolev "

Or we can just get one of UA's 744's from the desert, et rid of the god awful battleship grey, paint the a.net logo on, and voila...the 744 at the top of the website is now a reality!  Big thumbs up. I live in SLC, so, all I would have to do is hop down to LAX on F9 (routing through DEN of course) and there ya go. If someone can come up with a workable plan, I'll match with an investment.

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