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G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:12 am

Hey,

I whent to LHR on the 3rd January, And while going from Mrtlye Avenue to the Visitor Centre for a drink and a little Chocolate bar  Smile i saw G-BUSH round the hangars,

The Aircraft had no engines, something wrong with it wings, Looked like it had no flaps, was going in the car though so could not get any photo's, and only saw it there once, the other time i whent past never saw it  Smile But i think it was there still.

So i was wondering, what has happened to this Aircraft?


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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:21 am

Most probably in for a Check of some sort. Could have just come out, or just going in if engines have been removed.

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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:22 am

It could very well be in for a D-check or C check. How old is the plane again?
 
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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:23 am

Was probably a maintanence and logistic problem for the airline.. it probably flew around longer than it should have and eventually just almost caused BA to shutdown until they finally got smart, stopped listening to the loonies in the sanitarium, and just parked it out in some desolate, dangerous, isolated spot for it to rot and rust away... btw.. you didn't see G-BUSHJR did you? If so, just yank out the CPU in the cockpit so it can be like it's counterpart.. not that I'm bitter...


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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:24 am

Thought any major maintenance on the BA shorthaul fleet was done at Glasgow?
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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:26 am

I thought that, But don;t really know, i think some stuff is done at LHR,

I never saw G-BUSHRJ, no...Not sure what aircraft u mean if u mean another

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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:26 am

Some kind of check seems most likely. However, when are the older CFM-powered A320s going to leave the fleet? Any plans yet?


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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:32 am

Can they not replace the engines? Don't seem to sound dumb :P

I cannot find anything on BA's Fleet Website

http://www.avnclub.demon.co.uk/

And nothing on the G-INFO site to suggest it has been taken out of service,

http://www.caa.co.uk/srg/aircraft_register/ginfo/search.asp

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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:39 am

They're building up their Airbus fleet, not taking them out. Its in for maintenance, it happens all the time. I've seen anything up to B767's in there without and engine/s

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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:41 am

G-BUSH is one of the older Scairbuses in their fleet.
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Most probably maintenance, but could be the end of a lease or something?
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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:44 am

It is 58 years old.

Errr...

Well , I think its a case of an aircraft being sneaky towards a.net photographers  Smile/happy/getting dizzy .

Maybe you can have a look at other photography sites like myaviation.

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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:08 am

Its one of the older A320s that was part of a British Caledonian order when BA took them over. BA weren't able to cancel the order, if they were, we'd probably be flying domestic routes in 737NGs.

Only the original BCal A320-100s and 200s had CFM-56s. All the BA orders have been for IAE V2500 donks, something to do with Rolls-Royce IIRC.
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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:13 am

What's this 'Backing the Bid' title on the fuselage? Perhaps they were backing Bush's 2004 bid for the presidency?
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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:18 am

does anyone know what the line "backing the bid" refers to? and whats printed before that line?
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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:22 am

does anyone know what the line "backing the bid" refers to? and whats printed before that line?

To the London bit for the Olympic Summer Games 2012?

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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:24 am

It's refering to the London olympics bid.
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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:24 am

I believe 'backing the bid' refers to the London's bid to host the Olympics, but correct me if I'm wrong. The line sits just above the registration (G-BUSH Big grin)
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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:30 am

Here you go, look at the back of the plane


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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:31 am

However, at the Olympic Games 2012, G-BUSH will be out of service Big grin

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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:38 am

WAH64D: Its one of the older A320s that was part of a British Caledonian order when BA took them over. BA weren't able to cancel the order, if they were, we'd probably be flying domestic routes in 737NGs.

Sorry, but you're wrong.

The original order was fully delivered years before BA decided to order A320s on its own - there were no unfilled orders from BCAL left on Airbus' books.

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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:42 am

Sorry, but you're wrong.

Sorry, he's right.

The BCal A320s were never delivered to BCal - they were delivered to BA. When BA took over BCal they couldn't cancel the BCal A320 orders.

Though the idea that the BCal A320s persuaded BA to switch to A320s over 737s is wrong. Sweet financing probably won them over.
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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:51 am

777236ER, what I meant (and wrote) was that the original order for A320s by BCal was fully delivered years ago (the last one, is I recall correctly, was G-BUSK, delivered sometime around 1990) - and as far as I know, BA even ordered (or bought used) B737-Classics after these aircraft were delivered: hence, the original A320s have nothing to do with the fact that BA isn't flying B737NGs today... and that's what I meant with the "Sorry, but you're wrong".

Am I wrong in that assessment?

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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:55 am

No you're not wrong, but that's not what WAH64D meant.
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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:05 am

Ok, then I guess I misunderstood the line "BA weren't able to cancel the order, if they were, we'd probably be flying domestic routes in 737NGs"... thanks for clearing that up - sorry for the misunderstanding.

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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:06 am

Frank said:

777236ER, what I meant (and wrote) was that the original order for A320s by BCal was fully delivered years ago (the last one, is I recall correctly, was G-BUSK, delivered sometime around 1990) - and as far as I know, BA even ordered (or bought used) B737-Classics after these aircraft were delivered: hence, the original A320s have nothing to do with the fact that BA isn't flying B737NGs today... and that's what I meant with the "Sorry, but you're wrong".

Am I wrong in that assessment?


Yes Frank, I do believe you are wrong. You made no mention of B737s in your post claiming that I was wrong. The BCal order for A320s was a condition of the buy-out by BA. The original G-BUS* registered aircraft were all CFM engined and gave BA its first taste of "Electric Jet" experience. BA crew and beancounters love the aircraft. The combination of good dispatch rates and general satisfaction with these aircraft played a massive part in future shorthaul fleet procurement.

I firmly believe that had BA not procured the original A320s they would not have gone on to buy the IAE engined A320s, A319s and now A321s. While sweet financing may have played a part in all of this, is anybody really naive enough to believe that BA as a MAJOR Boeing customer would not have secured favourable finance terms on 737NGs when Ryanair who had been running a handful of B732Adv's did exactly that?

The 737 Classics were tried and tested, would they have changed to Airbus had it not been for the merger, I for one doubt it. That is why I believe that had it not been for the original A320s including G-BUSH, BA would have stuck with Boeing and gone for B737-700/800. Instead, the B752 is being slowly replaced by A321 and the B733/4/5 lives out its last days at Gatwick where it too will be replaced by A320 series aircraft.


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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:38 am

But didn't BA order 737-400s [b]after[/b] the BCal A320s had arrived?

If the quality of BCals A320s was so pervasive [b]10 years[/b] after their introduction that BA ordered more, why did they order 734s in the interim? Surely if the A320 was so good it should have encouraged BA to order more immediately?
 
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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:16 am

There is a photo of a BCal A320 in full British Caledonian livery. Though it never operated a revenue earning flight I dont think.
 
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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:51 am

Eg777er said:
But didn't BA order 737-400s [b]after[/b] the BCal A320s had arrived?

If the quality of BCals A320s was so pervasive [b]10 years[/b] after their introduction that BA ordered more, why did they order 734s in the interim? Surely if the A320 was so good it should have encouraged BA to order more immediately?


I'm not sure that BA did place any B734 orders after the delivery of the BCal airbuses. Give them a 1 year evaluation period on top of that and you're into 1991. Supposing they did order B734s after this period, my personal thoughts are below:

BA had always been a supporter of Boeing from the BOAC 707 days, whereas BCal had Lockheed and MD aircraft. I think it was the BA management adopting the "go with what you know" attitude as at the time the A320 fleet was very much a minority. I don't think BA had any intention of keeping the A320s for any length of time until they demonstrated their efficiency on the line and the beancounters started returning the figures demonstrating that it was clearly much cheaper to operate A320s than B734s.

The figures now speak for themselves. There are 33 B737 classics (300/400/500) in the fleet. Alongside this there are 33 A319s, 27 A320s and 6 A321s in the fleet. This does not include the 13 A320s and 6 A321s in service with subsidiary partners.

What I said in my original post was that the BCal ordered A320s clearly made a good impression at BA or they would certainly now have been ordering B737NGs and not A320s.
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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:57 am


"BA had always been a supporter of Boeing from the BOAC 707 days, whereas BCal had Lockheed and MD aircraft."

Small point, but I think you're confusing BCal with the later (post-takeover) Caledonian Airways  Smile/happy/getting dizzy which was actually the new name for British Airtours (and a sop to those who wanted to see the "golden lion preserved..." What a sham.)

The Lockheed Tristars all came to Caledonian from Brit. Airtours and BA, and were never with BCal. BCal itself actually had quite a spread of manufacturers in the fleet at various times: Vickers/BAC (One-Eleven, VC10); Boeing (707); Airbus (A310 before ordering A320s); and MD (DC-10, plus MD-11s on order when the airline disappeared into BA).

There's always some pedant like me who makes a big deal of a matterless detail, and helps the postings to drift seriously off-topic. My apologies to all. I'm off for a beer.
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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:32 pm

Don't suppose there is a UK registered aircraft with G-SPOT  Smile

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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:31 pm

I think the G-Bush in question is about 80 years old. Definitely time for retirement if you ask me!
 
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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:45 pm

Here is the your info for G-SPOT...

http://www.caa.co.uk/srg/aircraft_register/ginfo/search.asp

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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:17 pm

There's always some pedant like me who makes a big deal of a matterless detail, and helps the postings to drift seriously off-topic. My apologies to all. I'm off for a beer.

Those BCal Airbuses are also linked to one of the darker stories in British aviation history.

When Laker Airways was in trouble and trying to get McDonnell Douglas to refinance the DC10s, Sir Adam Thompson of BCal angrily wrote to Douglas stating that if they helped Laker out then he would "absolutely forbid any further negotiations for the MD-80".

Douglas did their part and Laker went under. BCal then decided to buy the Airbus A320 and not the MD-80, so Douglas lost out twice. The Thompson letter also showed up in the antitrust lawsuits against BCal, PanAm, TWA and BA.

A deeply unpleasant chapter. Those A320 aircraft also suffered from poor support in their early days. Dan-Air Gatwick engineering were aware of BA's troubles in obtaining spares for the aircraft quickly which bit into their availability quite badly when they were introduced at LGW. AOG events regularly became lengthy when an aircraft went tech.
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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:31 pm


A previous poster commented that G-BUSH will be out of service by the time the 2012 Olympics come round.

That may be true but the bid to win the right to host the games is decided in July this year, so hopefully the aircraft will still be around then!!
 
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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:54 pm

Didn't they have to ground G-BUSH because the airplane had an annoying habit of only turning to the right?  Big grin


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RE: G-BUSH?

Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:33 pm

ahah, I wouldn't be surprised 5T6. IIRC the plane wasn't very quick, either.
 
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RE: G-BUSH?

Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:15 am

"Didn't they have to ground G-BUSH because the airplane had an annoying habit of only turning to the right?"

- It's better then only turning to the left!!!  Smile
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RE: G-BUSH?

Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:59 am

G-BUSH is back in service, it was at Manchester operating the London Heathrow shuttle, so what ever it was out of service for, it obviously wasn't anything that would keep it out of service for a while.

Also wearing its 'Backing the Bid' titles at the rear

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RE: G-BUSH?

Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:38 am

http://www.london2012.com/en/support/corporate/premierpartners.htm

Here is the relevant part website for the Olympic Games bid.... 'Back The Bid' is the branding for our bid, and many places/ companies have sported this included in their role as premier partner, such as EDF Energy (Electricity Network Suppliers for London and S/E), British Airways, BT, Virgin Atlantic and Accenture.

It may also interest you that BAA are a Major Partner.

'Back the bid' can also be seen all over London, including plastered all over Stratford Station, which is the proposed gateway to the poropsed main Olympic sites.

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RE: G-BUSH?

Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:07 am

BA probably took the ex BCal A320's as they were there, were being built, BA had no trouble canceling the MD-11's BCal had ordered in 1987.

A bit of trivia now, another UK airline once ordered R/R powered MD-11's, this was fast rising charter carrier Air Europe, but this carrier, in it's original form, went tits up around 1990 so no R/R powered MD-11 was ever built.

I think it's true to say that BA were impressed by the A320, it was at the time a cuckoo in the nest and getting rid of them was mooted more than once in the early 1990's.

But, in 1989-91 BA had a series of issues with quality on some 737-436, 757-236 and 767-336 aircraft, this would indicate that BA ordered 737-436 around 1987, if memory serves me, I know that the issue of buying the ailing BCal was a bolt from the blue when it happened, the B737-436's were almost certainly already on order when BCal was brought out.

Heavy maintenance on 737 is at GLA, but not Airbus's.

BA had a long evaluation process in 1997/8 before going for the A319/A320/A321, I remember us being doubly pleased at the time, firstly supporting UK industry, secondly, we feared Boeing might do a similar deal to what GE did to get it's engines on the 777, but with Boeing buying BA Engineering as GE brought the Wales engine overhaul unit, at the time Boeing were looking into getting into maintenance in Europe, with the UK being specially mentioned.
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RE: G-BUSH?

Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:47 am

Hey

So G-BUSH is deffinetly back in service, That is good, Any photo's?

And what services is it operating?

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RE: G-BUSH?

Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:06 am

Can someone please explain to the uninformed why BA has a plane named after a U.S. President? Or is it just a huge coincidence?
 
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RE: G-BUSH?

Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:34 am

I think it's just a coincidence, there is no reason to suggest they would do it deliberately. Just like Lufthansa has a Avro-RJ-85 with the reg "D-AVRO".
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RE: G-BUSH?

Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:50 am

The initial fleet of A320s are all BUS*, as in Airbus. It just happens to go up to, and past, H (BUSA, BUSB, BUSC etc).

No way did having an oddball fleet of 10 A320s influence BA, except in the sense that it gave them firsthand experience with the aircraft and realised what a cashcow it is. This will happen with QF over the next 18 months, when the Jetstar fleet wins praise from punters and beancounters alike.
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RE: G-BUSH?

Sat Jan 15, 2005 6:46 am

They should call the next one G-WBUSH and make it very slow and prone to unintelligible noises.

[Edited 2005-01-14 22:47:38]
 
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RE: G-BUSH?

Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:02 am

Actually BA are quite intelligent with their regs.

New Airbuses - G-EU** - made in the E.U.
777s - G-ZZZ* looks like 7
777s - G-VII* roman for 7 is VII
777s - G-YMM* roman for 2000 is MM, so Year 2000, when they were delivered.
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RE: G-BUSH?

Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:10 am

Oh for God's sake NYCFlyer, just do some research on when G-BUSH came into service (i.e before the current GWB was first elected), the sequence of Airbus registrations in BA (oh, they have G-BUSG and G-BUSI as well, how about that...!) and just how likely it is that a Briish airline is likely to go out of its way to log a registration after the initials of a US President.

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RE: G-BUSH?

Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:19 pm

Deffinetly,

They would not miss out a letter just because it would spell George Bush (G-BUSH)

Anyways, Any photo's yet?

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RE: G-BUSH?

Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:24 pm

They should call the next one G-WBUSH and make it very slow and prone to unintelligible noises.

Or just G-WNKR  Innocent
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RE: G-BUSH?

Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:41 am

LOL Scbriml,

I whent to LHR on 16th, Never saw G-BUSH there,

So does anyone know what sort of routes it is doing at the moment?

Thanks Guy's

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