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yokohama1970
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HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:34 pm

Just a reminder to all HP Passengers on Flights 590 (PHX-MCI), 593 (MCI-PHX), 644 (PHX-ONT) & 643 (ONT-PHX). This will be the final routing for N189AW, our last 737-200. Make sure to look out the window in the boarding area. A lot of messages have been written on her. There are quite a few messages @ the aircraft's entrance (L1). Anyone seated near the engines, you should be able to read a few messages from your window seat. Have a most enjoyable Flight!

We will have a private AWA retirement party for N189AW on Thursday 1/20 @ our PHX Hangar. SIDA badges are required to be in that area.

Tom
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kc7mmi
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:48 pm

I plan to do the PHX-ONT-PHX flight Tuesday or Wednesday...and I'll be at the party on Thursday. I'll post pics of some of the signatures within the next few days.
-Benjamin
 
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:33 am

I can't say I'm sad to see them go. They're an embarrassment to the airline.

I'm more interested in new A320's HP should be receiving from Airbus. Does anyone know when they'll start arriving?
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flyboyaz
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:37 am

I wish I could go to the party but I have to work.

Byrdluvs I would certainly not call them an embarrassment. They're old and have served the airline well over the years.
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:06 am


Byrdluvs I would certainly not call them an embarrassment. They're old and have served the airline well over the years.


Yes, they are old and have served HP well in the past. However, the interior condition of the 732's is an embarrassment. If HP refurbed the interior then that would be a different story, but as we all know they didn't.

Now that HP is partnering with more intl carriers(BA,QF,VS,RJ), they need to make sure they put their best foot forward. It would be a shame for intl passengers to come away thinking that HP was a sub-par airline based on a 732 flight. Like they say, you only get one chance to make a first impression.
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kc7mmi
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:18 am

I'm more interested in new A320's HP should be receiving from Airbus. Does anyone know when they'll start arriving?
I'd much rather see HP get some 757-300's...and a new livery! Tho I must admit, the Scarebus is a much more ground-ops friendly aircraft.
 
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:38 am

America West's 56th A320 (N674AW) is supposed to arrive approx. Jan.28th.
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:18 am


I'd much rather see HP get some 757-300's...


Uhh. no.


...and a new livery!


I agree with you there. They need a more professional livery. Hopefully a new one will be designed in three to four years.


America West's 56th A320 (N674AW) is supposed to arrive approx. Jan.28th.


Where do you get that info? I knew there was supposed to be a delivery in Jan, but didn't know the exact date. This is good news for HP's fleet.
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:26 am

Maybe this time a 737-200 retirement will actually make the Today Show!  Laugh out loud

What is with all of the 737-200 retirements going on this week? I guess the time has come for this aircraft. Oh well, Delta still flies them!
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:34 am

>>>What is with all of the 737-200 retirements going on this week?

RVSM goes into effect on January 20th, and some operators didn't feel it cost-effective to spend money upgrading for that when the airframe itself didn't have much life (hours/cycles) left.

All of SWA's -200s have been retired, but 5 are still here being made ready for their retirement flights, probably to MHV. When they do eventually operate DAL-MHV or HOU-MHV, watch for them at FL280, underneath the RVSM airspace starting at FL290...
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flyboyaz
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:42 am

Well believe me the interiors and exteriors look a whole lot better now than when I started. At least they recovered the seats...at least in the 200's I saw (TUS hasn't seen an HP jet in LONG time). I remember when we'd get them in the old paint job that was peeling. One pax commented on how horrible it looked...hehe.
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:09 pm

Folks dont forget, FRONTIER'S last 737 flight is on April 10th. Not so sure what kid of ceremony we will have... Sad that when the 737-200's left nothign major was said or done.. THey looked horrible as well, a shame for Frontier...

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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:27 pm


...and a new livery!


I agree with you there. They need a more professional livery. Hopefully a new one will be designed in three to four years.


HP's isn't the worst livery I've ever seen but they could certainly use a new look... The question is why wait another three or four years to design the thing?

Doesn't it take something like 5+ years to cover an entire fleet with a new livery (assuming you repaint them when they were due to be repainted and not some radical overnight entire fleet thing)? If so, that means that new livery design in 2008/9 and new we wouldn't see a new livery on the entire fleet until the 2013/2014 ballpark?!? My God, I'll be old by then Big grin... And I think that's waiting just a little too long.

Lincoln

[Edited 2005-01-19 04:29:32]
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kc7mmi
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:14 pm

There are two liveries that I think are awesome and I think HP could learn from: the new NWA look, and the Miami Heat 727 paint job. Those are great looks...and if HP would do something as hot as those, I think even 737's would look great.

Byrdluvs747, why not some 757-300's? Sure they're big and it would take a little longer to upload and offload...but who cares?
 
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:33 pm

Here is a picture I found of the signatures:

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=298430

cheers,
Phil
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flyboyaz
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Thu Jan 20, 2005 3:00 am

757-300's would be an excellent idea. I know we are looking to purchase more 752's for ETOPS.

New livery? I like the one we have now...a modification will probably come in the next few years.
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kc7mmi
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Thu Jan 20, 2005 3:39 am

ETOPS? What's that?

New livery? I like the one we have now...a modification will probably come in the next few years.

I really don't care for it. It looks too "kiddish" or whatever. I like a sleek, profession paint job like what NWA has. Even if the current paint job is decent, we need something that makes us look high-class.

As for the interior of the 732, I thought it was in great shape, except for the signatures that people felt so inclined to write in first class! That's just wrong. Wait 'til it's outta service to do that, at least! I really thought the interior of the aircraft was no worse than our 733's...a little old fashioned maybe, but I thought it looked roomier (considering the seating arrangement, I think it is). And just FYI, my last 732 trip last night was very comfortable (thanks to the earplugs).
 
 
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:40 am


Nice pics KC7MMI! I'm kinda sad to see the old bird go.



 
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:26 am


Byrdluvs747, why not some 757-300's? Sure they're big and it would take a little longer to upload and offload...but who cares?


Ooops. My bad. I mistakenly read 737-300's.

Yes, I would love to see HP get some 753's. However, the 753 is in short supply as they were produced in limited numbers. I was hoping HP would get some of TZ's 753's but those bastards at CO grabbed 8 of them.


...the new NWA look...


I'll have to disagree there. That livery is just as bad as the all-white look. It didn't take much imagination to come up with that paint job.

Step1: Paint plane all silver

Step2: Paint "NWA" and logo once silver paint dries.


It looks too "kiddish" or whatever


I agree. The "America West" signage on the side of the plane is too big and the wrong color.

That being said, I do like the zig-zag lines on the back of the fuselage. It's probably the most original concept of any US based carrier.


As for the interior of the 732, I thought it was in great shape


If you looked carefully you'd see that the interior wall panels are often painted over instead of actually replaced. This always looked horrible. The interior plastic always had that yellowed look as well.
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futureatp
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:03 pm

Great pics!

I even remembered some of the names signed.
And the humorous comments on the plane brought back some memories too!

Farewell to the "dog!"

John


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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:19 am

RVSM goes into effect on January 20th,
What is RVSM? And did DL upgrade their 200's then?
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:34 am

Sorry, I have always loved the original AWA paint job and still do. It's one of the classiest out there. The current scheme looks like it was done by the people who design kid's cereal boxes.TC
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OPNLguy
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Sun Jan 23, 2005 2:33 am

>>>What is RVSM? And did DL upgrade their 200's then?

Reduced vertical separation, meaning that they now use 1,000 foot separation versus the former 2,000 foot separation at the upper levels.

If Delta's -200s are still flying, and above FL280, you can bet they're modified...
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:32 am

So, where did this aircraft will end?

Yesterday it flew away from PHX.

Does someone know?
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:20 am

OPNL...
so what modifications are required for RVSM?

Why is it that every thread has to turn into an argument about the paint on the planes? If you don't like it, send them a letter and tell them to change it. I personally think its fine. It announces boldly who they are, has a catchy logo on the tail, the A on the W.... and the wavy gray lines on the back and the green on the tail... break up the monotony of the plain colors, and also display some of their roots in the southwest....
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:38 am

Sad to see these old gals finally kick the bucket. I've been on more HP -200's than I have fingers to count on through the years. Many fond memories. Props to the person who emblazoned "At Least I'm Not An Airbus" on the nose fo the aircraft. Got a kick out of that. One more chapter for the venerable
-200 series has been closed. Now we only have DL to turn to for some pocket rocket action. Kind of ironic to see WN and HP retire their -200's practically at the same time. If you think about it, the 737-200 made it possible for these airlines to become what they are today.
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:21 am

Yall cant forget,

If it wasnt for these 737-200s, HP and F9 wouldnt have left the ground. These airplanes helped launch these airlines, and having worked at both airlines, I might not have liked working the planes, and am glad new ones are here, but my respect still goes to these planes.
 
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:04 am

Western

Don't forget that Southwest was born with the 737-2.... but that's a whole other retirement topic on its own...

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yokohama1970
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RE: HP N189AW Final Journey 1/19

Sun Jan 23, 2005 5:49 pm

Thank You Derek! Good Luck with the LA Dodgers

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