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Ferry Flight Fun

Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:51 am

I think that many of us have heard rumors of the various antics that take place on ferry flights. I once heard of a AA crew that was flying an empty MD-83 from JFK to DFW and rolled the plane. The story goes on and says they were busted when maintenance saw the blue toilet water all over the walls. I question if this really took place. But I am curious of other rumors that may be out there, or more importantly, any true stories that have happened. Does anyone have any stories, true or fiction?
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:56 am

I've heard a few stories about F/A's flying along the floor up and down the cabin on food trays while on take off a few times  Laugh out loud

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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Fri Feb 04, 2005 9:06 am

haha.. that some funny shiznit. :p. I don't think you really can roll a jet because of the wing design/structure/aerodynamics or something like that- not sure though. sorry- no stories over here. i'll ask around though  Smile
 
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Fri Feb 04, 2005 9:17 am

Sure you can roll a jet. Hven't you ever seen the story on the Discovery channel about the 707 that was rolled in front of a huge crowd in Seattle? Anything with a wing can be rolled.
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Fri Feb 04, 2005 9:20 am

While working for carrier "c" I had the opportunity to do some safety card skiing with a couple of flight attendants on takeoff. We stood on safety cards at the front of the a/c and slid down the aisle to the back on the takeoff roll. Of course I will never admit this incident ever happened or that any of the flight crew had any knowledge of its occurrence.  Smile It was however a ton of fun!
 
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Fri Feb 04, 2005 9:22 am

A friend of mine, who shall remain nameless, took a bunch (9 or 10) pilots from Caldwell to Lock Haven to pick up new planes there for ferry back to CDW and TEB. He was DC-3 type rated, the rest of us weren't. He rounded up a legal F/O and off we went. The drivers put the autopilot on, and began pretending to be busy with the old Goony. There were no seats in it, just benches along one side. When we reached altitude, all the passengers ran as a group from one end of the cabin to the other, driving the autopilot nuts as the trim tried to keep up with the changing load. The pilots thought the autopilot was going bad, so they disengaged it and promptly discovered the plane was oscillating pretty badly, so one turned around to holler at the rest of us, only to see all our butts running toward the tail. Instantly calculating the true source of the problem, he rolled it over in to about a 70 degree bank, throwing us against the benchless wall. We all ended up in a heap, laughing like idiots, 'cause we knew they found us out! Once they leveled out, and we untangled ourselves, my friend came aft, and looking me right in the eye, said, "Jeez, we apologize for the turbulence fellas, but looks like we're through the worst of it now".
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:12 am

The story goes on and says they were busted when maintenance saw the blue toilet water all over the walls.

Doesn't seem likely to me. If they had done an uncoordinated roll not only would the blue water spill, but fuel pickups would be uncovered, anything loose in the galley would spill, folded blankets and pillows would be disheveled, spares kit (if any) would be messed up, pilots brain box and any loose items in the cockpit would take flight, etc.... An airliner is not a Pitts.

Now he could have done a coordinated roll, maintained 1g, and nobody would have been any the wiser.
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:58 am

I once saw/heard two pilots as for clearance to 6,000 ft. on takeoff from CLE (normal is 3,000 ft.) They executed what amounted to a high-performance takeoff with an ERJ-145. It was only after they were airborne that they intimated to the tower about their zero passenger load.


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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:25 pm

The best I've ever seen is an empty 757 on takeoff. Pilots applied full power, and man did that thing rocket off!

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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:29 pm

Working at a small airport I saw plenty of business jets go out on empty legs performing high-performance takeoffs. A Beechjet can get up pretty high before it passes the threshold of our 5000 foot runway. The Legacies were always fun to watch too, those nearly always went out empty after maintinance and pulled the nose up really high.

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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:33 pm

The story goes on and says they were busted when maintenance saw the blue toilet water all over the walls Free wall paint (colouring)
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Fri Feb 04, 2005 9:15 pm

Let's see...

Aisle surfing
MAking tents out of blankets
Jumpseating for takeoff and landing
Blasting a CD player thru the aircraft audio systems
Movies
Pizza...

It all goes on up there on ferry flights.

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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:37 pm

Anything with a wing can be rolled.

Not really...if the airfoil of the wing isn't symmetrical, you're going to have a hard time maintaining your altitude. Acrobatic aircraft have symmetrical airfoils for that reason.
 
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:45 pm

I highly doubt that a MD-83 (or DC-9) can be rolled, if so you'd probably loose a couple of 1000 feet, ATC would notice, etc....

There must be some NW pilots around with a significant Big grin amount of hours on those birds who can explain...  Smile

Here's a nice take-off:
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Fri Feb 04, 2005 11:49 pm

Pilatusguy - please tell me that is a joke....
 
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:40 am

I have seen numerous "aisle surfing" using the small plastic serving trays.....let me tell you it is a rush when the throttles are too the fire wall, and you achieve 18 degrees + of bank on rotation......the inclosed photo is of an SY DC-10 leaving GYR following an extensive C/D check, which was also my first A/C to be a company rep for....and if you look close enough, the little white spot you see in JS1 is me, it is also my first jumpseat ride ever...on the flight others onboard "surfed" the aisles........Pizza served along with beverages.....and a good old "adult" themed movie on the inflight system!
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:49 am

Unfortunately ferry flights turn serious. The recent Pinnacle crash showed that not all is fun. The pilots were flying too high.
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:01 am

Skibum9...."Anything with a wing can be rolled."

LY4XELD........."Not really...if the airfoil of the wing isn't symmetrical, you're going to have a hard time maintaining your altitude. Acrobatic aircraft have symmetrical airfoils for that reason."

LY,
Really? If the roll is a "barrel roll", constant 1G or better, wing symmetry is irrelevant. And yes, a barrel roll uses some altitude.
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:15 am

Empty MD-11 Max Power Take off.....WOW.
 
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:43 am

Sometimes the FA's would all sit in F, and one of them had to serve them all pretzels and everything Laugh out loud
Riding carts, trays, etc down the aisles, popping in to the cockpit to drive pilots nuts, all sorts of fun stuff Big grin
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:57 am

Rolling the airplane can be deadly. I recall a GP Express (Nebraska) Beech 99 checkride that went awry when the pilots (2 Captains) decided to roll the airplane. They botched it, with fatal results.
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:10 am

Didn't LH loose a 707 when one of their crews tried to execute an identical barrel roll to the 707 or 720 rollout?

That footage of the A320 is genuine, looks damn fun.

As for my own experiances, I haven't had any yet but check back with me in 2 months once I get my F/A Wings  Big grin

Isle surfing sounds fun

Phil  Smile
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:24 am

I heared of a empty A320 beeing ferried, where the pilots pulled it up extremly high and then let it sink again real fast. An up and down where you experienced a little zero g as it was said.
The bad thing was. Suddenly both engines stalled somehow and shut down.
The RAT was then automatically deployed, forcing them to land somewhere to get it stowed. Wasnt easy for them to explain why this happend I guess :P

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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:43 am

Just empty 757 LGA-JFK...atc cleared him to 5,000, then almost immediately after takeoff says "can you level at 3?" - "uhh, we're passing 4..." ATC laughs.
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:09 am


Someone I know was on a delivery flight of a 747-400 from Boeing field to London where it was to immediately enter scheduled passenger service to continue it's journey to the airline's home base. There were a few engineers and cabin crew and some airline bigwigs on the flight. Since this was only the second 744 for the airline at the time (mid 90s), everyone clambered up the flight deck with the cockpit door open during takeoff. Perhaps not as much fun as the slides but still must have been exhilarating to stand in the flight deck and feel the nose wheel lift.

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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sat Feb 05, 2005 9:11 am

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the AA 777 captain that took his new toy on a fly-by of Spruce Creek (a small, private airfield) to show it off. I believe the ferry flight was to Miami. ATC cleared him to do so, but the management at AA didn't find the stunt so funny. I've seen pictures of it.

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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:20 am

ExSCA,

I think I know you... You worked in Stores, in MSP correct? I was a rover based in MSP and later at MCO.

Big Daddy ring a bell?

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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:08 pm

haha.. that some funny shiznit. :p. I don't think you really can roll a jet because of the wing design/structure/aerodynamics or something like that- not sure though. sorry- no stories over here. i'll ask around though

Geek, how about learning some real words, rather then "shiznit". Shows that 12-yr-olds should not be allowed online. BTW- I don't think your 12-yr-old boyfriends would have any stories. Wait till you're 30 and if you've grown out of the stage you are currently in, maybe you can carry on an intelligent conversation.


BTW- I HAVE Aislesurfed. fun  Big thumbs up

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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:08 pm

I've been on a couple of Ferries,The best one was to Drop off an Air Lingus Ex B732 from Mumbai to Dublin,Via Bahrain & Izmir.
This was leased to the Closed East West Airlines,which Aer lingus approached BD to Maintain,Certify & Ferry back the Five Aircraft to the Leasing Companies of Which Aer Lingus was one.
It was a Fun trip,With Two Pilots,One Navigator [upto Bahrain] & An AME  Smile
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:03 am

I lucked out on a MX ferry and got to ride jumpseat on a Fokker F-28 from MSO to PDX. For grins the pilots pulled a light parabola to mess with the FAs. The landing was a lot of fun since there were 25k (I think) crosswinds at PDX

A friend of mine had a pilot doing light rolls and he was running and jumping from the back of the a/c to the front in one bound.
 
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:35 am

Yes just about anything can be rolled. Including an MD80. Like somebody said, a perfectly executed barrel roll uses no more that 1g. Just like level flight. You'd certainly be an idiot to try it with your employers airplane, but there are many idiots out there.
 
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sun Feb 06, 2005 2:09 pm

YES! Back in 2000 we ferried a 752 MCO-ORD and three of us FA's watched the first officer figure out how to use the coffee maker without help. It was hilarious!

I think our pilots would likely starve or dry up without flight attendants there to help them! I trust our pilots with my life and I know they're totally capable up front... just useless in the galley! HA!

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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sun Feb 06, 2005 7:34 pm

AirDork12, here's proof that a plane CAN be rolled.. As proven by our favorite reject, Scottysair!



Was he the captain of that KamAir 732?? Who knows..

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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sun Feb 06, 2005 7:49 pm

Airlinelover,
good picture, terrible joke about the Kam Air. Watch your manners, our grief is no less than when Americans loose a plane.
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sun Feb 06, 2005 8:55 pm

Point taken. If I could edit it out, I would....

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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sun Feb 06, 2005 9:06 pm

Thanks for the reply
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Sun Feb 06, 2005 9:16 pm

Hi

A barrel role, if executed correctly is a 1G manover. So in theory pretty much any aircraft can be barrel rolled. Just like the 707 all those years ago.

Heres the technique, 1, pitch up (1st quarter of a loop) 2, stick to neutral 3, full left or right stick with a coresponding squeeze of rudder.

AND ROUND YOU GO.

A slow roll however does involve -ve G so I doubt you can execute one of those in an airliner.

Any other aeros pilots out there?

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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:45 am

Well, I feel sorry for Airbus A320-and-later-model pilots... Won't get more than 67deg banking!
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:55 am

Hey..on that photo, where's the shoulder harness?
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Mon Feb 07, 2005 6:07 am

yea that photo looks a little doctored.. or just really bad quality
 
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Mon Feb 07, 2005 6:12 am

"Was he the captain of that KamAir 732?? Who knows..."

i dont really know you, and im sure that you didn't mean any harm...

but there were pax on that flight that were known by my father, and i just think it's a bit early for jokes... sorry to be a party pooper..
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Mon Feb 07, 2005 6:18 am

The photo was indeed doctored. I wonder who did it?...  Big grin
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Mon Feb 07, 2005 9:29 am



That A319 video.....saw the same thing with a 767-300, just the other day. And it was a ferry flight as well.

Interesting to see such a large plane bob up & down as the pilot levels it off just 50 ft above the runway. I know the 767 has wings built like tanks, but it sure did look like those wings were straining!

I heard about the AA 777 event as well, apparently the ferry captain was fired, but since he was a few months away from retirement, they just made him retire early.

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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Mon Feb 07, 2005 9:33 am

Not really...if the airfoil of the wing isn't symmetrical, you're going to have a hard time maintaining your altitude. Acrobatic aircraft have symmetrical airfoils for that reason. ya- ok that's what i meant.

apparently i was wrong, okay! jeeze
 
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Mon Feb 07, 2005 9:41 am

I believe there is a NASA facility in Cleveland, that uses DC-9's to fly up as high and hard as possible, and then drop -- to teach zero gravity to people.

Obviously, I've never experienced zero gravity, but I do love the take off's of the dc-9's (especially the 10's) and the 757's -- I sleep through all the airbus takeoffs, except for Salt Lake City - that's a pretty exciting takeoff in a NWA Airbus -- all the way up, it looks like the mountains are higher -- finally, at the very end, of course, with all the Airbus engine whine, the mountains are cleared, but at any point, you can almost jump out and reach the hills
 
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Mon Feb 07, 2005 12:03 pm

In regards to Tex Johnston rolling the Dash 80 707 prototype, it was in Seattle over the annual hydrofoil races. Boeing CEO Bill Allen wanted to show his jet off to the world and asked Tex to do a flyby, but only a flyby. Tex says that he knew what the 707 was capable of and if it didn't fly, Boeing would be ruined, as they financed the plane out of their own pockets. He told his copilot that he wanted to show the world what the airplane could do and they would roll the plane. His copilot replied, "They're liable to fire you." Tex stated, "Possibly, but I don't think so." As the came in over the lake, Tex put the airplane into a roll, turned her around and came in and did another one, just so everyone knew they weren't dreaming. As he began the first roll, Bill Allen's mouth dropped. He nudged Larry Bell, CEO of Bell Aircraft, and asked if he could use some of Bell's heart pills, and was angered at Johnston's nerve to do something like that. Larry Bell laughed and said, "Bill, he just sold your airplane."

As Tex landed the Dash 80, he was called into Allen's office to explain himself. He entered the office and told Allen that the airplane was in a coordinated roll, the airplane held 1G at all times(which basically means you have have a cup of water sitting on the dashboard and it not spill) and never knew it was in a roll. He needed to explain the dynamics a little more to Allen. Bill Allen told him, "You know that, we NOW know that, don't do it again." Later that night, Tex was invited to Allen's house for dinner. As he entered, he was tackled by old friend and Eastern President Eddie Rickenbacker who told him something like, "You old scoundrel, why didn't tell me you were going to do that, I would have come with you; I wanted to be there!?"

Whether Bill Allen ever really forgave Tex for the roll or not is unknown.

But I maintain that anything with a wing can be rolled. A buddy of mine has rolled his Cessna 172 before, with me in it! Granted, you really have to work her to get her to keep decent altitude and you will lose a lot in the process, but it can be done. If you are in a bigger and faster airplane, its easier to sustain a coordinated roll.
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Mon Feb 07, 2005 1:34 pm

i wish i was in the industry imagine being able to do everything contrary to what you would tell passengers. sounds like great fun
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:26 am

Great story Otto!

While I've never rolled a plane, I have thought about it many times while doing lazy eights. I do know one guy who has rolled a C172 myself.
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:32 am

OTTO..the way I head it in Seattle about 10 years ago was...
after the roll, Tex got a call from HQ the next morning. "Mr. Allen would like to see you this morning Mr. Johnston", the caller said. A few hours later, Tex entered Mr. Allens office and the Boss said...."Hello Tex...hows the family?"...Tex, being very uneasy and figuring he as about to get fired, answered.."fine, sir...thank you for asking."
Mr Allen said.."I heard you rolled our airplane yesterday Tex.."..
Tex replyed meekly, "yes sir, I did" thinking here it comes....my pink slip direct from THE boss.
Mr Allen then said.." Don't do it again.........good-bye Tex...say hello to the wife.."
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RE: Ferry Flight Fun

Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:22 am

Isitsafenow,

I may have to check Tex Johnston's autobiography that I read last year, but you are correct in most of the story.

Except:

.."I heard you rolled our airplane yesterday Tex.."..


Bill Allen was at the hydroplane races and did see the roll. I remember that I found it hilarious that Larry Bell told Allen that his airplane just got sold.


Tex replyed meekly, "yes sir, I did" thinking here it comes....my pink slip direct from THE boss.

Tex said this part the exact same way in his book. But he did have to explain some part of the way he did it, because Allen did say, "You know that, we now know that, don't do it again." Tex said that besides that one time, he never recieved any negative comments from Bill Allen.




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