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Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:26 pm

Mr Leahy is in Tokyo and just spoke at a media conference about the sales outlook for the A350 this year. His main points:

50-60 orders by Paris Airshow
40-50 orders from China by year end
90-100 orders expected by end of 2005

Carriers he mentioned with an interest; ("advanced discussion")

Aer Lingus
Cathay Pacific
Qatar
Korean
ILFC
GECAS

Source: Dow Jones and Bloomberg

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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:30 pm

40-50 orders from China by year end

Don't bet on it.
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:36 pm

40-50 orders from China by year end

Don't bet on it.


I wouldn't be so sure if I were you - the Chinese have (almost) always ordered competing models, just look at the B737 and A320 fleets, as well as the widebody fleets: I'd be quite surprised to not see China ordering A350s.

Regarding the amounts, though, well, I guess that remains to be seen.

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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:51 pm

So will the headline read:

"China buys Chinese copy of Boeing 787."

Just checking.

Leahy still doesn't understand the Asian culture.
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:57 pm

I agree with Frank. China seems to buy few of everything and I would be surprised if the A350 were an exception.

Boeing7E7,

As much as I do not like reading Leahy's pugnacious remarks, he cleaned Boeing's clock in Asia last year. I do not think he has much a problem with Asian culture.
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:58 pm

I wouldn't be so sure if I were you - the Chinese have (almost) always ordered competing models, just look at the B737 and A320 fleets, as well as the widebody fleets: I'd be quite surprised to not see China ordering A350s.
He's right. If you check, the 5 A380 + A330 combined Chinese orders are about valued the same as the 787s ordered. Wont happen soon Unless China buys 60 more 787  Big grin. Its a 1-1 order, always has been
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:00 pm

As much as I do not like reading Leahy's pugnacious remarks, he cleaned Boeing's clock in Asia last year. I do not think he has much a problem with Asian culture.

And was that before or after he popped off?
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:01 pm

"Leahy still doesn't understand the Asian culture."

The Asian Culture?? Isn't there more than one culture in Asia?

I still think Airbus will be able to get orders from China, and other Asian countries  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:05 pm

Pride, Honor, Integrity... You dont' make fun of the Chinese without losing said respect. To get a sale, he will have to earn back the respect. Good luck in such short order.
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:10 pm

Pride, Honor, Integrity... You dont' make fun of the Chinese without losing said respect. To get a sale, he will have to earn back the respect. Good luck in such short order.

If selling 5 x A380 and 40 A330 series over the past couple of months is the performance of someone who lacks respect from the Chinese I very much doubt he's got much to repect to "earn" back.

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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:12 pm

I think Leahy's expectations are a bit too optimistic.

Boeing 7E7, great that it is just you who knows the "Asian culture". But , as Maersk wrote, there are different cultures in Asia.

And I highly doubt that China thinks European business partner don't have respect to Chinese partners... or have less respect than US partners.
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:17 pm

Boeing7E7, I think you were more insulted than the Chinese by that remark.
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:21 pm

Pride, Honor, Integrity... You dont' make fun of the Chinese without losing said respect.

Exactly what are you talking about? The Chinese copy comment?

He's sold a LOT of planes there since then.

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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:33 pm

I think Airbus will sell some A350s in China, though perhaps not by the end of the 2005 and perhaps not in the numbers that Leahy is boasting.
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:41 pm

Would be nice if somebody could tell me who this Mike Leahy is? By reading the replies I can guess he is some sort of executive at Airbus. Really, wouldn´t it be wiser to start a topic with the person´s name AND title? Big grin
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:46 pm

Something tells me Leahy is overshooting his numbers by a good amount. And Qatar, I thought they were in talks with Boeing for the 787?
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:50 pm

Something tells me Leahy is overshooting his numbers by a good amount. And Qatar, I thought they were in talks with Boeing for the 787?

Perhaps he's just following Boeing's lead?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

QR are in talks with both Airbus and Boeing. Just because an airline says it's considering the 787 doesn't mean they will order it. Given QR's current and on-order fleet, the A350 (assuming it meets their requirements) would be a better fit.
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:15 pm

Would be nice if somebody could tell me who this Mike Leahy is?

The bad .ss sales executive of A.

He has a talent of stirring up B groupies & selling aircraft. He always finds that open nerve .. Said Boeing was reinventing the A330 after the Sonic Cruiser etc...




 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:19 pm

Sure China will order A350s as they are now involved in this programm at 5% risk partner.Do not forget these planes will be delivered not before 6 years.
No surprise in the names cited by Leahy , except Cathay Pacific.I didn't know they were interested by this plane.Anyway it makes sense since they already operate 330s and have no interest in the 787.
Can we expect a CX deal for both 350 and 380 very soon ?
I am sure if Leahy speaks of all these airlines , he is confident in gaining orders from them , if not he would have never cited their names.
Also sure he knows some others who are discussing eventual 350 purchases.
Even if this market will be profitable for the 787 , it will have to share it , and 350 will sell also good.
Both will be successful.
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:34 pm

FCKC

Thank you for actually staying on topic. I too, agree. CX seems like a surprise to me as I always thought they were concentrating on their plans to aquire additional used 744s and that once that was done we'd see some sort of decision from them on the A346 or 773ER.

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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:55 pm

CX is reluctant to fly long haul over the ocean with twins. What routes would they use a long range twin on?

I don't expect them to order the 787 as specified, but if Boeing does offer the stretch EK is interested in, CX might go for that.
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:57 pm

Would be nice if somebody could tell me who this Mike Leahy is?

I don't know who Mike Leahy is, but there's a John Leahy who works for Airbus http://www.airbus.com/media/management.asp Big grin

What gets up most of the "Boeing Bigots" collective noses, is that he's an American  Smile
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:33 pm

So will the headline read:

"China buys Chinese copy of Boeing 787."


 Big thumbs up This is by far your best ever work. Love it. Seriously.
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:44 pm

Yeah, you wish you'd have come up with it.

P.S. Get your seat maps? 13 seats in F... Riiiiiggght...

[Edited 2005-02-09 12:45:27]
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:53 pm

Looking at the shortlist, Leahy's sales forecast seem to be very credible to me.

It would be virtually unimaginable for leasing firms like GECAS or ILFC not to order a significant amount of planes each of what is soon to be the new standard wide body long haul plane of the biggest plane manufacturer in the world.

Aer Lingus, well they publicly begged Airbus for something like the A350 because they want to order a plane equally economical like the B787, but made by Airbus.

Qatar is a widely mentioned customer from the start, no need to comment on their presence in this shortlist.

Cathay Pacific is indeed a big surprise to me too, but if Leahy explicitly names them, there must be something up in the air. Thinking about it: The Paris Airshow would be the ideal moment for a stunt: a combined A350/A380 order from CX. It would be in line with several predictions, i.e. cathay ordering the A380 only after it has flown, cathay going for the A350 (as seems to be the case) and isn't cathay a Chinese airline too??? so 40 orders from China before year's end would seem possible then, wouldn't it?

 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:58 pm

> isn't cathay a Chinese airline too

well , only in so far as its based in Hong Kong, but HK is not really usually considered a part of the PRC per se being a "special administrative region"
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:06 pm

LOL... you got love these folks at Airbus...

These are signs of deperation to tell the world hey we are still here... the A350 is still being offerred but only one taker... let's squash Boeing's recent aircraft orders...

"Airbus to the world... hello, anyone listening - we still got the A350?"

And all who listens are these armchair CEO's of Airliners.Net!

and SabenaPilot... I dont mean to single you out... But the A330 the new standard in widebodies? just a tad overreaching, eh??? (The new standard was achieved with the 777. The most capable widebody on the planet!) Airbus being the biggest plane manufacter will be temporary... it's a duopoly and every few year this will shift... so yes you got all your glory in recent years. But Boeing and Airbus are pretty much tied...

Also, these two reasons alone don't mean leasing companies will order... only their CUSTOMER'S demand does!

Aer Lingus, well they publicly begged Airbus for something like the A350 because they want to order a plane equally economical like the B787, but made by Airbus.

With the current A350 release configuration - it's impossible for A to beat B! If Aer Lingus is looking at the A350 it's for better pricing and it's smart business. At the end Aer Lingus may go for the A350 and it's for other factors and not because its 'equally economical' unless Airbus comes out with a new design. The 787 and A350 will never be equal from maintenance, list prices, weight, cargo, to fuel consumption...
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:19 pm

But the A330 the new standard in widebodies? just a tad overreaching, eh??? (The new standard was achieved with the 777. The most capable widebody on the planet!)

The new standard in widebodies was and still remains A300/310/330/340/350 2-4-2 cross-section. Even Boeing went with it in 7E7. And don't even bring out that poor 3-2-3 idea. Nobody will go for it. Notice the folks from Chicago don't promote it as aggressively anymore?
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:20 pm

Also, these two reasons alone don't mean leasing companies will order... only their CUSTOMER'S demand does!

Care to explain why the CEO of ILFC (Airbus largest customer) stated that his company would buy 20 Guess he was just floating the idea to please Leahy....Not meet the demands of his clients

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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:20 pm

Even Boeing went with it in 7E7.

787 comfort will be unmatched. Period.
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:22 pm

maybe CX just need something to replace their early A333s which will be 15 years old by the time the A350 is flying, their A343s won't be much younger either by then
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:24 pm

Maybe it's me not understanding "Asian" culture, but for me it would be way more insulting to get a new presidential plane delivered bugged, than to hear the Chinese copy remark. But it's probably just me, or how does the grandmaster of Asian culture explain that they're still ordering Boeings?

[Edited 2005-02-09 15:25:54]
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:25 pm

Hey, DC-10... I didn't say that they wouldn't buy it! Leasing companies buy what their customers want... and not how wonderful Airbus is...
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:27 pm

787 comfort will be unmatched. Period

Feels good to have your head stuck in Boeings corporate asses, doesn't it? Maybe that's the kind of comfort you are refering to.

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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:37 pm

1. Better cabin comfort from higher humidity
2. 32" pitch with a seat design that yields equivalent 33" pitch.
3. Higher cabin pressure, better comfort.
4. 9" wider cabin than the 330 (217" vs. 208").

How's it feel up there? You know... In the Airbanus.

Maybe it's me not understanding "Asian" culture, but for me it would be way more insulting to get a new presidential plane delivered bugged, than to hear the Chinese copy remark. But it's probably just me, or how does the grandmaster of Asian culture explain that they're still ordering Boeings?

A little different, and it wasn't Boeing that did it:

In contrast to the reaction in April 2001 when a U.S. spy plane collided with a Chinese jet, the Chinese have "barely made a peep after a new ... set of espionage revelations...: President Jiang Zemin's newly delivered Boeing 767 had been surreptitiously loaded with dozens of listening devices while its interior was being outfitted last year in San Antonio....

"There are many pragmatic reasons for such a change, from China's hope that a more conciliatory tone would help promote its views on the divisive issue of Taiwan, to its desire to avoid the distraction of international crises as it is prepares to host the Olympics in 2008 and to meet obligations as a new member of World Trade Organization."

 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:39 pm

BoeingBus

Nowhere do I state a preference for either Airbus or Boeing. I am merely pointing out that one leasing companies customers are telling them what they want, to the point where the leasing company seemingly will buy it. Go fly your corporate flag in another thread.

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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:43 pm

Dazeflight - if that is all you can come up with... than your admitting that the 787 will have unmatched comfort?

I personally believe... if Boeing lives up to its promises of hgher humidity.... and that feature alone, will make this unmatched. if you have ever flown beyond a 10 hour flight you'll know what I mean by comfort.

here is a snipet from the Boeing website and the A350 can't do this ever because its not all composite:

The Dreamliner will provide higher humidity levels in the cabin to avoid dehydration and a more comfortable cabin pressure to give you the feeling of being at sea level while at cruising altitude. State-of-the-art acoustics, innovative lighting, constant internet connectivity, wider seats and aisles, bigger overhead bins, and bigger windows are just the beginning in the efforts we are taking to make the Dreamliner a new sensation for our passengers.
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:55 pm

Boeingbus,
Completely agree with you!

I think that Airbus and Leahy are very, nervous about all the success that the 787 has been having and they're trying to steal the thunder for PR purposes. Can't blame them as it is their job, but will it translate to sales? Highly doubtful, the salesforce sells the plane but you have to be able to have a worthy competitor and the A350 is certainly not up to snuff vs. the 787 in many categories that have already been listed on this forum. They're going to have a very tough time selling this plane and I don't think they're going to have close to 50 orders by Paris in June.
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:57 pm

Boeingbus....

I take it you have problems with sentences longer than 10 words, because from my not too long reply, you quote wrong twice!

The things you got wrong from my post:

...the A350 is going to be the new standard widebody longhaul plane of the biggest plane manufacturer in the world...
Indeed, the A330 currently is Airbus' standard longhaul twin and the A350 is succeeding it... so what's your point exactly????

...Aer Lingus publicly begged Airbus for something like the A350 because they want to order a plane equally economical like the B787, made by Airbus...
Where did I say the A350 is going to be lighter, faster or less thirsty then the 787? it simply means the A350 will have similar operating cost per seat mile then the 787 for the airlines operating it! The 787 might indeed be lighter, consume less fuel or have a few other technological features which are all very nice from an engineering point of view, but in the end what counts for an airline is the OPERATING COST of their fleet in day to day operations; whether it is made from plastic or metal doesn't matter to them. From the data Airbus released on their proposed A350, their plane will undercut the operating costs of the 787 by quite a few percent points (although mainly thanks to its slightly larger seating capacity).

Also, sorry to disappoint you once more, but although leasing firms obviously finance sales of specific planes on request of airlines, both ILFC and GECAS order planes which have not yet been placed with airlines as well to anticipate and be ready to act quicky when immediate market requests occur.

Anyway, I see you have finally found some comfort in the universal philosophical idea that all things are temporary and nothing ever lasts forever. Good for you....
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:04 am

Chinese airline too??? so 40 orders from China before year's end would seem possible then, wouldn't it?

First of all, Cathay is part of the Swire Group and HAS NO DIRECT links with the mainland gov't. Thus, no "40 orders from China" would include CX.

they already operate 330s and have no interest in the 787.

That is a major slap in CX's face for you to say that...

If selling 5 x A380 and 40 A330 series over the past couple of months is the performance of someone who lacks respect from the Chinese I very much doubt he's got much to repect to "earn" back.

True. This Chinese Copy thing is NOTHING compared to the Arms Embargo. No respect was ever gained or lost. Fact is, unless France is an obstacle to Chinese policy, There will be Airbus in China. Now if Europe reinforced the embargo, then China will attempt to teach 'them' a lesson. Politics is great, isn't it?
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:11 am

Where did I say the A350 is going to be lighter, faster or less thirsty then the 787? it simply means the A350 will have similar operating cost per seat mile then the 787 for the airlines operating it! The 787 might indeed be lighter, consume less fuel or have a few other technological features which are all very nice from an engineering point of view, but in the end what counts for an airline is the OPERATING COST of their fleet in day to day operations; whether it is made from plastic or metal doesn't matter to them. From the data Airbus released on their proposed A350, their plane will undercut the operating costs of the 787 by quite a few percent points (although mainly thanks to its slightly larger seating capacity).

On a similar seat capacity basis, provided Boeing lives up to its promises, it will be very hard for the A350 to match the 787. Yes the /ASM cost may be lower if you cram many more seats in the a/c. However, the a/c will be heavier, potentially less aerodynamically efficient. This means that fuel burn will be higher. Since fuel is a significant % cost for an airline airbus would have to make up for the loss in other places. Crew costs will not be substantially different, the common cockpit philosophy lends to some savings in smaller fleets that also operate other Airbus a/c but not a significant as a lot of people put on. The next major place to save money is maintenance cost, which is a big are of uncertainty for the 787. However, since the single largest structural maintenance cost for modern jetliners is corrosion the composites will save a huge amount here. The fact of the matter is that some 787s are geared toward markets where the A350 cannot close a business case (787-3). This alone stands to provide a substantial sales delta. Just look at what happened when Boeing built an a/c that was too big for a market segment and a competitor stepped in.
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:15 am

Is higher humidity really such an important selling point for the 787?

And what exactly are the 'huge' advantages of higher humidity according to Boeing's PR department? Less dehydration and fatigue?

I can easy see a equally 'huge' disadvantage to that too!
At equal cabin temperatures, higher cabin humidity will cause passengers to sweat more, so you can imagine the smell on board a 'humid plane' packed with pax after a longhaul flight. Or will the 787 have lower cabin temperatures? Very comfortable indeed...  Nuts

(all ment ironic BRW, just to prove how irelevant this feature is)

BTW, this is a topic on the A350 if you haven't noticed yet, so if you have anything to say about the 787, why don't you start a topic of your own?
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:22 am

Boeing is known for shooting themselves for making exaggerated sales targets (200 787's by 12/31/04.....) Have they got there yet????....

The 90-100 units by year end seems like a reachable target....Airbus is going to go after A330 customers, and there alot of them....

Both AI and AC are thought to make large orders (40-50)...I Imagine the 350
will be part of the mix...

As for the Chinese being insulted....I can't imagine them being insulted and
at the same time order 5 380's and 40 330's..

And has been emphasized by many here...ASIA is not a homogeneous continent.. It's more diverse the Europe and much much much more diverse then North America.

 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:23 am

At equal cabin temperatures, higher cabin humidity will cause passengers to sweat more, so you can imagine the smell on board a 'humid plane' packed with pax after a longhaul flight.

They're not going to pump up the humidity to make it like a tropical rain forest on the 787.

60% humidity is a lot better than 0% humidity.

BTW, this is a topic on the A350 if you haven't noticed yet, so if you have anything to say about the 787, why don't you start a topic of your own?

That is a very childish response. I thought this is supposed to be a forum where we can express opinions. Because you don't happen to like a response to a particular topic gives you no right to tell people they can't post here, especially when the response is relevant to the topic being discussed (in this case the 787 vs. A350)
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:27 am

I have problems with you insulting me w/ your cheap remarks about my point of view. I don't hold grudges and maybe English is your second language so I'll give you that excuse for your lame post... I must say this though... you wrote

"equally economical like the B787"?

Using the term 'equal' means the following:

"Having the same quantity, measure, or value as another."

and if you don't believe me... here is the link:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=equal

I know English may be confusing for some... my parents had a tough time but they knew what "equally" means though... Would it have to do anything with Belgian culture... do you guys have equal? like 2 x 2 equal 4? Nah, I've been there and I THINK IT"S you...

Maybe you should have used another word other than Equally like... just as economical... or nearly, or virtually, a nice phrase would be "more or less"

at that level I would agree with you... so please explain yourself in more than 10 words and you won't get critiqued nor look like an ass here...

Also, sorry to disappoint you once more, but although leasing firms obviously finance sales of specific planes on request of airlines, both ILFC and GECAS order planes which have not yet been placed with airlines as well to anticipate and be ready to act quicky when immediate market requests occur.

BINGO - market response or the customer dictates the orders and not the plane itself or the manufacture's size... geesh... I was worried for little Embraer we agree on that now too... no disappointment here.
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:44 am

One hurdle Airbus has to get over regarding A350 sales to leasing companies is the residual value question.

If the A350 delivers on the promise of improved economics and performance to even get close to the 787, it will have the effect of decreasing the residual value of A330's out in the fleet. And since leasing companies ( ILFC, GECAS, CIT, etc...) are heavily vested in the A330 (60% of the aircraft were sold to leasing companies) - they are not eager to see that residual value destroyed.

The only way to overcome this is if Airbus is willing to step up (or maybe they already have!!) with a residual value guarantee. That is if a lessor sells the airplane in 7-8 years and only gets $15M for it and the residual value built into the lease was $25M, then Airbus can cover the difference and the leasing company should be happy.

Problem is, that's a lot of money to pay given how many airplanes were sold to lessors !!

Will be interesting to see how it plays out !!

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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:54 am

PEOPLE

CALM DOWN. DAM. LETS GET BACK TO THE SUBJECT.

Will Airbus deliver with 90-100 orders by year end?

WHO KNOWS, all you guys are saying yes no etc etc blah blah blah...

Golly don't you guys get sick and tired of putting other products down.

Why don't we just all relax and take a wait and see approach if both companies will deliver on their products.

NOW, 90-100 frames IN MY OPINION (I CARE F-ING LESS ABOUT if the B787 or A350 which one is better) is attainable. QR alone was looking for 40-60 frames I think. I would also assume that EK would be just as interested.

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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:02 am

Mr. Leahy is in Tokyo? Wow, he's really trying. I wish him luck. 90-100 A350 orders by year's end? Again, I wish him luck. He will most definitely need it.


Would be nice if somebody could tell me who this Mike Leahy is?

I don't know who Mike Leahy is, but there's a John Leahy who works for Airbus http://www.airbus.com/media/management.asp

What gets up most of the "Boeing Bigots" collective noses, is that he's an American


Haha, America rescues Europe again. How cute.  Smile
 
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:27 am

The Dreamliner will provide higher humidity levels in the cabin to avoid dehydration and a more comfortable cabin pressure to give you the feeling of being at sea level while at cruising altitude. State-of-the-art acoustics, innovative lighting, constant internet connectivity, wider seats and aisles, bigger overhead bins, and bigger windows are just the beginning in the efforts we are taking to make the Dreamliner a new sensation for our passengers.

Blah blah blah... sounds like PR to me. Won't believe it until I see it.

Hope they improve the IFE at least, most 767s I was on still had the 3-light projection screen. So 70s.

State-of-the-art acoustics??? For what, to hear the engines better? To hear people talking better? What the hell is that supposed to mean?
If you mean quieter, that's acoustic dampning.
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RE: Leahy: Sales Outlook For A350

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:35 am

Back to the topic.

An important point in my mind is that Airbus feels much less pressure for selling lots of A350s in a very short time than Boeing does for the 787. It' an upgrade of the A330 and they have a solid customer base. They have no need to buy market share, i.e. selling A350s below production costs. For the 787, I highly doubt if they are all sold above production costs.

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