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Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:13 am

In the history of airframes, was there ever one that went without a fatal crash? I think the 743 might be up there but I'm not sure. Thanks Guys!
 
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:16 am

777 no fatal crash yet
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:18 am

Hey! I know for a fact that the 777 has not had any fatal crashes at all but I am sure that there are a few more aircraft that have not had any crashes.
 
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:22 am

B764....awesome aircraft and perfectly clean record.......
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:23 am

Does this count flight testing? I know there are a few airframes that had fatal crashes during testing and havent had one in service.
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:31 am

Fokker 70 has not had a fatal crash yet
 
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:33 am

I forgot to add....A318-319-321
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:38 am

Add 747SP's to that list....though N4522V had a close call..
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:39 am

>I forgot to add....A318-319-321<

Well, if that is the case, you can add the all the 737NGs. I think it is generally the norm to go by aircraft type, and not sub-series
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:43 am

I don't think any ERJ's has had fatal any accidents. They had runway over runs, but no fatalities AFAIK.

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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:58 am

BTW, the 743 is certainly not on the list! It has had one crash killing 228 onboard, KE Guam 1997
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:58 am

I forgot to add....A318-319-321

The A319 and A321 have had accidents in flight that were written off, though none have been fatal.


The 737NG have had no write-offs, no fatal accidents

The 777 have had no write-offs, no fatal accidents

A few A330/A340 have been lost in non-fatal accidents through no fault but ground handlers.
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:07 am

>A few A330/A340 have been lost in non-fatal accidents through no fault but ground handlers.<

That is, unfortunately not true. An A330 was lost in flight testing with all 7 on board killed.

And CORULEZ05, your colorful language aside, the A318, 319 and 321 are all part of the A320 family, and the A320 has had a few fatal accidents. The same with the 737 family, while the 737NG has not had a writeoff yet, there have been 737Classic fatal crashes
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:10 am

Why dont you get on NSFguy's case for mentioning the 743 which is part of the 747 family and well there have been many fatal crashes with the -100 and -400......answer that for me please....and excuse my language.
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:16 am

The E-190 and 170 have a clean record do they not?
 
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:17 am

How about that little jet, the Fairchild 328J?
Has that had a hull loss yet?
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:20 am

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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:21 am

>Why dont you get on NSFguy's case for mentioning the 743 which is part of the 747 family and well there have been many fatal crashes with the -100 and -400......answer that for me please....and excuse my language.<

I was not on your case, just trying to help. I did not think about the 743 thing, and I was commenting on the overall use of sub-types here.
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:24 am

I dont think nsfguy was just referring to aircraft families....I mean, in that case....there are none that have an accident free record.......for example, A320 has had accidents but not the 319, 318,or 321. 762 and 763 have had fatal crashes but not the 764 so that would leave the 767 out, the only true left out would be the 777....
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:39 am

I don't think the 717 has had any crash, the EMB-170 hasn't either (I think)
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:40 am

I can't remember an A330 or A340 had a fatal crash, either the 777
oh yes and the A380  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:43 am

as far as i know the IL-96 is

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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:51 pm

Don't forget the DC5  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:07 am

The E-190 and 170 have a clean record do they not

The Embraer 190 is not flying with any airline or is it certified yet, the Embraer 170 is just over a year old...so I would say NO. The A380 has not even left the ground yet....!!!!!!

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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:09 am

There have been one hull loss for both the A319 and the A321. The A319 was a ground handling accident and essentially could have happened to any airliner, the A321 hit a service vehicle I think and suffered damage.
 
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:16 am

Concorde, until she crashed.
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:50 am

Concorde, until she crashed.

I think you missed the point. Double-check the topic.

But since you brought it up, most of the airliners in service today HAVE had fatal crashes, and are still in service. Concorde is not. Neither is the DeHavilland Comet, which was also operated by BA's predecessor, BOAC.
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:36 am

Breguet-763, amazing plane. Without fatal, add SAAB-2000.



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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:01 am

Bri2K1, my point was, that BEFORE Concorde crashed, it was THE airliner without crashes, even since the 70s. On the other hand there was only a small bunch of them, so the probability was lower.
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:11 am

I see what Birdwatching is saying. Before it crashed, it was the airliner hyped by everyone as the airplane with a great record, and no crashes. Boy did that change.

oh yes and the A380

Kind of hard for a plane to crash if it hasn't flown yet.  Big grin

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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:45 am

How about the Dassault Mercure.

I'm rather sure that aircraft had no crashes and certainly no fatal ones.



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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:57 am

>I can't remember an A330 or A340 had a fatal crash<

The A340 had a fatal crash in flight testing
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:15 am

Apart from 9/11 was there any fatal crashes involving the 767-200ER? One of the safest aircraft ever built.

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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:16 am

Yes. The 777 has not had one fatal accident yet. The L-1011 was nearly crashless too. The newer generation airliners like the 737NGs, the 777, and the A340 have not had one fatal accident yet.
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:26 am

The A340 had a fatal crash in flight testing

A330 actually.
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:35 am

>The A340 had a fatal crash in flight testing

A330 actually.<

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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:45 am

I think we should all knock on wood for this! I have with each reply I read.
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:00 am

That is, unfortunately not true. An A330 was lost in flight testing with all 7 on board killed
Which was due to pilot error reasons, and not airframe reasons. It was during engine certification of new engines.
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:13 am


Actually the B763 has had a couple of noteworthy crashes.
The Lauda Air plane that had the thrust reverser deploy in flight
and the Egyptair plane out of JFK as well as the hijacked
Ethiopian that crashed near the beach in the Indian Ocean
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:18 am

The L-1011 was nearly crashless too.

Nearly...I guess 3 of these 5 aren't crashes...

Saudi Arabian Airlines, Riyadh, Fire after takeoff, successful emergency landing but all died from smoke, 8/19/80, 301 dead

Saudi Arabian Airlines, over Arabian Gulf , tire explosion/decompression, 8/19/80, 2 dead

Delta 8/2/85, Dallas, Wind shear, 137 dead

Eastern 12/29/72, Florida Everglades, pilot error from confusion over faulty landing gear indicator, 100 dead

Air Lanka 5/3/86, Colombo Sri Lanka, bomb, 16 dead

 
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:24 am

I can remember a landing or two I made on the 767-200 that fely like a crash. We called it the Dump Truck since it handled like a dump truck.
 
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:29 am

That Dassault bird looks like a hybrid A320/737  Big grin
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:10 am

If you looking for airline records,Southwest never last a life in accident.
 
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:21 am

Well if it wasn't for the monumental cock-up between the SQ flight crew and the Taipei tower the 747-400 would have been crashless. As it is the 744 has never had a 'proper' crash - i.e. loss of pax whilst actually having left the ground.
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:26 am

This thread keeps reoccuring - but that's ok with me.

https://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1708621/

I think the relevance of saying "this airliner had no fatal crashes" is very limited. Imagine one type of plane being involved in bom attacks only, is it unsafe? No, it is just unfortunate - just like all people on board.

What matters are crashes that are really related to design flaws or type-related maintenance issues, or anything else that can somehow be attributed to the type of the plane. Such incidents are usually rare, they form a minority of the total number of crashes.

There was a thread comparing the safety of DC10/MD11/L1011, and it matters to distinguish between accident causes - even if accidents are often caused by a chain of events. I made a comparison between the three types, see:

https://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1726082/6/

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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:04 am

I am not saying the A will crash, I feel that it will be a safe plane. Just as safe as the 777. But if you did crash can you imagine the media circus surrounding it?

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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:28 am

Overall, as aircraft get newer, I would expect catastrophic disasters to get rarer. Typically, the newer the jet version, the lower the hull loss rate is.
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:42 am

. Typically, the newer the jet version, the lower the hull loss rate is.
I read once in a book that the newer the aircraft the more crashes then it levels off when pilots and the design faults are fixed up.
But adding to that the way pilots and ground crew handle themselves is second to none and that is why we have such a good reoord of late.
I hope it stays that way.
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:50 am

>I can't remember an A330 or A340 had a fatal crash<

The A340 had a fatal crash in flight testing

really?

i thought that was the A320
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RE: Was There Ever A Crashless Airliner?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:43 am

The A320 has had plenty of crashes, and I've even seen one...the IA A320 that crashed in Bangalore. It was horrible.

The 737NG, 777 haven't had any crashes...lets hope they stay that way.
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