DL 119 diversion on Feb 17, 2005

kian · Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:46 am

Does anyone know why DL 119 was diverted to SNN today?

dl757md · Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:56 am

Nbr 2 engine in flight shutdown.

kian · Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:04 am

but delta.com and fltecomm.com show different info. about the flight!

kian · Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:25 am

What is wrong with DL 763s...too many things happening suddenly with them (Smoke in the Cabin the other day....now, engine shutdown!)...I am taking one to BOM next week and I am really worried about this....

Also, how come I never hear about engine shut downs on Airbus fleet (330 and 340)...Boeing/MD fleet issues are all over the A.Net...

DAL767400ER · Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:41 am

Quoting Kian (reply 3):
What is wrong with DL 763s...too many things happening suddenly with them (Smoke in the Cabin the other day....now, engine shutdown!)...I am taking one to BOM next week and I am really worried about this....

BS. This is pure coincidence, just like during the last major winterstorm you had planes sliding over the runway on many occasions. There's nothing to worry about at all.

Quoting Kian (reply 3):
Also, how come I never hear about engine shut downs on Airbus fleet (330 and 340)...Boeing/MD fleet issues are all over the A.Net...

Because for Airbus planes it's all or nothing, meaning they have to lose all engines to make the news. Just ask Air Transat Big grin

. (Note: This is a joke that is not intended to start a flamewar)

JFKviaPHX · Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:34 am

DL 30 came back to JFK yesterday with engine trouble. It went back to SVO an hour or so later. No fuel dumping was required.

kian · Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:05 am

What is it with JFK and NY....Swiss 111, American Airlines Flight to Dominican Republic, Air France Concorde to JFK, Egypt Air 990, TWA 800, AA 11, UA175....

ASTROJET707 · Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:56 am

AA11 was part of BOS-LAX-AA#11, LAX-BOS-AA#12.

skibum9 · Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:59 am

Kian,

Take a stats course.

Given the volume of flights that go in and out of JFK, you will find that the problems you mention are statistically insignificant. You are still safer than driving, which would be a challenge all the way to BOM.

CORULEZ05 · Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:12 am

I think it shows lack of attention from Delta. Two incidents that close to each other?....scary. I would avoid an airline that has had two emergencies back to back like that.

jpetekyxmd80 · Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:18 am

What is it with JFK and NY....Swiss 111, American Airlines Flight to Dominican Republic, Air France Concorde to JFK, Egypt Air 990, TWA 800, AA 11, UA175....

Originated at BOS...

jpetekyxmd80 · Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:22 am

I think it shows lack of attention from Delta. Two incidents that close to each other?....scary. I would avoid an airline that has had two emergencies back to back like that.

Are you thick? Do you even know what caused the smoke in the cockpit? Engine shutdowns are also fairly routine too, and mostly used to avoid a possible serious problem (ie rise in oil pressure etc). Its not like an engine just turned off...

alb222 · Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:31 am

Quoting CORULEZ05 (reply 9):

So, you won't fly AA either with all of the MD80 incidents? With all of the flights that go on daily, stuff happens. Every and I repeat every airline have incidents..................what is fortunate that the majority of incidents result in a happy ending. So bottom line is that you need to avoid all of the airlines 'cause stuff happens everyday.

tinpusher007 · Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:37 am

It is also worth mentioning that DL operates the largest fleet of Boeing 767's in the world. So, statistically they might be more likely to experience these sort of problems more frequently than other carriers.

The very reason we have an NTSB is so that FACTS can be learned and relied upon to determine safety, not specualtion!

WindowSeat · Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:04 am

Quoting TinPusher007 (reply 13):
It is also worth mentioning that DL operates the largest fleet of Boeing 767's in the world....

...which is in desperate need of some interior change. Anyone know when they are getting a facelift?

cheers

.

kian · Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:19 am

Kian,

Take a stats course.

Given the volume of flights that go in and out of JFK, you will find that the problems you mention are statistically insignificant. You are still safer than driving, which would be a challenge all the way to BOM.
.....................................

So do LHR/LGW, ATL, ORD/MDW, LAX...but they all put together are no where near JFK.....

ANNOYEDFA · Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:22 am

CORULEZ05: Then I guess you would be avioding just about every airline in the world. Airlines and their planes make emergency landings daily. I know I have done them before.

Windowseat: Sure I can tell you as soon and oil drops below $50 a barrel, People pay real airfare prices, and last but not least DL stops losing billions yearly.... Did I leave anything out?

WindowSeat · Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:49 am

Quoting ANNOYEDFA (reply 16):
Windowseat: Sure I can tell you as soon and oil drops below $50 a barrel, People pay real airfare prices, and last but not least DL stops losing billions yearly.... Did I leave anything out?

Well, for starters what did you get in? The oil IS below $50 a barrel, people have started paying 'real' airfare prices again, dunno if you consider real = exhorbitant. Last but not the least, DL is losing $5 million a day; nonetheless they hired one of the best PR firms to get an image makeover; they are rumoured to be spending on new uniforms; and yet they haven't changed what is fundamental to an air travel experience, the interior of the aircraft - where people paying 'real' prices are going to spend many hours sitting in that very interior, probably looking at the seat back in front of them longer than Delta's new uniforms or their ad campaigns.

cheers

.

NW747-400 · Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:06 pm

WindowSeat: I believe Delta is in the midst of transforming the interiors right now, they chose to start with MD88 first.

lxlgu · Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:42 pm

Aircraft due to leave today 19 FEB
DL9592
DEP SNN 1400
ARR JFK 1700
Cheers!
Tony

kian · Sat Feb 19, 2005 2:04 am

I am glad Delta 119 on 02.17.2005 had SNN to get to after the engine shut off...what would have happend if it was in the middle of Atlantic when the engine trouble popped up? I am just one day old on this forum...so, excuse if it is a real basic question....

zionstrat · Sat Feb 19, 2005 2:38 am

Kian-
Welcome to the board and expect you will find this a great place to learn!

Do some searches on issues like ETOPS and you will find that there is far more research and planning around aviation than the gernal public and media tend to be aware of-

As a result, small issues appear big, but if you dig in you will find that practically everything the public fears (except airline food Smile

is nearly groundless.

If you dig in, you will learn how unlikely it is for a twin turbo commercial on regularly scheduled flight to loose both engines- In fact as aviation freaks we can sum it up with 2 incidents:
Air Canada
Air Tran

Not a single injury in either case-
Cheers

kian · Sat Feb 19, 2005 2:45 am

Quoting Zionstrat (reply 21):

Quoting Zionstrat (reply 21):
If you dig in, you will learn how unlikely it is for a twin turbo commercial on regularly scheduled flight to loose both engines- In fact as aviation freaks we can sum it up with 2 incidents:
Air Canada
Air Tran

Not a single injury in either case-
Cheers

Thanks so much for the info.

1MillionFlyer · Sat Feb 19, 2005 2:52 am

Quoting Zionstrat (reply 21):
If you dig in, you will learn how unlikely it is for a twin turbo commercial on regularly scheduled flight to loose both engines- In fact as aviation freaks we can sum it up with 2 incidents:
Air Canada
Air Tran

AirTransat (not AirTran) a Canadain charter operator ran out of fuel and dead sticked an A330-300 into the Azores .

The Air Canada incident (767-200) was over land and dead sticked to an old drag racing strip.

In both cases no one was injured. In both case running out of fuel was the culprit.

I beleive the statistic for a modern 2 Engine jet aircraft to expereience a duel engine faliure is 10 -24 or 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 flights

[Edited 2005-02-18 18:53:35]

767Lover · Sat Feb 19, 2005 2:55 am

WindowSeat: I believe Delta is in the midst of transforming the interiors right now, they chose to start with MD88 first.

And now they may be eliminating the MD88 altogether (based on the other thread)?

1MillionFlyer · Sat Feb 19, 2005 2:58 am

It will be the MD-90 not the MD-88

phase out:

737-200
767-200
737-300
MD-90