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JAL Placed 8 B777-300ER Order.

Sat Apr 01, 2000 1:20 pm

I just checked out from Boeing home page. The breaking news on 31/3/00 is JAL (Japan Airlines) placed 8 B777-300ER order to replaced it's B747 Classic. So, JAL will be the first launch customer for this new variant of B777 family, Whose next? MAS? CX? SIA? AF? How about the B777-200LR, who will be the first launch customer? Have a guess and debate!
 
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RE: JAL Placed 8 B777-300ER Order.

Sat Apr 01, 2000 1:43 pm

Actually, it seems they are replacing their 747-400 with it, not their Classics. They said its only 30 seats smaller than the 744, and that they converted options on the 744s to place these orders.

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JAL Did Owned 21 B747 Classic

Sat Apr 01, 2000 1:52 pm

To Sammy, for your information, JAL did owned and operate 21 B747 Classic comprising 100/200/300 series. Just check out from their web page: www.jal.co.jp
 
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RE: Who's Next - Guesses

Sat Apr 01, 2000 1:55 pm

My guess for who's next:

Malaysia will order some in early April, probably announcing first orders for the -200LR as well. ANA won't let JAL get too far ahead of them, so they'll also announce fairly soon. I have yet to decide if Cathay will include Boeing in their upcoming widebody order, but my guess is possibly the -300LR, but not the -200LR. Delta is also a possiblity, but mostly older model -200ERs, not the new one (but I can hope).

Sammy, JAL actually is replacing early model '47s, as the article does state, although its kinda buried. They only compare the 777s to the 747-400 as a reference.

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Questions About Jal!

Sun Apr 02, 2000 1:16 am

JAL has placed an order for 8 777-300Xs and for another two options. That is ok so far. But isn`t it somehow ridiculous that JAL will have all ordered 300Xs in their fleet by 2008 ? Imagine, the Boeing 747-400s would have an age of almost 20 years ! I think that JAL is actually going a wrong way. Why don't they order some new 744 and get them much earlier than waiting for the 777Xs ??? I think it is really time for JAL to replace its old 747 Classics now, don't you think so ? JAL is just waiting too long !
By the way, when are they going to replace the Boeing 767-200s and -300s ? Maybe that will be the next problem for JAL because Boeing has no newer aircraft to replace the -200s and -300s ! So, what will JAL do next ? The boeing 767-400 would be too large for operating on doemstic routes which are now operated by 767-200s and -300s.
 
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Phileo & Hamlet69

Sun Apr 02, 2000 1:28 am

Phileo, I never said JAL never operated any Classics, all I said was that these 777X's will replace the -400s.

Hamlet69, it clearly states that the 777X will replace the -400...

Start Quote--

"JAL, which has options on two more 777-300LRs, will replace older model 747s with the new 777-300LRs, which carry about 30 fewer passengers than the flagship 747 jumbo.

``JAL intends to use the aircraft on international trunk routes, using the new twinjet's capability to operate on such long-haul routes as Tokyo-New York and Tokyo-Rome,'' JAL said."

"JAL said it would operate the 777-300LR with 300 seats, compared with 330 in its 747-400s."

--End Quote

When they say "Older Model", they are referring to the -400. The range and capacity shows that.


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RE: JAL Placed 8 B777-300ER Order.

Sun Apr 02, 2000 2:55 am

Sammy,
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. I still believe that 'older model 747s' mean precisely that. There's no reason to replace -400s while leaving older -200s & -300s (even some -100s, if they're not gone by now) flying on. But we're certainly entitled to believe our own thoughts.

SRAA330-223,
I haven't heard anything as far as JAL replacing their old 767s. But if they wanted to, I think they're best choice to replace 762s and 763s would be with those planes themselves. Boeing is still selling 763s very well, and both models are now available with the new interior from the -400. Also, I've heard many rumors that Boeing may launch a 767NG program, including the new wing and cockpit into the 762 and 763. JAL would seem to be a good launch customer for these planes.

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RE: JAL Placed 8 B777-300ER Order.

Sun Apr 02, 2000 3:04 am

Hamlet, just curious, what routes are the Classics used on?

Also, any reason WHY JAL will not replace their -400s by 2008? by then the -400 will be nearing 20 years, and it is possible that all the -200s (replaced by regular 777-300s???) will be gone by then??

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RE: JAL Placed 8 B777-300ER Order.

Sun Apr 02, 2000 3:17 am

Maybe they want to replace the B747-400 with A3XX, they surely want larger aircraft for their domestic route and some of the high demand international route

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Hamlet, just curious, what routes are the Classics used on?

Also, any reason WHY JAL will not replace their -400s by 2008? by then the -400 will be nearing 20 years, and it is possible that all the -200s (replaced by regular 777-300s???) will be gone by then??

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RE: JAL Placed 8 B777-300ER Order.

Sun Apr 02, 2000 3:51 am

Sammy,
No reason actually, but to me it just doesn't make sense to replace 744s while keeping 742s. The first 742s were delivered to JAL in 1971, while the 744 wasn't delivered until 1990. So by 2008, when the last of these 773LR are delivered, the 744s may be 18 years old, but the 742s will be 37! That's not to say they won't be replaced by more 773s, but so far JAL only has 5 in their fleet, compared with up to 30 older 747s (-100, -200 & -300). So if this were to happen, I would expect to see a large order for more 'regular' 773s in the near future. Just my thoughts, however, if I were in charge of JAL. Love to hear your own.

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RE: JAL Placed 8 B777-300ER Order.

Sun Apr 02, 2000 5:15 am

This link reflects JAL's fleet as of July 1999 = http://www.japanair.com/company/fact/Default.htm

It says they have 37 747-400. The 747-400 fleet seems large for a replacement. They also have 15 -200 and 11 -300. And 13 DC10-40 and 10 MD-11. Maybe they are replacing part of the -400 fleet with -300ER (routes that don't need the extra capacity). Also it could be that they are replacing the MD-11 or DC10-40.
 
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RE: JAL Placed 8 B777-300ER Order.

Sun Apr 02, 2000 2:27 pm

Hamlet, If you want my opinon, I think JAL should just phase out the 747 completely. If they have a small number of regular 777s, and if they find the GE engines to be better for them, maybe they can get rid of the current PW powered 777s and replace them with GE90 powered examples.

-Replace Classic 747s and MD-11s with a mix of 772/773
-Replace 744s with 773LRs
-Replace 767s with newer 767s with possible 777 style cockpit (200ERX and 300ERX)

Would work nice to simplify the fleet dont you think?

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To Replace 747 Classics

Sun Apr 02, 2000 2:32 pm

from boeing's web site ...

full text at
http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2000/news_release_000331a.html

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SEATTLE, March 31, 2000 - In a celebration of the continued acceptance of the 777 with customers, and preference by passengers worldwide, The Boeing Company and General Electric jointly confirmed Japan Airlines' (JAL) decision to purchase eight of the newest model 777s, the longer-range derivatives of the 777-300.

"We are delighted to be a launch customer for the longer-range 777-300 airplane," said JAL President Isao Kaneko. "Our experience with the 777-200 and -300 models has been outstanding and we have great confidence in the economics and reliability of this new longer-range member of the 777 family."

The airline plans to use the airplane on international routes replacing its 747 classics.

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Out Of Topic!

Sun Apr 02, 2000 4:35 pm

The main objective of me to post this topic is to inform the launch of 300ER for JAL and talk about the possible first launch customer for 200LR. How come the everyone just talk about JAL? it was clearly stated in boeing news release that the new 777-300ER will used to replace JAL 747 Classic (Classic refer to 100/200/300 series of 747). No matter which type of aircraft is going to replace by JAL, that is their corporate P&C and it was truely childish to debates amongst each other, unless you work for JAL in the top management rank.

Please stick to the topic.

(Thanks for 777X for cited the news from boeing)

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RE: JAL Placed 8 B777-300ER Order.

Mon Apr 03, 2000 2:16 am

Phileo,
Thanks for getting us on-track. Although I don't really think it's childish to have a debate with your peers, you're absolutely right about it being pointless and off-topic.

How's this: Emirates announced today (4/2) that they have upcoming options due to expire if they don't turn them into firm orders. Four are for 777s. Look for them to order -200LRs (possibly -300LRs, but I doubt it) to complement (perhaps replace) their already ordered A345s. I would also expect Air France to announce an order for -200LRs in the near future. These are in addition to what I posted before.  

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