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Byrdluvs747
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HP's Fleet Plans.

Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:51 am

In their Q1 investor update. HP(Mesa) shows that they'll be eliminating the Dash-8's from the fleet in 2006.

Can anyone tell me why they are cutting this aircraft? I thought they were economical to operate. What will they use for short/low passenger routes?

It also shows an increase of the CRJ-900 total by 13. I can't imagine that they'll be replacing the Dash-8's.

http://www.shareholder.com/americawest/downloads/Update_1Q05B.pdf
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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:06 am

Not really sure. I do know that they are getting rid of them in a partial effort to increase the number of CRJs in their fleet.
 
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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:16 am

If they do this, then America West will lose service to Aspen, since the CRJ is pretty much incapable of flying there without massive weight restriction -- especially in the summer.
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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:01 am

Unfortunately maybe Mesa will serve ASE with the Beech 1900?
 
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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:12 am

They also said they wanted to reduce the 757s. True?


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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:28 am

The elimination of the Dash 8's in the HPX fleet could be for increased capacity. Though on some of the routes they fly, I can't imagine using a CRJ. Can one be used in FLG? I didn't think so buy maybe they can. They also might be considering downsizing the smaller cities in the express operation. I can only guess.
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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:30 am

Delta --

Not according to that report.

[Edited 2005-02-27 22:33:07]
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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:37 am


Quoting DeltaWings (reply 4):
They also said they wanted to reduce the 757s. True?


IIRC, there have been numerous rumors reported in this forum that the reverse is actually the case; HP is seeking a fair number of second hand 752s. No doubt they are well suited operationally to the PHX and LAS hubs if the capacity is needed.

[Edited 2005-02-27 22:41:56]
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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:41 am

Quoting DeltaWings (reply 4):
They also said they wanted to reduce the 757s. True?


Opposite is the case. They have been looking for 752s because of the performance. Both hubs are very very hot and over 3000 feet. This is the reason they have not taken the A321
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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:06 am

The Dash-8 elimination may be an attempt to simplify the fleet, as most airlines have been doing since 9/11. Also, more and more regional carriers are wanting to go all-RJ because passengers supposedly prefer riding on jets. The razz-mataz about turboprops since the '60s is that the propellers make them look old-fashioned.

Before I get flamed, I do realize there are exceptions to the all-RJ theory, QX being the perfect example with their Q400s. I am just posting these speculations for discussion's sake.
 
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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:35 am

Frugalqxnwa,

I can completely understand why a passenger wants to be on a jet. Fly on one of QX's Q200 and you'll wish you were on a jet.
 
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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:43 am

Quoting Boeing73G (reply 10):
I can completely understand why a passenger wants to be on a jet. Fly on one of QX's Q200 and you'll wish you were on a jet.


I actually agree with you, the Q400s are worse than a CRJ-200. I flew one returning to school from Christmas Break. However, there are turboprops out there that are very comfortable, like the B1900D. The only problem with the 1900 (or at least the ones I have flown on) was there was no lavatory.
 
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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:18 am

Quoting Frugalqxnwa (reply 11):
The only problem with the 1900 (or at least the ones I have flown on) was there was no lavatory.


....not to mention no beer.

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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:30 am

Quoting Travatl (reply 12):
....not to mention no beer


How could a college student like me forget about the beer?

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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:47 am

YV loosing the Dash is fantastic! They're old, overweight, and always on maintenance.

As for ASE...the numbers never really justified sending a Dash up there anyways. The numbers always made more sense for a beech. Although people hate those more than the Dash
 
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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:23 am

Quoting Uafedexflyboy (reply 14):
They're old, overweight, and always on maintenance.


What ISN'T on maintainance at Mesa?
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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:31 pm

Why doesn't mesa try the emb120, they have good relatoins with embraer. The emb120 has the same amount of seats as a dash don't they?
 
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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:34 pm

ByrdLuvs

HP = America West Airlines
YV = Mesa Airlines

Two different airlines.
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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:16 am

Hey AirWillie Mesa did fly the EMB-120 the performance is no as good as the DHC-200 . BTW most of the Dash-8's with Mesa (the 200's) were delivered new to YV in I think '96. The were built with the 100 fuselage and the 300 engines enhancing the performance greatly. Not to mention the 200's have the updated cabin interior. Also YV has obtained old Piedmont 100's AC 987HA,988HA 989HA,&991HA last year. We call them the old DISCO DASH they have no pax O2 system. And the pax hate them with the tacky bulkhead "wallpaper" hence the Disco Dash. They look very '60's in the cabin eventhough they were built in the '80's.
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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:01 am

Both hubs are very very hot and over 3000 feet.

Hot, yes. Over 3000 feet, no.
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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:36 am

As for ASE...the numbers never really justified sending a Dash up there anyways. The numbers always made more sense for a beech. Although people hate those more than the Dash

Maybe on your days J, but Wed-Sat ASE would normally be booked 43/37 and we would usually end up taking only 30-32 pax after all the wonderful weight/balance calculations.
 
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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:10 am

The E120 is no good at ASE, either -- even with the hot and high engines.
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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:33 am

The Dash-100/200 seats 36/37 pax the EMB-120 seats 30/32.
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RE: HP's Fleet Plans.

Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:12 am

Jet boy --

I think was pointing out the booking versus weight restricted capacity for the Dash.

I know that the E120 would end up taking at least a 1500 pound payload hit here.
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