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119 Survive Belly Landing

Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:45 am

You have to read this news report. If I told you what said, you wouldn't believe me.  Smile

http://allafrica.com/stories/200503140578.html

Happily, no matter how it was reported, there were no fatalities.
 
PizzaPolli
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RE: 119 Survive Belly Landing

Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:53 am

This is the best: "(the plane) landed on its belly at the Abuja end due to excessive breeze". Also " The incident occured when the plane was about to land. The breeze forced it to crashland, it rained about that time and the plane landed on its belly rather than the tyres,". Glad everyone was fine, and I never want to feel a breeze that violent.  Wink
 
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RE: 119 Survive Belly Landing

Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:00 am

Love this quote at the bottom of the story:

Early in the year, the aviation sector and indeed the entire country was jolted when one of the airline's planes crashlanded at the Lagos Murtala Mohammed Airport. The inability of the craft's tyres to unfurl while decending from a flight had caused it to also land on its belly.


You know, I've had this problem before. Next time I'll use the call bell: "Miss, I don't think the tyres have unfurled". Yeah, they'll love that ...
 
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RE: 119 Survive Belly Landing

Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:01 am

"The incident occured when the plane was about to land. The breeze forced it to crashland, it rained about that time and the plane landed on its belly rather than the tyres," said one eyewitness at the Nnamdi Azikwe Airport."

Sounds like the gear lever failing to be lowered would be the cause Big grin!! I guess they are maybe saying there was a windshear and broke the gear?? I don't quite understand what the article is trying to say.
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RE: 119 Survive Belly Landing

Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:04 am

What aircraft type??
 
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RE: 119 Survive Belly Landing

Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:11 am

This was probably a windshear incident? Don't expect much professional vocabulary from the local journalists!
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broke
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RE: 119 Survive Belly Landing

Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:42 am

The airplane is a 727-200.
 
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RE: 119 Survive Belly Landing

Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:48 am

You try translating English into their language and see what you come up with.......
 
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RE: 119 Survive Belly Landing

Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:04 am

Lucky they were in a 727 rather than something with engines slung under the wings, I'd imagine it's much more dangerous to belly land in something like a 737 where the engines must necessarily be crushed on impact...
 
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RE: 119 Survive Belly Landing

Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:43 am

Fly Chanchangi for a thrilling time!!!.
 
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RE: 119 Survive Belly Landing

Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:50 am

I thought the engines were designed to come away during a belly landing, like the engines on the fatal Amsterdam 747 crash. My memory is a bit foggy on that one... (no I don't mean high mounted engines a la 727 or DC9 etc)

Good comment Flaps. I agree. Lets see how good everyones Igbo is before we start criticizing their English!
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RE: 119 Survive Belly Landing

Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:37 am

You really have to wonder about Nigerian aircraft mx standards when you consider the generally attrocious state of Nigerian infructure and corruption. Perhaps the spate of incidents on now-banned 111's will now happen on "newer" Nigerian 727/737 aircraft. No wonder so many oil companies have their own private airlift for ex-pat workers.

Well, if nothing else, even though these passengers experienced a harrowing belly landing, at least they were on a flight OUT of Lagos.

Try a google search on "Lagos Airport" and read about the horrid condition of the airport and the massive corruption even within the terminal.
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RE: 119 Survive Belly Landing

Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:14 am

Must not be a very busy airport. They didn't even have to close the airport while a 727 sat on it's belly waiting to be lifted, so they could lower the landing gear and taxi it to the gate for it's next flight!


Phil...
 
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RE: 119 Survive Belly Landing

Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:41 pm

Quoting PapaNovember (Reply 12):
so they could lower the landing gear and taxi it to the gate for it's next flight!

Thats a good one...

They don't even check the aircraft for structual damage, they just lower the landing gear and send it off to the terminal to pick up more passengers for the next ride!
 
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RE: 119 Survive Belly Landing

Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:16 pm

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 8):
Lucky they were in a 727 rather than something with engines slung under the wings, I'd imagine it's much more dangerous to belly land in something like a 737 where the engines must necessarily be crushed on impact...

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm 99.9% positive that aircraft that have wing mounted engines are built to let the engine break off in such incidents.

However, I'm sure someone else can get more technical on this issue for us. Big grin

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RE: 119 Survive Belly Landing

Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:52 pm

Quoting StanstedFlyer (Reply 10):
I thought the engines were designed to come away during a belly landing, like the engines on the fatal Amsterdam 747 crash.

You are both right and wrong.

Yes, engines are supposed to shear off during a belly landing if violent.

However in the Amsterdam crash the #3 engine sheared off due to fatigue while the aircraft was flying. It collided with the #4 engine.
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RE: 119 Survive Belly Landing

Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:11 pm

I have been to many accident sites around the world that involved gear failures with Boeing aircraft (737, 757) and I have never seen an engine break away. Due to the aircraft sliding the lower portion of the engine always grinds away from the tarmac or it ingests mud and debris if it goes off the runway. I have heard through engineering conversations that the engines for these models have an attachment design utilizing "fuse pins" and "cone bolts" that when compromised in flight would send the engine forward and over the top of the wing. The engine would break the aft pin first and would pivot on the forward two with the thrust throwing it over the leading edge. This would save the basic structural integrity of the wing itself.
 
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RE: 119 Survive Belly Landing

Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:19 am

I believe the idea is that, in a crash landing involving gear failure and ground contact of wing mounted engines, the engines will pivot up and over the wing rather than fold under where they would likely rupture fuel tanks. That's the logic--what forces it takes for it to happen or not happen are another matter. Interesting that BoeingAOG has been to many accident sites without seeing such a result.
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RE: 119 Survive Belly Landing

Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:35 am

I especially like the description of a belly landing as a "near mishap."
I'm just happy that RR ratings can't be in negative numbers!

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