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OttoPylit
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AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:53 am

I would like some help from those AA folks out there. Since AA 174 is the only AA 777 flying in and out of RDU, is the same ship used day after day? If not, how or when is the aircraft rotated out(i.e.-ferried, extra section, equipment sub)? All AA flights into and out of RDU seem to be MD-80s, except for this one. So does AA just use this particular ship in and out to LGW or do they swap it out with other 777's or 763's? Maybe AA still has a maintenance base in RDU and doesn't need to rotate it out for maintenance issues?

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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:53 am

The plane flies DFW-LGW-RDU-LGW-RDU.
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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:52 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
The plane flies DFW-LGW-RDU-LGW-RDU.

I don't think that helps answer the question. Unless there are 777s flying between RDU and DFW, the only opportunity to swap out for a different 777 is at London-Gatwick. I know Boston's two 777s go to Heathrow, as do many of the other AA flights. My guess is that if two AA 777s come into Gatwick on a given morning--one from Raleigh and another from City B, then I'll bet the City B 777 goes back to RDU while the RDU 777 goes to City B. Just a guess.

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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:55 am

That is probably right ChrisNH. And in LHR the BOS flight probably leaves LHR headed for JFK, ORD, MIA, or LAX.

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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:56 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 2):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
The plane flies DFW-LGW-RDU-LGW-RDU.

I don't think that helps answer the question. Unless there are 777s flying between RDU and DFW, the only opportunity to swap out for a different 777 is at London-Gatwick. I know Boston's two 777s go to Heathrow, as do many of the other AA flights. My guess is that if two AA 777s come into Gatwick on a given morning--one from Raleigh and another from City B, then I'll bet the City B 777 goes back to RDU while the RDU 777 goes to City B. Just a guess.

That's exactly what I said. The 777 goes DFW-LGW-RDU-LGW-DFW. Dallas and Raleigh are the only cities that AA serves from Gatwick.
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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:11 am

Ok, so it would be AA50 that the plane swaps in and out with. Since that is the only other AA 777 serving LGW. I looked at that, as sometimes our flights will make a run such as ATL-LGW-CVG, but I guess the 4 hr 15 minute ground time in LGW seemed rather long. AA50 arrives at 745a and AA173 departs 12n. But now I know thats what they do with it. Here's another question for you. Besides the pharmaceutical company that has an agreement with AA for that flight, does it ever really fill up with passengers, or usually empty? I may be going to London in a couple of months and that flight might be a way to try out AA's international service.
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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:14 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
The plane flies DFW-LGW-RDU-LGW-RDU.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
That's exactly what I said. The 777 goes DFW-LGW-RDU-LGW-DFW.

Almost exactly what you said! In conclusion, it looks like this plane operates on this pattern:

DFW-LGW-RDU-LGW-DFW

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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:14 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
That's exactly what I said. The 777 goes DFW-LGW-RDU-LGW-DFW. Dallas and Raleigh are the only cities that AA serves from Gatwick.

You actually made a typo and DFW-LGW-RDU-LGW-RDU, but it is rather easy to figure out what you meant.
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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:17 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 5):
Besides the pharmaceutical company that has an agreement with AA for that flight, does it ever really fill up with passengers, or usually empty?

I'm pretty sure that on most days, it's at about 70% occupancy.. Glaxo pays for First and Business class pre-take off.. even if it is not used.. but there are a plenty of travelling passengers on that flight..
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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:19 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
I'm pretty sure that on most days, it's at about 70% occupancy.. Glaxo pays for First and Business class pre-take off.. even if it is not used.. but there are a plenty of travelling passengers on that flight..

It is the best connection, if you can get it, to get in Y to London because you are likely to have several seats to yourself. The plane is guarenteed to break even with every flight, so 1 seat means profit for AA
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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:22 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 5):
does it ever really fill up with passengers, or usually empty?

As a rule, your chances of getting a seat on this flight are better than the ones headed for DFW, in all classes. The only problem is onward connections on AA are poor. I non-revved this flight late last year and then WN to BHM, worked out very well and would certainly do it again...
 
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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:26 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
I'm pretty sure that on most days, it's at about 70% occupancy.. Glaxo pays for First and Business class pre-take off.. even if it is not used.. but there are a plenty of travelling passengers on that flight..

Loads are about 50-55% during the winter, a healthier 70-75% during peak summer. The flight has been going out packed during March, thanks to spring breakers connecting to MIA and MCO.
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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:41 am

But regardless what load the flight has, it is a money maker.. so it could go out with 5 people on it and still be one of the better AA flights.. Ahh.. so sweet..  cloudnine 
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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:43 am

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 10):
As a rule, your chances of getting a seat on this flight are better than the ones headed for DFW, in all classes. The only problem is onward connections on AA are poor. I non-revved this flight late last year and then WN to BHM, worked out very well and would certainly do it again...

Yea, my plan would be to ID90 on the flight to LGW and back and then catch DL back to ATL. I just wish there was a way I could get moved up to First or Business if available on an ID90, but I'm sure its highly unlikely.
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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:46 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 12):
But regardless what load the flight has, it is a money maker.. so it could go out with 5 people on it and still be one of the better AA flights.. Ahh.. so sweet..

This flight is certainly a non-rev dream, one of the better kept secrets out there to get back and forth across the pond. Even better if you live in the RDU area...
 
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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:06 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
Glaxo pays for First and Business class pre-take off.. even if it is not used.. but there are a plenty of travelling passengers on that flight..

I believe that is false, GSK pays for the cargo capacity or that used to be the arrangement a year or so ago. I think the flight still needs like 100 pax to break even. Loads are about what MAH4546 said.

I was also told that as recently as 5 years ago, the RDU-LGW-RDU was AA's most profitable route in their system. I don't know how true that ever was but I would seriously doubt that it still is.

Ottopylit: It used to be a 767 (can't remember if -200 or -300) it flew DFW-RDU-LGW-RDU-DFW.
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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:09 pm

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 15):
I believe that is false, GSK pays for the cargo capacity or that used to be the arrangement a year or so ago. I think the flight still needs like 100 pax to break even.

I think Glaxo does pay for the First Class and business class.. hense why AA upgraded from a 767 to a 777.. for the added First class/business class seating..

I admit, I could be wrong.. but the local conglomerate (including Glaxo) taht subsidize the flight includes both cargo and seating..
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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:14 pm

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 15):
It used to be a 767 (can't remember if -200 or -300

Anytime I have checked, it has always been a 763 and I was quite shocked to see that it was upgraded to a 777. I am sure its one of the local RDU spotters favorite flights. It certainly sounds like a nonrev special flight.

So, can anyone tell me a good way to get a helpful AA agent to slip a nonrev up front if there's room? I have never nonreved on AA, so I would be wondering to see if AA agents would do it, or its out of the question.

I've always upgraded my nonrevs, even ID90's, but wasn't sure if AA would allow their folks to do it or not.
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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:21 pm

In my experience AA and US for that matter do not upgrade OA non-revs. I believe that's becuase they don't upgrade their own employees unless they want to pay (or pay more that is).

When AA upgraded it in the summer of '01 they announced locally that it was because of increased demand for the service. I think the underlying reason is more cargo related. They wanted the extra cargo lift.
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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:25 pm

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 15):
I believe that is false, GSK pays for the cargo capacity or that used to be the arrangement a year or so ago. I think the flight still needs like 100 pax to break even. Loads are about what MAH4546 said

True, back when I worked at Terminal C (it was the 767 then), it was well known there that mail/cargo was the big source of revenue on the flight; that most likely explains the upgrade to the B777.

Close friends of mine that work at the AA SERO have non-rev on it with absolute confidence many times.
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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:27 pm

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 17):
Anytime I have checked, it has always been a 763 and I was quite shocked to see that it was upgraded to a 777.

07-24-01 RDU Welcomes the B-777

been that way for almost 4 years
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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:19 pm

Yeah the A/C does swap routes at LGW (www.lhr-lgw.co.uk)
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RE: AA174 RDU-LGW Ship Usage

Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:29 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 20):
07-24-01 RDU Welcomes the B-777

been that way for almost 4 years

It was downgraded back to a 763 after 9.11, upgraded again in time for summer 2002.
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