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My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:00 pm

Booked AUS-DFW-MCO on June 18th, 2005. I am on AA #1592. It says 757 as the a/c type. Am I on one of the ex TWA birds AA got? Where does AA fly the ex TWA 752?

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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:13 pm

You're not going to know until you get to the airport. The ex-TWA 757s have P&W engines and no over the wing exits while the original AA birds have RRs engines and have the over the wing exits.
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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:51 pm

Hey AA flies the ex TWA 757 on alot fo routes out fo DFW, mainly to SEA, LAS, LAX, MCO, and STL, JFK, LGA.

I looked up your flight number, there are no flight 1592 for DFW-MCO. The only ones I see that are 757 flights is.

#1202- AA 757
#1104- AA 757
#676- AA 757

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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:18 pm

Just look at the engines-- if they have the Rolls Royces- its an Original AA A/C.

If it has the P&W engines, it was TWA. You can tell teh difference by looking at the back of the engine, where the RR's have a big silver piece on the end....

P&W's have a long thing coming OUT of the back of the engine, and then a dark piece of metal on the end... lol... bad description, here is a picture of each:

EX-TWA Bird:
http://photos.airliners.net/51d835324f65a389167253dc247cb328/42392ef9/photos/7/3/0/453037.jpg


Original AA Bird:
http://photos.airliners.net/7e2fc1c8801dee027f70f19c3f856377/42392e93/photos/1/3/8/789831.jpg

See the difference? The original AA engines (RR) look shorter and even a bit smaller.... I like them better tho cuz I believe they are the same generation as those that power the 744s and 767s....at least for BA...

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Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:30 pm


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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:55 pm

Quoting AA777 (Reply 3):
I like them better tho cuz I believe they are the same generation as those that power the 744s and 767s....at least for BA...

Correct. The RB211's are the same generation. However, the 757 gets a de-rated version (38k versus 62K). Fuel economy suffers for the RR on the 757, but man is the mx great! (15k cycle turbine life!)  bouncy 

The Pratt's have the advantage in fuel economy. But unless one is flying long haul the RR had the cost advantage when the engines were being bought; the mx costs balanced out the fuel at $35/bbl. Obviously at $55/bbl the Pratt has an advantage... too late.  cry 

Ok, not to get  flamed . Are there any TWA pilots left flying for AA? on the 757?

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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:49 pm

Unfortunatly one of the major differences in the former TWA 757s is you wont find any former TWA flight attendants on them. Sad...
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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:12 am

Sorry, my flight is #1538. It was my mistake. 7:21p depature from DFW, arriving MCO at 10:54p.

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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:16 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 5):
Ok, not to get . Are there any TWA pilots left flying for AA? on the 757?

I think there is. My instructor is Check Airman for 757/767 at AA, and he has told me before that he's had to go to STL or DFW to do checks on ex-TW pilots on their old metal. I could be wrong. I doubt there are any flight attendants that were with TW that got absorbed into AA that still fly.

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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:21 am

Quoting AA777 (Reply 3):
The original AA engines (RR) look shorter and even a bit smaller.... I like them better tho cuz I believe they are the same generation as those that power the 744s and 767s....at least for BA...

The PW engines are also of the same generation and type that power the 744 and 767, just lower thrust. They burn more fuel, however, than the RB211 on the 757.

BTW, the easiest way to tell is the giant RR symbol on the side of the cowling on the AA birds.
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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Sat Mar 19, 2005 6:56 am

Also, the TW planes have LCD IFE screens, while the AA planes have TVs in the aisle. Also, TW planes have no powerports.
 
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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Sat Mar 19, 2005 7:13 am

They aren't the same engine.

The RB.211 model for the 767 and 747 is the -524, the one for the 757 is the -535.

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 5):
The Pratt's have the advantage in fuel economy.

I think you to have that backwards, don't you?

The RR has been the performance leader in range on the 757 for the longest time.

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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Sat Mar 19, 2005 7:15 am

All TWA Flight Attendant's are with AA but all are out on furlough.
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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Sat Mar 19, 2005 7:18 am

AA777jr,

Right now the flight shows as an ExTway bird but that could change. Just a little fyi...the flight shows to be leaving DFW at 644p arriving MCO at 1015p not 721p and 1051p

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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Sat Mar 19, 2005 9:57 am

AA777jr-
As Matt said it is an ex-TWA Bird. You should like the ex TWA planes, because they have extra padding in the seats, more comfort (even w/o the legroom) and the tv's are better located then the AA 757's one

Matt- I highly doubt they would trade the 757's because the seats are totally different then the ex TWA ones, and pilots for ex TWA cannot fly AA 757 and vice versa, so no matter what it will be an ex TWA 757.

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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:09 am

Don't some of the food carts still have some old TWA labels on them also?

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 14):
pilots for ex TWA cannot fly AA 757 and vice versa, so no matter what it will be an ex TWA 757.

Why is that? If they are rated to fly 757's, shouldn't they be able to fly both AA and TWA versions?

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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:48 am

Harry-

I have been told that TWA 757's are different from AA 757's, has to do with the engines and such. Yes iv seen the food carts have the old TWA logos, and it is such a sad reminder Sad
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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:09 am

Haha...looking forward too it. I never got to fly a TW plane before AA bought them out.

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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:15 am

You could also look at the registration...all the TW birds are registered N###TW rather than N###AA or N###AN.
 
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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:07 pm

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 18):
You could also look at the registration...all the TW birds are registered N###TW rather than N###AA or N###AN.

Brilliant!!! Was at DFW today in terminal A and got to see two 752 next to each other and saw the registration. N###TW and N###AA. Super easy to spot. Thanks alot!

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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:40 am

Atrude777,

Correction, AA and former TWA pilots can fly both A/C Types...on any airplane in the fleet.
Both groups received differences training.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 14):
Matt- I highly doubt they would trade the 757's because the seats are totally different then the ex TWA ones, and pilots for ex TWA cannot fly AA 757 and vice versa, so no matter what it will be an ex TWA 757.

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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Sat Mar 26, 2005 3:12 pm

According to a friend of mine who has been an AA pilot since the late 80s, and has flown the 757/767 since the mid 90s, originally, AA pilots could not fly the ex-TW 757s.

The FAA limits pilots to 5 aircraft types. For AA pilots, they were checked out on the 757-200, 757-200ER, 767-200, 767-200ER, and 767-300ER.

AA could have split pilots between 757s and 767s, but chose to leave ex-TW pilots flying the 757s from TW, although they could theortically have been checked out on all of AAs 767 types. That meant that the ex-TW planes were pretty much flying in and out of STL

When AA retired the 767-200s, that opened up training AA pilots on the ex-TW 757s, and it allowed AA to use them over the entire route system.
 
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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Sat Mar 26, 2005 3:54 pm

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 18):
You could also look at the registration...all the TW birds are registered N###TW rather than N###AA or N###AN.

Is this true with many of the former aircraft?

You can definitely tell once you get off the plane by the interiors if they are ex-TWA, too.

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 19):
Brilliant!!! Was at DFW today in terminal A and got to see two 752 next to each other and saw the registration. N###TW and N###AA. Super easy to spot. Thanks alot!

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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Sun Mar 27, 2005 2:53 am

When I was at SJU recently, I had my eyes open for one of the old TWA birds, since SJU is just full of AA 757's. Unfortunately, I never saw one.  Sad

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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:09 am

Aa777jr, did you want to fly on ex-TWA 757? or were you hoping to avoid ex-TWA 757? Just curious. I enjoyed flying ex-TWA 757 DFW-LAS-DFW earlier this year.

You may be flying on ex-TWA MD-80 from AUS to DFW. You can find out by looking at the aircraft registration code on your travel day.
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RE: My Plane An Ex TWA 757?

Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:55 am

AA1538 on their site is showing an ex-TWA bird. Seating configuration is different online vs. normal AA 757s.

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