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Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:38 am

There was a previous topic on this, however, I checked it out and the below link was not yet included in any of the replies. It is a slide show of the fire on the Delta 767 engine.


>http://www.wnbc.com/slideshow/news/4304519/detail.html?qs=;s=1;p=news;dm=ss;w=320>
 
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:39 am

 
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:42 am

"The airline arranged for passengers to meet with counselors upon landing."

How scary was this event?
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:49 am

How scary was this event?

Well...I'm a frequent flier and a seasoned traveler, not to mention an "airplane geek," but I gotta say, if I ever saw flames shooting out of an engine like that, I'd probably dung up my pants!  Silly
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:50 am

Quoting Havaloc (Reply 2):
"The airline arranged for passengers to meet with counselors upon landing."

How scary was this event?

....imagine that you are on a twin engine jet full of fuel taking off when someone mentions that half of your engines are on fire....while taking off. I would lay odds that you would have serious concerns, and when the pilot announces that you have to RTB every airplane disaster newsclipping, video, report, movie you have ever seen will be rolling through your mind while you are calling your loved ones tell them how much you love them.

If that does not scare the average traveller then nothing will.

DL did the right thing offering counselors to their passengers as this was a very stressful and traumatic experience.
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:04 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 4):
DL did the right thing offering counselors to their passengers as this was a very stressful and traumatic experience.

Damn right they did --

The only people who will disagree with that, will be the same people who would have said "Delta should have had counselors on site...." if they hadn't done anything.

While it may be a 'non-event' for some hardened and frequent flyers, for MOST of the people on board, when you're told "Emergency Landing", your life flashes in front of you.

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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:08 am

I'm sorry but if I saw "bright flashes" shooting out from under the wing, i would be a little spooked.
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:14 am

Scary? why?  eek  scared 

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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:17 am

Kudos to the pilots for getting the plane safely back on the ground. That must have been a very scary experience for everyone on board, especially those that saw the flaming engine. Delta did a good job having counselors on site, I'd imagine a number of people would have opted not to continue their journey that day.

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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 9:54 am

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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 9:58 am

OMG.....amazing pics. That was a 763 right? Kudos to the entire flight crew! Trying to keep all the pax calm must have been something! Is that flame coming out of the engine on landing? or is that on t/o. Also does any one know where did they dump the fuel? Thanx in advance! -Delta
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 10:00 am

"And the the engine said 'BURRRRP!'"

May not have been a big thing in the scheme of all possible events, but when someone feels the need to videotape, it's scary enough to the average person.


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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 10:49 am

And after all those warnings about Electronic devices during take off & Landing.

This whole nightmare was caused by someone using a CamCorder!!!  Yeah sure
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:29 am

NBC affiliate WAVY-10 (Norfolk, VA) did a story on this event the other day on the news. The lady who got the whole incident on film is from Virginia Beach so they did an "exclusive." Although the incident was dramatic it was painful to listen to her account of the events. The plane was heading from Atlanta to Germany (assuming Frankfurt). She stated at the end of the piece that she's "glad it didn't happen over the Atlantic cause we would have been goners' if it had." And we wonder why the public is so misinformed.
 
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 12:14 pm

Quoting Havaloc (Reply 2):
"The airline arranged for passengers to meet with counselors upon landing."

I hope they allowed them access to their luggage too, so they could get fresh underwear!
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 12:56 pm

Since this supposedly happened on take-off, and considering the severity of the engine fire as judged by the pictures, would the pilot take the time to gain altitude and dump fuel? ATL has long enough runways I would imagine to handle a plane full of people and fuel making an emergency landing.

The one disaster that would come to my mind if I was on the plane watching this first hand unfold, was the Concorde tragedy in France. I would be shitting bricks!~
 
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:17 pm

Frequent Flyer Kid...
I may be missing something, but why is she misinformed for being thankful that it hadn't happened over the Atlantic? I agree with her, the situation would have been much worse, even with ETOPS in effect. At 35,000 feet, the air the engine breathes in is much less dense and therefore the fire spreads faster. I would not have wanted to be caught with an engine fire up there.

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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:23 pm

One picture shows a 737 below the 767. I'm sure some pax on that 737 had quite a view of a heavy taking off over them with an engine fire.
 
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:47 pm

This is crazy. If I saw this fire I would be shitting more than just bricks!

Good of DL to have counselors on site.

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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:09 pm

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 18):
This is crazy. If I saw this fire I would be shitting more than just bricks!

Good of DL to have counselors on site.

I'm an aerospace nut and this would have me freaked! My mom was on a 767 many years ago with an engine fire; it was the last time she insisted on a wing window seat and it took a decade before I could get her on a 767 again and never with a GE engine. She needed two hours of phone counseling before I could get her to board the replacement aircraft. (Note: that fire was minor, nothing like the photos driving this thread.) She made the airline redo her itinerary so that no flights were on a 767.

Quoting Redngold (Reply 11):
"And the the engine said 'BURRRRP!'"

Hey, if its a 4062, that Burrrrp is just a compressor stall. Scary, a momentary loss of thrust, but not too big a deal. (Except for explaining that 15 foot diameter fireball that came out of the front of the engine.)
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:07 pm

Hey Lightsaber! By the sounds of it you are saying that this wasn't a blow-up but more of a hiccup. Was this a near-death experience or something that although damn scary was a fairly routine thing? I fly a lot for work and would like to be the calm and reassuring one if i ever saw anything like this!!

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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:53 pm

At 35,000 feet, the air the engine breathes in is much less dense and therefore the fire spreads faster.

Fire spreads faster with less air?
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:35 pm

The picture you see above is just one frame of a video that shows a series of flashes but not a sustained fire on the magnitude you see above. You have to slow the video down quite a bit to see what you see above. At speed all you see is a series of quick flashes coming from under the wing, and the airplane shaking a lot (which, along with the sound, was probably the scary thing for those not seated on the right side behind the wing).

Not that I wouldn't have bowel control problems had I witnessed it firsthand, but the picture above makes it look like this huge fireball when it wasn't.

Quoting Frequentflykid (Reply 13):
NBC affiliate WAVY-10 (Norfolk, VA) did a story on this event the other day on the news.

I thought maybe we had put the video up on the website but the story itself isn't even on the site at all. No mention of our "exclusive" whatsoever, but that's not surprising. Our website is mostly a jumbled mess of banner ads and not much else  dollarsign 
 
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:56 pm

Quoting JumboJet (Reply 15):
would the pilot take the time to gain altitude and dump fuel?

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't think dumping fuel with an engine fire is such a good idea that would make anyone feel safer... Wouldn't there be a danger of the fuel catching fire and burning its way into the fuel vent and then blow up the tanks?
I know the vent is not right next to the engine, but still that seems like a bad thing to do.
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 10:53 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
She stated at the end of the piece that she's "glad it didn't happen over the Atlantic cause we would have been goners' if it had." And we wonder why the public is so misinformed.

Aren't her fears justified? Had this happened over the Atlantic, the pilots would not have been able to land the plane as quickly as they did in this incident. Longer the plane is in the air with flames shooting out of the engine, higher the risk of fuel in the tanks catching fire or other catastrophic events occurring. Could someone please explain why this was not such a risky event ? Thanks in advance.
 
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:43 pm

What the media should report is this: Don't fall asleep or ignore the flight attendant's safety briefing before take-off. For once in your life, read the safety card! Can you open an exit? Do you know how? Have you counted the number of rows to the nearest exit in case visibility is obscured? That's what the media should report in an event like this. It would be a nice piece to do as a public service. No. 99 times out of 100 we get the, "Oh my God! I thought we we're gonna die!" report.
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:17 am

Man, that is one scary sight! I don't care how experienced or frequent a flyer you are, seeing an engine in flames like that has got to be scary as hell. I'm glad everything turned out OK.

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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:45 am

"The airline arranged for passengers to meet with counselors upon landing." Why? So someone could hold their precious hands?

This counseling crap is completely out of control in this country. These "counselors" are a bunch of parasites. When I was in grade school we had a couple of kids who died. We didn't get counseling, because we didn't need it. We accepted it, grieved, and moved on. I've seen bad traffic accidents where people died, but I didn't need counseling. This is absurd.

If the airlines want to save some money this is the first thing they should get rid of. They should have never started it.
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Thu Mar 24, 2005 3:12 am

Sadly, a little thing called lawsuits probably encourage airlines to provides counseling. It only takes one passenger and a lawyer to sue for the "pain and suffering" caused by an airline that appeared to not have cared. Infuriating, but there it is.
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Thu Mar 24, 2005 3:56 am

Quoting SBN580 (Reply 28):
It only takes one passenger and a lawyer to sue for the "pain and suffering"

So true. Isnt it always this way? And, only in America. I wouldn't be surprised that the reason for counseling was someone sued from a past similar incident.
 
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:05 am

Quoting Jumbojet (Reply 29):

That was my cynical reply. On the good side of this, I think it is good that an airline, a corporation, show a human face in this day and age. It is really tough for airlines to differentiate themselves from one another anymore. Any chance one can get for good PR for their customers that has real meaning I applaud. And Delta, like many others, needs all the help they can get attracting customers.
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:48 am

Not that it matters, but it looks as if the 767 landed on 24L. It must have been quite a surprise for those waiting to take off on the parallel runway. It seems as if those on the left side of th plane must have had a pretty good view of the engine fire. Something I am sure the passengers were thinking about during their flight!
 
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:54 am

From what I understand it was a compressor stall, not a fire. The flames we saw were coming from the engine, but it was not on fire. The air decreases as altitude increases so I fail to see how the fire would have raged at a high altitude.
 
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:00 am

Quoting Frequentflykid (Reply 32):
From what I understand it was a compressor stall, not a fire. The flames we saw were coming from the engine, but it was not on fire. The air decreases as altitude increases so I fail to see how the fire would have raged at a high altitude.

If this is so, then why the counselors?
 
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:49 am

It was nice of them to get the counselors but.If you ride on anything mechanical you always have the possibility of a failure of some kind .This is the risk you take.That risk is managed ,in this case by the experience of the Delta crew and the well built A/C by Boeing.
 
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:18 am

There's a video out there of a People Express 747, where an engine fire was taped from just behind the wing by a passenger. Anyone know where we can find a link?

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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:23 am

Quoting Deltaamtrak058 (Reply 10):
OMG.....amazing pics. That was a 763 right? Kudos to the entire flight crew! Trying to keep all the pax calm must have been something! Is that flame coming out of the engine on landing? or is that on t/o. Also does any one know where did they dump the fuel? Thanx in advance! -Delta

It was on take off and you cannot dump fuel with an engine on fire. It would create a visual repeat of the concord.

Great job by the crew and hats off to Delta for excellence!!
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:25 am

I'm trying to imagine the reaction when you inform passengers who weren't aware of the fact that the fuel is stored in the wings.
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:23 pm

An engine fire on takeoff? So what? Keep on flying to the bloody destination!

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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:39 pm

"And after all those warnings about Electronic devices during take off & Landing.

"This whole nightmare was caused by someone using a camcorders!!! "

I knew it.. next time I see someone with a cam corder I"m gonna puncha-size em.....
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Flame outs are fairly common...
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RE: Slide Show Of Engine Fire On Delta 767

Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:54 pm

Quoting PanAmerican (Reply 23):
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't think dumping fuel with an engine fire is such a good idea that would make anyone feel safer... Wouldn't there be a danger of the fuel catching fire and burning its way into the fuel vent and then blow up the tanks?
I know the vent is not right next to the engine, but still that seems like a bad thing to do.

My thoughts exactly!

Thank god everything went OK. Kudos for the pilots!

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