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How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:49 am

For example, United Airlines' last 767-200 is being sent to the boneyard today. Well, obviously somebody has to fly the plane to Victorville (is that where it's going?). How does the flight crew get back from Victorville to go to whichever airport they have to fly from next, or, if they don't have to go anywhere, to their home domicile?
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:56 am

Another plane or a car.
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:00 am

It's a long & hot walk.......  tired 
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:01 am

The preferred mode of transportation in the desert is a camel. If one isnt available, then they have to rely on some form of motorized transport to take them to the nearest airport. The usage of rail-based transport or alternate air transport (such as small aircraft, helicopters) is usually uncommon but may have occured in the past.
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:01 am

They retire the flight crew with the plane don't you know.

I would certainly think they'd have some car or van service shuttle them back to a station where they can catch a plane home.
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:03 am

DesertJets, that's the official story.

In reality the crew is shot and then buried beside the plane Big grin
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:46 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 5):
In reality the crew is shot and then buried beside the plane

That must help cut down on the pension and retirement benefit costs then.
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:53 am

Haven't you seen those TV shows? They convert the plane into a home and retire in it.
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:56 am

Perhaps some airlines or aircraft owners have small jets that that transport the crews back to their base or to a commercial service airport or a local service is hired to do the same. Of course, they may just use a ground transportion service to a commercially served airport. Maybe some hitchhike from there to home or to a nearby airport  Smile

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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:59 am

1) Are their body parts parted out as well???

2) They don't call 'em boneyards for nothing!!!

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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:10 am

Actually, I heard they burried them in the same holes in the desert where mob stoolies are dumped.
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:10 am

Victorville is an hour drive away from the nearest commercial airport, ONT.
I doubt the Southern California Avaition's Aerostar would make it that far.
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:26 am

The crews are driven to a nearby airport and flown home. With VCV, I've heard that crews are driven to LAX (or another SoCal airport).
 
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:35 am

They probably use a NW DC-9 (sorry-couldn`t resist this!)
 
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:46 am

At least twice happened that they made a smaller plane from the available parts, and then flew them successfully out of a desert. The events have been well documented too.
 
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:14 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 5):
In reality the crew is shot and then buried beside the plane

I would rather be buried inside, that way, there is no way they'd try to resurrect either!!
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:39 am

A very good question , SHUPirate. Most pilots refer to their checklists.However , if they forgot to bring their "After Landing,Getting Home From The Desert" checklist,they normally wander around aimlessly until they die,or call Operations for instructions. Pilots can't do anything without a checklist or guidance from Operations. Most can't even tie their shoelaces.
It's quite sad really..
 
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:38 am

My father flew with TWA for 32 years and one of his last flights before retiring was to drop off a 741 at Marana in early 1998.

Once the crew delivered the plane they took a shuttle bus, or limo if you will, to Tuscon (if I'm not mistaken) and flew to STL from there. It's been a while since he told me about this but I can find out the particulars if you want.

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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:51 am

Quoting Ssides

"Haven't you seen those TV shows? They convert the plane into a home and retire in it."

SHUPirate 1This is where trailer parks come from, didn't your parents teach you ANYTHING?? (Lol)

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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:59 am

Quoting A999 (Reply 13):
They probably use a NW DC-9 (sorry-couldn`t resist this!)

That sure is funny since Norway is known for their great Aircraft and great Airlines !!!

UF-DAH !!!! (I grew up around many Norwegian Ski-jumpers!!!)

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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:19 am

A horse with no name????





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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:18 am

I think they get to pick a plane and fly out on that one, assuming it still has engines.

I do agree that they are shot and buried in the plane. UAL and probably US go with this one to cut down on retirement costs.  tombstone 
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:25 am

They get recycled along with the airplane, of course. The plane get turned into another plane, the pilots are recycled as ramp rats.
 
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:09 am

Quoting Biggles (Reply 16):
A very good question , SHUPirate. Most pilots refer to their checklists.However , if they forgot to bring their "After Landing,Getting Home From The Desert" checklist,they normally wander around aimlessly until they die,or call Operations for instructions. Pilots can't do anything without a checklist or guidance from Operations. Most can't even tie their shoelaces.
It's quite sad really..

Funny how I knew you were a dispatcher even before looking at your profile...  Wink

We've dropped some retiring 737-200s at MHV, and a shuttle takes the crew back to BUR or LAX so they can deadhead home, wherever that may be.
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:45 am

Actually they do something very similar to what the guys that deliver trucks, RVs and school buses do - they tow a car! Or if the plane is big enough the load it in the cargo bay and after landing take it out and drive home. They usually get those really cool dune buggies too.

I am sure that Victorville has a shuttle running to ONT or someplace else.

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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:13 pm

FlyMeToTheMoon;
I was thinking of the small plane or dune buggy idea, too {heh heh}

Or, maybe a magic carpet
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:14 pm

haven't you ever seen flight of the phoenix?

that was based on a true story of an airline crew who had to ferry a plane to the desert. they added the back story about the crash for effect.
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:22 pm

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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:28 pm

I've never heard such nonsense: rental cars and vans. They just pack 2 quickies in the belly then fly them home.


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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:30 pm

They take a time machine with them, and after arrivng they go back in time and have to do it all over again. Talk about job security.

Or they could have a transport waiting for them to get back home (either land, air or a combo there of.

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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:58 pm

Like the planes, the pilots are shot, and stripped of their parts (all their organs), which end up on the black market.
 
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:07 pm

BTW, the 741 my father ferried to MZJ was #17107 on it took place on 10/22/97.

After the drop off, the crew took a van service up to PHX, not TUS as I said in my previous post, and from there they flew to STL and finally on to JFK, their home base.

I hope this answers your question SHUPirate1.

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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:12 pm

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Thread starter):
How does the flight crew get back from Victorville to go to whichever airport they have to fly from next, or, if they don't have to go anywhere, to their home domicile

They have to guard the Aircraft for the rest f their lives  Smile
On a Serious note.....Probably be driven to the nearest Airport to Fly Commercial.
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:32 pm

No, no, no! They simply fly another UA aircraft which was in storage (e.g. 772ER, 744) back to its new airline! Its just a big commercial aviation carousel for these pilots.  tongue 
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:12 am

the crew have all their good parts removed (teeth) then their arms and legs are chopped off and they are melted to form another crew.

would the pilot of the last 727 be let go since his plane has been retired?
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:36 am

They fly...but, boy, do their arms get tired....
 
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:45 am

My father ferried a few birds to the varrious desert graveyards when he worked for Boeing. They would sometimes fly them back in a challenger or a king air, other times they would send a van for them.
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:24 am

It's the real world version of "Flight of the Phoenix".

Build a working airplane from parts. Or die.
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:26 pm

Quoting Tod (Reply 11):
Southern California Avaition's Aerostar

Been there done that lol...they also have a 'spiffy' Dodge Caravan that seemed to putt along nicely in that hot desert heat  Silly Do they have an FBO out there now, or not?

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would the pilot of the last 727 be let go since his plane has been retired?

Nope...would have bidded to another aircraft, either higher or lower, depending on his seniority. I know that alot of the DL 727 Capt/FO's went to the 738, 75/76, and their FE's to the 732 (or furloughed by this time!)

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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:40 pm

Quoting Tod (Reply 11):
Victorville is an hour drive away from the nearest commercial airport, ONT.
I doubt the Southern California Avaition's Aerostar would make it that far.

SCA's Aerostar is infamous! If ever in need, we can take them in Van16 (jk).

Seriously, I have taken flight crews to ONT in my own vehicle. Since these were the guys who qualified me on the DC10/MD11 (engine run/taxi), I was only too happy.

Normally, they go via a limo or shuttle van.

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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:44 pm

Quoting Slawko (Reply 20):
A horse with no name????

ROFLMAO!!! Beautiful!! I'm sorry I'm the first to appreciate this one!!
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:58 pm

Actually for some pilots the job of flying a plane into storage can be so tough emotionally, that they receive help from psychologists at the airport where the planes are stored.

On some pictures from storage areas you see open doors on some of the planes. They say it's because they ventilate the cabin once in a while, but it's only part of the truth. Sometimes the doors are open because a pilots is getting relieving massage inside the plane.

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Please notice that one of the flight deck windows is not covered. Reason = therapy!

The trip back to civilization takes plane in an old Airstream like this one.

It's important that skilled pilots who brakes after a "storage flight" return to duty without any wounds on their souls.

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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:03 pm

Your all wrong...
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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:20 am

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Thread starter):
How does the flight crew get back from Victorville to go to whichever airport they have to fly from next, or, if they don't have to go anywhere, to their home domicile?

Aren't they just processed into Soylent Green?  silly 

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RE: How Does A Pilot Get Back From The Desert?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:51 am

Aren't all planes heading towards the boneyard packed with newly laid-off former employees of the airli

But seriously, what the hell kind of a thread is this? Of course pilots are driven from the lot...

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