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Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:51 pm


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Proving once and for all in my opinion the 757 is truly the best a/c around

Happy now Starlionblue?  Wink

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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:56 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):


Proving once and for all the 757 is truly the best a/c around

And how does it prove that? It's a great pic but look around the database and you will find the much maligned 340-300 performing the same feat.
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Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:56 pm

Well they sure do attract the birds.  Wink


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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:56 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
Proving once and for all the 757 is truly the best a/c around

Dude, you need your eyes checked! Thats the space shuttle!  Silly

How I wish I was sitting in that baby!

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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:00 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
Happy now Starlionblue?

Deliriously happy! Big grin LOL!
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:10 pm

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
And how does it prove that? It's a great pic but look around the database and you will find the much maligned 340-300 performing the same feat

This is the best A340 / SXM I could find in the DB...


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As much as I love the A340, I think the 757's got him on take-off performance.

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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:22 pm

That A340 is obviously empty as well  Wink As we all know that the only way an A340 can climb is by using the curve of the world  Wink
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:10 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 5):

As much as I love the A340, I think the 757's got him on take-off performance.

I think the perspective is fooling you. Having said that, yes the 757 performance is no doubt better. After all it is a twin and thus has at least 33% more power to weight ratio all other things being equal,
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:36 pm

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 7):

I think the perspective is fooling you. Having said that, yes the 757 performance is no doubt better. After all it is a twin and thus has at least 33% more power to weight ratio all other things being equal,

I know the perspective is a factor, There's a couple of other pics in the DB with the A340 similar to the B757 above, but with no ground reference. I just thought it would be neat to compare. It's been a long night!  Smile

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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:50 am

I thought MD-80 were Missiles, oh I love those days rocketing at sort of a 60 degree climb kinda from DCA. I always seemed to climb faster in my experience on MD-80 than 757, but some 757 did fast climbs.
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:25 am

Ha, that's nothing. If you ask me, I believe that 757 was performing a standard derated takeoff. Now, if only we could get him to do a full-power takeoff, he could do a loop around any A340 that took off behind him!

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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:20 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 6):
That A340 is obviously empty as well As we all know that the only way an A340 can climb is by using the curve of the world

HA HA That cracked me up!  biggrin 
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:34 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 6):
That A340 is obviously empty as well As we all know that the only way an A340 can climb is by using the curve of the world

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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:38 am

I was on a TWA 757 jumpseat on a ferry flight from MCO to STL. The VSI was pegged until we leveled off at 14,000ft for a few minutes. Now THAT was intense!!!!!!
 
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:44 am

Quoting TrnsWrld (Reply 14):
I was on a TWA 757 jumpseat on a ferry flight from MCO to STL. The VSI was pegged until we leveled off at 14,000ft for a few minutes. Now THAT was intense!!!!!!

Things like that makes me wish I had become a pilot instead of finance...


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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:07 am

Malaysia you are on my respected users list.. When I think sharp takeoffs.. I think MD-83's. I was a major fan of BW's MD-83's in days gone by...

The 757 is quite a powerful bird too, there is no doubt.
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:18 am

Chris took two shoots of AA 757's climb out of SXM that day, I was on one of them. I didn't feel the climbout was any different from any other I have been on.

Amazing shot.


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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:21 am

Whatever the arguement about whichever aircraft is best (again!), this has got to be one the better SXM pics for a few weeks. Low flying shots over the beach get somewhat boriing after a while. This one, however, is a cracker. Gets my vote.

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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:38 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 5):
As much as I love the A340, I think the 757's got him on take-off performance.

Comparing the A340 to the 757 is kind of pointless I'd say. Both are in a different class of A/C.
As for powerful takeoffs, don't forget the Eurowings A319 video.
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:40 am

I think you have pretty much nailed it on the head there Andy,
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:46 am

http://www.airframes.net/misc/CO757_9188.jpg
 
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 4:56 am

Quoting Milan320 (Reply 19):
Comparing the A340 to the 757 is kind of pointless I'd say. Both are in a different class of A/C.
As for powerful takeoffs, don't forget the Eurowings A319 video.
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If this is the A319 video you're talking about, your statement is out of context because after leaving the ground, he built up speed for a long distance over the runway until he initiated the steep climb:

http://www.flightlevel350.com/mirror_download.php?cat=112&pic_id=959

I doubt any scheduled flight has that luxury at SXM!

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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:12 am

I saw an A310-300 (CS-TEH) takeoff today and the first thing to cross my mind was "man that thing jumps off the runway like a 757!"

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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:26 am

Do we really need a posting on this???? The picture speaks for itself....
 
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:29 am

That CO 757 must have been piloted by Al qaeda former students..OMG
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:36 am

I think the 757 was designed with imput from Eastern who needed to take off full out of St Thomas in the summer months. Am I right?
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:40 am

Al Qaeda former students? No, I don't think so...
I am pretty sure they just got CRUISE certified in 757/767s... NOT takeoff or landing!
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:51 am

The A342/3 can take off more impressively than it usually does. It just saves fuel by taking it's time and not rushing it. Can't really knock it for that can ya?
 
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:37 am

As I mentioned in my earlier posts, the 757 has an impressive climb rate. I remember seeing a TU154 take off from DUS last summer, needless to say, it's climb rate would make a 757 blush!

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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:42 am

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 27):
The A342/3 can take off more impressively than it usually does. It just saves fuel by taking it's time and not rushing it. Can't really knock it for that can ya?

Why dont other airlines use this technique with other aircraft then?
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:08 am

Every aircrafts AOA is different on TO for many reasons.....But honeslty...if everyone (even the pee brains on this sit) thought about it for a second, everyone knows that the TO performance of the 757 is like no other commerical jet. Sure the A340 is a great airplane and its TO performance on a normal TO does look weak, if that was the case then AF wouldnt sends its 340's to SXM. You just cant compare the A340's TO performance to the 757. To very different airplanes.

BTW: I that video above from Flightlevel350.com was a 757 doing that, you would see the 757 continuing its climb much higher then that A319 did. You just cant compare those two as well.

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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:09 am

Quoting FutureUALpilot (Reply 29):

They do...

That's precisely what a derated takeoff is, reduced amount of thrust - the engines put out enough to easily power the aircraft through T/O and initial climb, without thrust spillage... I.e overkill on the engines....a la 107.2% N1!

The A/T or Thrust Management Computer calculates an efficient maximum thrust setting based on data from the FMC - I.e, pilot inserted OAT, G/W, etc...

The 757 uses its TMC in various modes - for takeoff, TOGA, TO1 and TO2.

The A340 uses a similar system with its Auto-Thrust system, detents known as TOGA and FLX for takeoff.

Most A340 operators use their metal the cheapest way they can... that is one of its major selling points - pennies!

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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:11 am

Quoting Theredbaron (Reply 24):
That CO 757 must have been piloted by Al qaeda former students..OMG

WTF? I'm pretty sure Al Qaeda "pilots" aren't know for their steep takeoffs.  Yeah sure

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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:06 am

Indeed the 757 is a rocket. I believe it is the only a/c that can climb to full cruise altitude in one go at full weight?
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:13 am

Quoting Bobs89irocz (Reply 30):
I that video above from Flightlevel350.com was a 757 doing that, you would see the 757 continuing its climb much higher then that A319 did. You just cant compare those two as well.

Agreed. The overall climb performance of the 757 may be greater than the A343 or A319 due to the higher thrust-to-weight ratio, but at least you can put that video into the proper context. Any airliner that has enough airspeed to bleed off can initiate a steep climb--as that A319 did--provided that they're not loaded too heavily to overstress the airframe. That was my only point.
 
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:21 am

I prefer the graceful 757 landing.  Wink


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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:43 am

did anyone read my post?
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:00 pm

Sure was, Chgolfyer.

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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:42 pm

The EA birds have made it all over the globe, most of them are now with US Airways and America West Airlines. I consider it a testament to how great the 757 is. These birds got a second lease on life after leaving Eastern, and are day after day still rocketing off to paradise with a plane full of American tourists and their baggage or doing PHX-LAS shuttle flights fully loaded in the scorching heat and/or hot-high PHX/LAS transcons. Gotta love it.

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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:51 am

I have flown a lot of 757s and truely TWA 757s were probably the best. I have flown on all of AWAs 757s and they are getting old but are still flying very strong on those RR engines. My 3 year old son is crazy about 757s more than any other airplane out there..I wonder where he gets that from Smile

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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:39 am

The RB211 is the greatest engine out there of its class... odd, considering its debut nearly killed off Lockheed and Rolls Royce combined.

I'd like to see an RB211-535 powered A321... (with a redesigned wing, naturally.)
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:16 am

Quoting Henny (Reply 40):
I'd like to see an RB211-535 powered A321

A lot of the experience of the RB211 was used to design and build the V2500 engine with IAE, especially the composite fan blade technology which RR pioneered with the earlier Conway and then the RB211.
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:19 am

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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:34 am

Wow.. that pic is intence. A definite great. The 757 is truely an amazing bird. I've only had a few chances to fly her- but I've loved every ride.  Smile
 
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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:25 am

Guys,

Thanks, that's my photo!

To all of you bickering about the A340 performing the same feet, I think you'll find this climb rate slightly less than that of the above.

This shot was taken from the same exact location one day later.



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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:31 am

Quoting Erikr (Reply 35):
I prefer the graceful 757 landing.



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RE: Immense 757 Pic From SXM!

Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:21 am

I think everyone knows that the A340 has no climb rate aginst the 757s
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